Hufflepuff Making 2k BTC On PrimeDice Nov 2014. March 2015 Update: He Cheated - page 2.

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Quote from: Coef on August 06, 2015, 10:42:19 PM

Quote from: bitcollins85 on August 06, 2015, 09:56:23 PM

PD should have booted this guy immediately on day 1, claiming they felt he was scamming the system. Sure, pay him out, but don't let him keep betting.

How can PD stop him from betting?
Sure Stunna can ban the account or even ban the whole IP range after paying him, but Hufflepuff could simply register a new account within a minute using VPN or proxy or Tor (pretty sure he was using such measure since the very beginning).

The only thing PD could do, is to double check the system to find out the bug and fix it.

but such luck should be a big flag that the user is using some kind of exploit.

they should delay the withdraw with the excuse that access the cold wallet is hard due to security measures and put all efforts to find the bug

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Quote from: bitcollins85 on August 06, 2015, 09:56:23 PM

PD should have booted this guy immediately on day 1, claiming they felt he was scamming the system. Sure, pay him out, but don't let him keep betting.

Unfortunately, you can't really stop bets like that. If they're a legitimate whale who happened to get very lucky, you'll just burn a great relation and a lot of chance to make your money back. On the other hand, if it's someone exploiting the game, they'll just be back on another account, on another ip address, hidden amongst the thousands of other players. This will only make it harder to monitor the person and try figure out how they are exploiting you.

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Quote from: bitcollins85 on August 06, 2015, 09:56:23 PM

PD should have booted this guy immediately on day 1, claiming they felt he was scamming the system. Sure, pay him out, but don't let him keep betting.

How can PD stop him from betting?
Sure Stunna can ban the account or even ban the whole IP range after paying him, but Hufflepuff could simply register a new account within a minute using VPN or proxy or Tor (pretty sure he was using such measure since the very beginning).

The only thing PD could do, is to double check the system to find out the bug and fix it.

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Quote from: Buziss on August 05, 2015, 03:39:19 AM

Quote from: FrozenOne on August 05, 2015, 03:28:24 AM

Stunna loses a million dollars and just shrugs it off. Rich niggas...man. That is awesome.

Don't worry about Stunna.
Primedice has over 1.1 million btc wagered in total and the number is increasing by 1k+ every day, which translates to 11k positive EV and 10 additional every day.

Amazing the volume.
Why people continue to have eureka moments as they "discover" martingale still cracks me up. My idiot real life friends do it all the time.

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PD should have booted this guy immediately on day 1, claiming they felt he was scamming the system. Sure, pay him out, but don't let him keep betting.

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Quote from: Aleator on August 06, 2015, 07:15:02 PM

Tough, the question stays , how can you check it?

Yes some of you know how to do it but most of us are like "what the hell does it mean to look up 1k next rolls? How does one even do that" Cheesy

That's the easy part, and intrinsic to how provably fair works. Let's say we know the server seed is "moAQKPIMiPI23Eg", you get to pick your own client seed (lets use "my_seed") and from that we can deterministically generate all future rolls. Here are the first 100:

http://dicesites.com/primedice/verifier?ss=moAQKPIMiPI23Eg&cs=my_seed&ln=100&n=0&ssh=A7B8301BBF0E2ADBFE00636443D5570146478D62E1F57437892BD2FB94ED45C8

Now, the only tricky thing is to not look too obvious ;d

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Tough, the question stays , how can you check it?

Yes some of you know how to do it but most of us are like "what the hell does it mean to look up 1k next rolls? How does one even do that" Cheesy

Sometimes I am surprised that I am using the same technology everyday with you guys , whenever I want to feel old I come in here and see what people can accomplish with computers and marvel at it feeling like 80 year old grandpa that cant press green button of the simple phone to talk with someone.

Hufflepuff looking at the seed , knowing whats ahead , checking it , using auto bet calculating his winnings and getting to 2k that way makes me feel like that old man. I wouldn't be able to do what he did even if I knew there was a bug like that.

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Quote from: Monopoly on August 06, 2015, 05:43:50 AM

This seed is prepared on account or it generates instantly ? I think , It comes instantly at every moment not prepared . if it's not true how many of them are prepared ? 1K , 10K 100K 1 million ?

Research it. The seed only changes when you ask for it to change. You can make thousands of rolls with the same seed.

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Quote from: dooglus on August 03, 2015, 06:26:32 PM

Quote from: Monopoly on August 03, 2015, 06:08:49 PM

I saw video that released by Hufflepuff ..... it seems everything was okay ..... he used automatic betting of site ... if we assume he could find server seed the question is how automatic betting could help him ?
I think , if you know server seed , you need manual betting for getting won ......

If you know your seed, you can look ahead at the next 1000 rolls, count how many are <49.5 or >50.5. If you find either count is >500 then you can flat-bet and come out ahead without it looking suspicious.

This seed is prepared on account or it generates instantly ? I think , It comes instantly at every moment not prepared . if it's not true how many of them are prepared ? 1K , 10K 100K 1 million ?

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Quote from: FrozenOne on August 05, 2015, 03:28:24 AM

Stunna loses a million dollars and just shrugs it off. Rich niggas...man. That is awesome.

Don't worry about Stunna.
Primedice has over 1.1 million btc wagered in total and the number is increasing by 1k+ every day, which translates to 11k positive EV and 10 additional every day.

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Stunna loses a million dollars and just shrugs it off. Rich niggas...man. That is awesome.

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Quote from: Slark on August 04, 2015, 07:54:27 AM

Quote from: mookid on August 03, 2015, 11:22:32 PM

Has anything like this happened in recent times again?

I wish to know that too. I like to know if security system of online casinos have been compromised. AFAIK there wasn't any huge indecent as HUfflepuff's.
And I want to ask: how it is possible for junior member to have an avatar? I thought avatars are only available for full members?
Edit: Ah, I see - it is from the old days - back before avatars were blocked by forum.

Yes, my account dates from 2012. I didn't use the forum in all those years, but since the economy of my country is a mess, and salaries are too low here, im trying to raise my activity level to enroll on a signature campaign. 0.08 BTC it's worth a month's minimun wage here. Or about 20$.

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Quote from: mookid on August 03, 2015, 11:22:32 PM

Has anything like this happened in recent times again?

I still think there would still be exploits on new online casinos.
I believe these people are waiting for their chance to cheat online casinos of their bankroll again.

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Quote from: mookid on August 03, 2015, 11:22:32 PM

Has anything like this happened in recent times again?

I wish to know that too. I like to know if security system of online casinos have been compromised. AFAIK there wasn't any huge indecent as HUfflepuff's.
And I want to ask: how it is possible for junior member to have an avatar? I thought avatars are only available for full members?
Edit: Ah, I see - it is from the old days - back before avatars were blocked by forum.

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Quote from: mookid on August 03, 2015, 11:22:32 PM

Has anything like this happened in recent times again?

No, the recent happenings were glitches and bugs, the owner or developers were confident enough on their codes.. so they ignored about some users claiming that they found a way to have some advantage and was exactly true.. lol

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Has anything like this happened in recent times again?

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Quote from: Enzyme on August 03, 2015, 10:49:08 PM

If this can happen on PrimeDice, I wonder what other websites can be exploited...

The exploit was specifically unique to PD. The exploit was technically unique in that it was possible on PD3, but not possible on PD2, and would not be possible on any site that uses a provably fair system similar to PD2.

I would think that hufflepuff would look for similar exploits on other gambling sites as if they were available, the payout would be quite large.

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If this can happen on PrimeDice, I wonder what other websites can be exploited...

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Quote from: Monopoly on August 03, 2015, 06:08:49 PM

I saw video that released by Hufflepuff ..... it seems everything was okay ..... he used automatic betting of site ... if we assume he could find server seed the question is how automatic betting could help him ?
I think , if you know server seed , you need manual betting for getting won ......

If you know your seed, you can look ahead at the next 1000 rolls, count how many are <49.5 or >50.5. If you find either count is >500 then you can flat-bet and come out ahead without it looking suspicious.

Or you could look ahead 1000 bets and see what the longest losing streak is, and then set the auto-bet to bet such that you can survive a streak of that length. If you know the longest losing streak is 6, and the max bet is 20 BTC, then you know you can start at 0.3125 BTC and double on loss without running out of room. Your losing streak will look like -0.3125, -0.625, -1.25, -2.5, -5, -10, +20.

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I saw video that released by Hufflepuff ..... it seems everything was okay ..... he used automatic betting of site ... if we assume he could find server seed the question is how automatic betting could help him ?
I think , if you know server seed , you need manual betting for getting won ......

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