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Quote from: Flexystar on June 23, 2023, 11:30:42 AM

I say that is a big no. ChatGPT can do magics and yes we have seen that already. But ChatGPT going inside the gambling site doesn’t feel right. I am not saying it can not win the house but what I am saying is, ChatGPT opening those doors is bit unethical. I don’t like that idea and it takes all the fun out of it. Gambling is not just Money Making machine but more than. You have fun with it, you lose, you win, you bet on favourite sports and much more.

Imagine every other person running ChatGPT through the casinos and expecting them to win every game. How would Casino survive through it and how do you think it can make money for them? First thing they will do is shut their door forever. Lolz

What can chatgpt does? Can it do contrary to what it is not programmed to do? With time, chatgpt might not be able to win the house some also casinos are building there own artificial intelligence to fight against any attempt by players to cheat the casino.
As technology is flying like a current of an ocean, the same way scammers, hackers, project teams are looking for a safe way to keep the community and programmes vulnerable to bugs and cheaters.

This are growing fast and I know that chatgpt is going to be upgraded to a level that will work like a magic but that doesn't mean that other people in different fields are not working to protect themselves from becoming victims of scammers.

So far, what I know is that using ChatGpt is only for viewing statistics, but it cannot be used to choose an option, let alone a bet, such as for example football sports betting, ChatGpt cannot predict who will win, but it can provide an analysis of the strengths of the two clubs so that one cannot choose one club. which one needs to be at stake because in this case ChatGPT was not created to predict the future.

I often use Chatgpt but it's never useful to help me in betting sports betting let alone beat the house in gambling, it's obviously very difficult in my opinion it's almost impossible for me to even beat the casino because of course they have anticipated this technology to overcome users using Chatgpt to beat the house but in the end the House will always win.

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I also think AI casinos will hinder big wins because the advanced capabilities of AI are definitely changing the online gaming world for the better. This technology makes website performance more efficient and more secure than ever before. But remember, AI can never replace human intelligence. So, if you think human support at the best online casinos is going anywhere, think twice. Casino games depend on luck and do not help gamblers to win games.

Yes, casinos will hinder gamblers who want to get big wins in various ways, especially gamblers who use AI. Casinos don't want to lose too much from gamblers using AI, and that may be the reason for casinos use AI to keep those gamblers at bay. AI technology will continue to develop, making casinos aware of it and implementing better security or systems so they can continue to run their business. And yes, we should be careful if the casino has started implementing AI in its system because our chances of winning can be reduced, especially with the presence of AI.

Don't misunderstand what I'm about to say.
All I know so far is that as long as the gambler has a way to gain an advantage or beat the casino, I think the casino will have a way to counteract all of those ways and AI is one of them.
I think the casino has used AI for security I'm not sure if it will affect the winnings we will get.
Because the casino uses this AI only for system security, it will not affect the winning luck that we will get, that is much different.

Influencing or not influencing, we will not know because all we know is that playing gambling requires luck so we can win. And if we lose, we can't blame the casino, but it's because our luck didn't come when we gambled. AI will continue to improve. That's all we know for now. But what it looks like and how we can implement it will depend on the developers developing it. And if AI can really help gamblers win from the casino, it will make many gamblers want to try it. But don't expect those methods to continue working because casinos will use almost the same devices to hold back gamblers.

Developers creating something that would be helping out gamblers on winning up against casinos? Those devs would be shut down. Grin

but well we do know that this is something that cant be possible because if

it happens then gambling industry would really be in huge decline if we do speak about overall revenue since it had been created to be milked out and its not business anymore but rather it would be a charity
if ever that there some AI related kind of strategy that would work against them.This is why it is really that impossible that we would really be reaching out on this kind of certain state because
no matter how it would progress, there's no way that it would really be used against casinos or certain industries just for the benefit or advantage of its users.

It would be having some benefits but not on the sense on this way but rather when it comes to functionality from the site or platform itself in speaking about AI.

Perhaps, a downturn in the gambling industry could happen until the casinos can hold back gamblers from winning with programs or systems that use AI. And it will be like that, so there will be a time when the gambling industry will rise again because they managed to stabilize things. Gamblers may also look for other ways to win, and perhaps, they will look for more advanced AI. Both parties will probably benefit from the presence of this AI so that they will use it more often in the future.

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Quote from: paxmao on June 23, 2023, 04:08:31 PM

In the context of gambling, while AI can calculate historical data and stories to make preditions, the outcome of ganes of chance is inherently uncertain. Even with advanced maths and machine learning techniques, there is always a degree of uncertainty and randomnes involved. So overall, AI can certainly improve the odds or help make decisions, but it cannot eliminate the risk altogether.

True, it's similar to a guide. In the end, it all comes down to luck. AI will undoubtedly make life easier in the future, but not to the level that earning money, particularly in gambling, can increase the probability of winning over the probability of losing. I don't think casinos would remain still if someone can create an AI like that. Of course, they will create a smarter AI to oppose an AI coz if not casinos will cease to exist which is surely impossible.

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In the context of gambling, while AI can calculate historical data and stories to make preditions, the outcome of ganes of chance is inherently uncertain. Even with advanced maths and machine learning techniques, there is always a degree of uncertainty and randomnes involved. So overall, AI can certainly improve the odds or help make decisions, but it cannot eliminate the risk altogether.

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Quote from: Flexystar on June 23, 2023, 11:30:42 AM

I say that is a big no. ChatGPT can do magics and yes we have seen that already. But ChatGPT going inside the gambling site doesn’t feel right. I am not saying it can not win the house but what I am saying is, ChatGPT opening those doors is bit unethical. I don’t like that idea and it takes all the fun out of it. Gambling is not just Money Making machine but more than. You have fun with it, you lose, you win, you bet on favourite sports and much more.

Imagine every other person running ChatGPT through the casinos and expecting them to win every game. How would Casino survive through it and how do you think it can make money for them? First thing they will do is shut their door forever. Lolz

What can chatgpt does? Can it do contrary to what it is not programmed to do? With time, chatgpt might not be able to win the house some also casinos are building there own artificial intelligence to fight against any attempt by players to cheat the casino.
As technology is flying like a current of an ocean, the same way scammers, hackers, project teams are looking for a safe way to keep the community and programmes vulnerable to bugs and cheaters.

This are growing fast and I know that chatgpt is going to be upgraded to a level that will work like a magic but that doesn't mean that other people in different fields are not working to protect themselves from becoming victims of scammers.

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I also think AI casinos will hinder big wins because the advanced capabilities of AI are definitely changing the online gaming world for the better. This technology makes website performance more efficient and more secure than ever before. But remember, AI can never replace human intelligence. So, if you think human support at the best online casinos is going anywhere, think twice. Casino games depend on luck and do not help gamblers to win games.

Yes, casinos will hinder gamblers who want to get big wins in various ways, especially gamblers who use AI. Casinos don't want to lose too much from gamblers using AI, and that may be the reason for casinos use AI to keep those gamblers at bay. AI technology will continue to develop, making casinos aware of it and implementing better security or systems so they can continue to run their business. And yes, we should be careful if the casino has started implementing AI in its system because our chances of winning can be reduced, especially with the presence of AI.

Don't misunderstand what I'm about to say.
All I know so far is that as long as the gambler has a way to gain an advantage or beat the casino, I think the casino will have a way to counteract all of those ways and AI is one of them.
I think the casino has used AI for security I'm not sure if it will affect the winnings we will get.
Because the casino uses this AI only for system security, it will not affect the winning luck that we will get, that is much different.

Influencing or not influencing, we will not know because all we know is that playing gambling requires luck so we can win. And if we lose, we can't blame the casino, but it's because our luck didn't come when we gambled. AI will continue to improve. That's all we know for now. But what it looks like and how we can implement it will depend on the developers developing it. And if AI can really help gamblers win from the casino, it will make many gamblers want to try it. But don't expect those methods to continue working because casinos will use almost the same devices to hold back gamblers.

Developers creating something that would be helping out gamblers on winning up against casinos? Those devs would be shut down. Grin

but well we do know that this is something that cant be possible because if

it happens then gambling industry would really be in huge decline if we do speak about overall revenue since it had been created to be milked out and its not business anymore but rather it would be a charity
if ever that there some AI related kind of strategy that would work against them.This is why it is really that impossible that we would really be reaching out on this kind of certain state because
no matter how it would progress, there's no way that it would really be used against casinos or certain industries just for the benefit or advantage of its users.

It would be having some benefits but not on the sense on this way but rather when it comes to functionality from the site or platform itself in speaking about AI.

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AI will no longer take away everyone's jobs, AI will help companies reduce the number of inactive employees by doing that work through AI. Using AI properly requires expertise.

As a result, AI is also creating jobs for many more people, and those who can use AI properly can take advantage of that opportunity. So everything has two sides, good and bad. The actual results will depend on who is using it in what way.

You can say this for now because you still have your job but you will regret it once you found out that you got lay off because of these AI's. AI are still starting and there are more to come from them so it would be better if we shouldn't be confident for a while but if they can do a bad thing, maybe they can also do some great things like they can now accurately predict in terms of betting. Just use them and make more money than the job that you lost.

I think AI isn't that hard to use especially for those who are computer literate or techy person but they can also become more user-friendly later on because their goal is to be accessed by many people and to become popular.

I know AI is coming and I know AI can take my job. So why should I sit down after knowing such a terrible prophecy instead of changing myself? If I don't change myself, it's my failure, even if I lose my job, I won't have anything to do. My point is, we should engage ourselves with AI based technologies now and gain experience using AI. Because AI experts are needed to get the best output using AI. If AI can give accurate betting predictions then why wouldn't I use it to make money from gambling? If I can use the AI correctly then at the end of the day I will win. So I am preparing myself from my side, everyone may have different perspective here.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 12, 2023, 05:13:28 AM

We are seeing more and more projects that are almost 100% built on Artificial Intelligence, like ChatGPT. Here are a few experiments that are linked between ChatGPT and gambling....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDthta5sUGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3pc-47weg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYegYNkwjR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFrI6cLD0E

Do you think AI will be more successful to get a working gambling strategy to win the house... and if they do, what will be the impact on casinos?

AI is an intelligent algorithm that work based on data, this means that AI is not at liberty to function outside the data it is presented with. The human brain functions differently, in that it adapts to changes and responds in a manner that suits its benefits. Playing a game, using AI can not be compared to the human brain except the game is not, at will, allows for improvising. I do not see the possibility of AI projects winning dynamic games but it'll be great with static games.

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Quote from: Negotiation on June 19, 2023, 08:40:40 AM

I also think AI casinos will hinder big wins because the advanced capabilities of AI are definitely changing the online gaming world for the better. This technology makes website performance more efficient and more secure than ever before. But remember, AI can never replace human intelligence. So, if you think human support at the best online casinos is going anywhere, think twice. Casino games depend on luck and do not help gamblers to win games.

Yes, casinos will hinder gamblers who want to get big wins in various ways, especially gamblers who use AI. Casinos don't want to lose too much from gamblers using AI, and that may be the reason for casinos use AI to keep those gamblers at bay. AI technology will continue to develop, making casinos aware of it and implementing better security or systems so they can continue to run their business. And yes, we should be careful if the casino has started implementing AI in its system because our chances of winning can be reduced, especially with the presence of AI.

Don't misunderstand what I'm about to say.
All I know so far is that as long as the gambler has a way to gain an advantage or beat the casino, I think the casino will have a way to counteract all of those ways and AI is one of them.
I think the casino has used AI for security I'm not sure if it will affect the winnings we will get.
Because the casino uses this AI only for system security, it will not affect the winning luck that we will get, that is much different.

Influencing or not influencing, we will not know because all we know is that playing gambling requires luck so we can win. And if we lose, we can't blame the casino, but it's because our luck didn't come when we gambled. AI will continue to improve. That's all we know for now. But what it looks like and how we can implement it will depend on the developers developing it. And if AI can really help gamblers win from the casino, it will make many gamblers want to try it. But don't expect those methods to continue working because casinos will use almost the same devices to hold back gamblers.

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I say that is a big no. ChatGPT can do magics and yes we have seen that already. But ChatGPT going inside the gambling site doesn’t feel right. I am not saying it can not win the house but what I am saying is, ChatGPT opening those doors is bit unethical. I don’t like that idea and it takes all the fun out of it. Gambling is not just Money Making machine but more than. You have fun with it, you lose, you win, you bet on favourite sports and much more.

Imagine every other person running ChatGPT through the casinos and expecting them to win every game. How would Casino survive through it and how do you think it can make money for them? First thing they will do is shut their door forever. Lolz

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By using AI, data can be collected very easily on all subjects. Especially when a person makes special predictions before gambling but his predictions are not 100% correct but mostly wrong. I think also if something is predicted by AI it is not completely correct most of the times it gives wrong advice. Although AI can calculate faster and more than humans in all things in short time for which people get many benefits using it. However, if casino platforms are forced to make accurate predictions by AI, gambling platforms would surely be destroyed. In that case, if you use AI, there will be no chance of losing, eventually gambling platforms will lose all their money and later scam their gambling platforms. So I think it is not correct to make such predictions by AI and casino platforms will continue to operate as they are currently.

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Quote from: maydna on June 22, 2023, 07:43:30 AM

Quote from: Negotiation on June 19, 2023, 08:40:40 AM

I also think AI casinos will hinder big wins because the advanced capabilities of AI are definitely changing the online gaming world for the better. This technology makes website performance more efficient and more secure than ever before. But remember, AI can never replace human intelligence. So, if you think human support at the best online casinos is going anywhere, think twice. Casino games depend on luck and do not help gamblers to win games.

Yes, casinos will hinder gamblers who want to get big wins in various ways, especially gamblers who use AI. Casinos don't want to lose too much from gamblers using AI, and that may be the reason for casinos use AI to keep those gamblers at bay. AI technology will continue to develop, making casinos aware of it and implementing better security or systems so they can continue to run their business. And yes, we should be careful if the casino has started implementing AI in its system because our chances of winning can be reduced, especially with the presence of AI.

Don't misunderstand what I'm about to say.
All I know so far is that as long as the gambler has a way to gain an advantage or beat the casino, I think the casino will have a way to counteract all of those ways and AI is one of them.
I think the casino has used AI for security I'm not sure if it will affect the winnings we will get.
Because the casino uses this AI only for system security, it will not affect the winning luck that we will get, that is much different.

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I don't think AI can beat the house, it's just a program and AFAIK casinos don't allow their gamblers to use such robots or bots, so AI is fall in this category. If you're really on AI to beat the house and you can make an easy money, you're wrong because gambling is full of luck. If the result isn't like your expectation, you will be angry and you're want to recover your losses, in the end you will lose all of your money.

I think the same, the luck based aspect of gambling will make it impossible for the AI to create winning strategies against the casino. The only real chance the AI has is to find imperfections in the games that they could exploit. The problem is that the casino will likely find it out quickly and correct any mistakes in their games. The casino relies on making money and should realize quickly if a few gamblers always win and take large winnings out of the casino. It shouldn't take long for the casino to identify AI as the programs behind the winners and try to ban them. The casino needs money to operate and pay the bills, without it they wouldn't exist. That's why we can't have all gamblers use AI to beat the casino.

I think it is not just the luck part, it's the fact that house has the advantage of "house edge" which means that you do not earn as much as you lose on the same bet, so you need to be always one ahead in order to be winning. I know that AI could at least remove the emotions so it could have "better" results, but just because it's better than me, doesn't mean it will be a profit.

Like I always say, a gambler could have a session where they win, a day, a week, or even a month, but as long as you keep on gambling there is no way that you would ever be able to make a profit on the long run. This won't change with AI, it's going to be pretty obvious that people will end up losing money over course of long periods and there is no way around it.

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Quote from: Negotiation on June 19, 2023, 08:40:40 AM

I also think AI casinos will hinder big wins because the advanced capabilities of AI are definitely changing the online gaming world for the better. This technology makes website performance more efficient and more secure than ever before. But remember, AI can never replace human intelligence. So, if you think human support at the best online casinos is going anywhere, think twice. Casino games depend on luck and do not help gamblers to win games.

Yes, casinos will hinder gamblers who want to get big wins in various ways, especially gamblers who use AI. Casinos don't want to lose too much from gamblers using AI, and that may be the reason for casinos use AI to keep those gamblers at bay. AI technology will continue to develop, making casinos aware of it and implementing better security or systems so they can continue to run their business. And yes, we should be careful if the casino has started implementing AI in its system because our chances of winning can be reduced, especially with the presence of AI.

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Quote from: Helena Yu on June 04, 2023, 09:44:07 AM

I don't think AI can beat the house, it's just a program and AFAIK casinos don't allow their gamblers to use such robots or bots, so AI is fall in this category. If you're really on AI to beat the house and you can make an easy money, you're wrong because gambling is full of luck. If the result isn't like your expectation, you will be angry and you're want to recover your losses, in the end you will lose all of your money.

I think the same, the luck based aspect of gambling will make it impossible for the AI to create winning strategies against the casino. The only real chance the AI has is to find imperfections in the games that they could exploit. The problem is that the casino will likely find it out quickly and correct any mistakes in their games. The casino relies on making money and should realize quickly if a few gamblers always win and take large winnings out of the casino. It shouldn't take long for the casino to identify AI as the programs behind the winners and try to ban them. The casino needs money to operate and pay the bills, without it they wouldn't exist. That's why we can't have all gamblers use AI to beat the casino.

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Quote from: ScamViruS on June 18, 2023, 11:38:17 AM

AI will no longer take away everyone's jobs, AI will help companies reduce the number of inactive employees by doing that work through AI. Using AI properly requires expertise.

As a result, AI is also creating jobs for many more people, and those who can use AI properly can take advantage of that opportunity. So everything has two sides, good and bad. The actual results will depend on who is using it in what way.

You can say this for now because you still have your job but you will regret it once you found out that you got lay off because of these AI's. AI are still starting and there are more to come from them so it would be better if we shouldn't be confident for a while but if they can do a bad thing, maybe they can also do some great things like they can now accurately predict in terms of betting. Just use them and make more money than the job that you lost.

I think AI isn't that hard to use especially for those who are computer literate or techy person but they can also become more user-friendly later on because their goal is to be accessed by many people and to become popular.

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Artificial Intelligence will replace lazy and useless humans who can't do their work with perfection or even if they do it, they take way more time than required for a specific task, if companies can get work done more efficiently that too at a less price with an AI model, why would they pay a higher amount to a human that will waste the money and the time as well?

Humans with brains and efficiency in their work will never get replaced by AI or anything, if you know how to get things done, you don't need to worry because AI is not coming for you and you will always have one way or another to find some work because you are useful.

You`re right a lot, but there is one moment that makes me sure that the AI don`t ready to win humans yet. The AI works as the human says. And it can`t improvise. So in the standard situation the AI wins 100% but when you have to decide fast and the decision must surprise your opponent - the AI can`t be better than human. At least nowadays.

The area of improvising is what and where humans will continue to take the lead regardless of whether the entire world is overtaken by Ai's, human beings are unique in nature, and though something can be built to look, act and behave like human, the truth remains that Ai will always be Ai and humans will always be humans, everything God created on His own is perfect and unique in their ways, and can't be replicated, no matter how hard we try.

For example, an Ai will always require an update to it's software to change and behave in a new way, and when that behavior pattern needs to change, an update to it's software will need to be done again, but for humans, this ability is just natural, as it is very possible for a man to put up different behaviors in a single day, this ability can give humans the ability to remain the best in gambling, even with the presents of Ai's every where.

In the games where 2 or more players makes their turns - and one of them(at least) is AI - the AI can lose due to the human improvisation. But in the sport bets the AI will work with the statistics and i sure that AI will has winrate higher than a human can has. May be in live bets the gambler can understand that the game is going not like the statistics says.
So in some situations we can use AI, but sometimes the gambler still better.

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Quote from: maydna on June 05, 2023, 11:50:05 AM

Quote from: Helena Yu on June 04, 2023, 09:44:07 AM

I don't think AI can beat the house, it's just a program and AFAIK casinos don't allow their gamblers to use such robots or bots, so AI is fall in this category. If you're really on AI to beat the house and you can make an easy money, you're wrong because gambling is full of luck. If the result isn't like your expectation, you will be angry and you're want to recover your losses, in the end you will lose all of your money.

AI can beat casinos, especially if casinos haven't implemented AI for their business, so there is an opportunity for gamblers to win by using AI. But if the casino has implemented AI in its business, it will be difficult for gamblers to win the game because the casino will not let the gamblers win easily using AI. And the casinos will be able to spot gamblers using AI and might even penalize them so that those gamblers can't get big wins. We have to rethink if the casino has used AI to restrain or not let the gamblers win. No matter what, the casino will not let gamblers take their money from the casino.

I also think AI casinos will hinder big wins because the advanced capabilities of AI are definitely changing the online gaming world for the better. This technology makes website performance more efficient and more secure than ever before. But remember, AI can never replace human intelligence. So, if you think human support at the best online casinos is going anywhere, think twice. Casino games depend on luck and do not help gamblers to win games.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on June 12, 2023, 11:32:04 PM

Artificial Intelligence will replace lazy and useless humans who can't do their work with perfection or even if they do it, they take way more time than required for a specific task, if companies can get work done more efficiently that too at a less price with an AI model, why would they pay a higher amount to a human that will waste the money and the time as well?

People are promoting AI in a way that is a little bit further away from reality. Employees who were useless but the company had no other option to retain them. Now AI has come to relieve the company from such difficulties. Those who are smart enough are arranging their new jobs by using this AI, because it requires professional AI experts to do the best job using AI. So those who can change themselves with time, no one can take away their jobs.

That is the exact point, if you don't want an AI to replace you, you need to start utilizing an AI to improve your work and what you do so that you are taken as a good and responsible worker who doesn't deserve to be replaced because he isn't up to the task. AI is just an invention by humans for humans, it is not actually created so that it can replace humans in workplaces, but if you can't make good use of it, you will be considered outdated.

I don't know why people are dragging AI into gambling for no reason, it is not something created for people to be used for their gambling activities, if a platform utilizes the technology for the betterment of their services, that's a different thing, but AI is not something to be used for gambling as a gambler.

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Quote from: abel1337 on June 18, 2023, 11:48:59 AM

Quote from: ScamViruS on June 18, 2023, 11:38:17 AM

I completely agree with you. It is certain that there are jobs that will be replaced by AI. It will all depends on the people or company who will be using it on how they will utilize our current technology. For now as we are growing in a world that is currently developing AI, there are jobs that are borned but is very limited, we can see jobs in like analyzing if it is a job that AI did based on output and prompt engineers who masters at giving prompts or teaching AI. Casinos should be ready when AI as it's full blown, I'm certain that it will be used against them.

But HOW ai would be used against the casinos? Beating the house would mean it would beat the mathematics behind house edge itself. The edge is designed to make money,
Slots should be obvious that you can't "win" them by counting. And even with backjack, from what i know there are already systems in place to prevent cad counting teams.

If you are talking about sports betting, if majority of people started winning via bots, soon they wouldn't be even worth the risk to play as winnings would be so low.
If you are talking about the poker games, players would be scamming each other, not the house.

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