Topic: Hufflepuff Making 2k BTC On PrimeDice Nov 2014. March 2015 Update: He Cheated - page 8. (Read 50029 times)

Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 03:57:41 AM

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

Almost 0 doesnt mean that it is imposible because there is still a posibillity for that. He might have been lucky enough to notice it and exploit it further. Although this all is a pure speculations and theories on how he did it, it hasnt been proven yet that two account rolling with the same seed could generate the same server seed.

Actually it still is pretty much impossible. Apart from seeds matching, we are also saying that someone happened to have seen the seeds and compared them. And I think Stunna did say it was a flaw he took advantage of.

Well every is a theory and impossible until it is proven so and we had no idea on how he did this so what we are doing right now are speculating on something that might come to sense.
The flaw could mean anything, more interesting is that on how he was able to find that there is such flaw that will reveal the seed on the site

Quote from: David19 on May 10, 2015, 10:15:05 AM

I can 100% guarantee that is not possible. When seed is generated the same seed can not be generated on another account, its impossible. My best guess is he duplicated 2 same accounts and thats how he got a hold of same seed.

By what you meant as duplicated account , do you mean that he have 2 account with the same username? I dont think this is kinda possible because each sites got their own system restriction whenever someone is trying to register with the same username though

I think hufflepuff somehow duplicated same UID on 2 different accounts and therefor he was able to reveal the seed on 1 without affecting the other one

Still not possible to have two account with the same UID though. Well if this is the case then he would have done it by keep on sending request to the server to make a new account but it will need a constant retry of doing this and not to mention the near zero possibilities of creating it

not if the 2 accounts were created same time

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Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 09:52:36 AM

Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 03:57:41 AM

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

Almost 0 doesnt mean that it is imposible because there is still a posibillity for that. He might have been lucky enough to notice it and exploit it further. Although this all is a pure speculations and theories on how he did it, it hasnt been proven yet that two account rolling with the same seed could generate the same server seed.

Actually it still is pretty much impossible. Apart from seeds matching, we are also saying that someone happened to have seen the seeds and compared them. And I think Stunna did say it was a flaw he took advantage of.

Well every is a theory and impossible until it is proven so and we had no idea on how he did this so what we are doing right now are speculating on something that might come to sense.
The flaw could mean anything, more interesting is that on how he was able to find that there is such flaw that will reveal the seed on the site

Quote from: arallmuus on May 10, 2015, 10:09:14 AM

I can 100% guarantee that is not possible. When seed is generated the same seed can not be generated on another account, its impossible. My best guess is he duplicated 2 same accounts and thats how he got a hold of same seed.

By what you meant as duplicated account , do you mean that he have 2 account with the same username? I dont think this is kinda possible because each sites got their own system restriction whenever someone is trying to register with the same username though

I think hufflepuff somehow duplicated same UID on 2 different accounts and therefor he was able to reveal the seed on 1 without affecting the other one

Still not possible to have two account with the same UID though. Well if this is the case then he would have done it by keep on sending request to the server to make a new account but it will need a constant retry of doing this and not to mention the near zero possibilities of creating it

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Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 09:52:36 AM

Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 03:57:41 AM

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

Almost 0 doesnt mean that it is imposible because there is still a posibillity for that. He might have been lucky enough to notice it and exploit it further. Although this all is a pure speculations and theories on how he did it, it hasnt been proven yet that two account rolling with the same seed could generate the same server seed.

Actually it still is pretty much impossible. Apart from seeds matching, we are also saying that someone happened to have seen the seeds and compared them. And I think Stunna did say it was a flaw he took advantage of.

Well every is a theory and impossible until it is proven so and we had no idea on how he did this so what we are doing right now are speculating on something that might come to sense.
The flaw could mean anything, more interesting is that on how he was able to find that there is such flaw that will reveal the seed on the site

I can 100% guarantee that is not possible. When seed is generated the same seed can not be generated on another account, its impossible. My best guess is he duplicated 2 same accounts and thats how he got a hold of same seed.

By what you meant as duplicated account , do you mean that he have 2 account with the same username? I dont think this is kinda possible because each sites got their own system restriction whenever someone is trying to register with the same username though

I think hufflepuff somehow duplicated same UID on 2 different accounts and therefor he was able to reveal the seed on 1 without affecting the other one

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Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 03:57:41 AM

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

Almost 0 doesnt mean that it is imposible because there is still a posibillity for that. He might have been lucky enough to notice it and exploit it further. Although this all is a pure speculations and theories on how he did it, it hasnt been proven yet that two account rolling with the same seed could generate the same server seed.

I can 100% guarantee that is not possible. When seed is generated the same seed can not be generated on another account, its impossible. My best guess is he duplicated 2 same accounts and thats how he got a hold of same seed.

But stunna already said that his accounts have the same seed that is how he cheated pd

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Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 09:52:36 AM

Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 03:57:41 AM

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

Almost 0 doesnt mean that it is imposible because there is still a posibillity for that. He might have been lucky enough to notice it and exploit it further. Although this all is a pure speculations and theories on how he did it, it hasnt been proven yet that two account rolling with the same seed could generate the same server seed.

Actually it still is pretty much impossible. Apart from seeds matching, we are also saying that someone happened to have seen the seeds and compared them. And I think Stunna did say it was a flaw he took advantage of.

Well every is a theory and impossible until it is proven so and we had no idea on how he did this so what we are doing right now are speculating on something that might come to sense.
The flaw could mean anything, more interesting is that on how he was able to find that there is such flaw that will reveal the seed on the site

I can 100% guarantee that is not possible. When seed is generated the same seed can not be generated on another account, its impossible. My best guess is he duplicated 2 same accounts and thats how he got a hold of same seed.

By what you meant as duplicated account , do you mean that he have 2 account with the same username? I dont think this is kinda possible because each sites got their own system restriction whenever someone is trying to register with the same username though

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Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 03:57:41 AM

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

Almost 0 doesnt mean that it is imposible because there is still a posibillity for that. He might have been lucky enough to notice it and exploit it further. Although this all is a pure speculations and theories on how he did it, it hasnt been proven yet that two account rolling with the same seed could generate the same server seed.

I can 100% guarantee that is not possible. When seed is generated the same seed can not be generated on another account, its impossible. My best guess is he duplicated 2 same accounts and thats how he got a hold of same seed.

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Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 03:57:41 AM

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

Almost 0 doesnt mean that it is imposible because there is still a posibillity for that. He might have been lucky enough to notice it and exploit it further. Although this all is a pure speculations and theories on how he did it, it hasnt been proven yet that two account rolling with the same seed could generate the same server seed.

Actually it still is pretty much impossible. Apart from seeds matching, we are also saying that someone happened to have seen the seeds and compared them. And I think Stunna did say it was a flaw he took advantage of.

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Quote from: sherbyspark on May 10, 2015, 03:57:41 AM

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

Almost 0 doesnt mean that it is imposible because there is still a posibillity for that. He might have been lucky enough to notice it and exploit it further. Although this all is a pure speculations and theories on how he did it, it hasnt been proven yet that two account rolling with the same seed could generate the same server seed.

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Quote from: Wendigo on May 10, 2015, 03:14:44 AM

Or maybe he was multiaccounting on different machines and by a stroke of luck he noticed the same outcomes on some accounts? Is it possible that the 2 identical seeds had the exactly same rolls on them?

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

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It would be very stupid to have the outcome determined by the server seed alone

Why is that? perhaps you can propose a new method for this? still it is better than the outcome that is determined by the favor the owner

even moreso if you can manipulate the seed that easily.

We cant manipulate the server seed, do read few comments here before posting. It is suspected that he may have the outcome already from another account which makes him able to know what the next roll will be

If it is possible to cheat the system in this way it only indicates the system is not truly random and rigged.

If it is possible to cheat the system , everyone would have found a way to do so but since only Hufflepuff manage to do this then this actually means that he is exploiting a loophole or exploit from the sites. FYI, the system is not random as it is predetermined in form of the server seed and it is not rigged

So the 2k primedice lost is not a big issue for prime dice

Yes it is not , although the house might take some beating from the lost of this

Quote from: dooglus on May 09, 2015, 09:57:05 PM

they got it back from all the other players in their rigged system Angry

Again do your research before posting, the system is not rigged

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The problem with that assumption is that there will have to be 3 accounts with the same seeds to make sense of that theory. At the end Robinhood clearly showed the advantage he took of the flaw by winning many 10 BTC bets. So he probably didn't reveal the seed on that account, as he knew the rolls.

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Or perhaps he had 2 separate pairs. If he managed to get seeds off 3 accounts, then there definitely exists or existed a flaw. I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

My guess would be that he had a way of making pairs of accounts with the same server seed. So Hufflepuff and Robbinhood had different seeds, but each had a 'twin' that was used to reveal their seed.

Of course, that's just a guess, and we'll have to wait for Stunna's edit to really know.

Or maybe he was multiaccounting on different machines and by a stroke of luck he noticed the same outcomes on some accounts? Is it possible that the 2 identical seeds had the exactly same rolls on them?

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It would be very stupid to have the outcome determined by the server seed alone, even moreso if you can manipulate the seed that easily. If it is possible to cheat the system in this way it only indicates the system is not truly random and rigged. So the 2k primedice lost is not a big issue for prime dice, they got it back from all the other players in their rigged system Angry

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Quote from: vennali on May 09, 2015, 06:48:31 PM

The problem with that assumption is that there will have to be 3 accounts with the same seeds to make sense of that theory. At the end Robinhood clearly showed the advantage he took of the flaw by winning many 10 BTC bets. So he probably didn't reveal the seed on that account, as he knew the rolls.

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Or perhaps he had 2 separate pairs. If he managed to get seeds off 3 accounts, then there definitely exists or existed a flaw. I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

My guess would be that he had a way of making pairs of accounts with the same server seed. So Hufflepuff and Robbinhood had different seeds, but each had a 'twin' that was used to reveal their seed.

Of course, that's just a guess, and we'll have to wait for Stunna's edit to really know.

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Quote from: arallmuus on May 09, 2015, 06:42:30 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on May 09, 2015, 06:42:30 PM

I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

Could perhaps that Stunna is tracking this guy now secretly that he doesnt want hufflepuff to feel insecure about this. Another theory would be that the exploit hasnt been fixed yet and commenting on it will lead people to try it and again manage to get it

The second is highly unlikely. Stunna would rather close the site than let it continue with the exploit, as Hufflepuff can always come back through another account and repeat the process in the same way like before.
As for tracking, I doubt it . Even if thats the case, he can always leave an update, which wouldn't interfere with anything that he might be doing.

Well he promised to be posting up the details explanation about what happened "soon" .Which of course in Stunna's term that might take quite a while before we can feed our curiousity.

For the first one basically he keep silent will be to not let hufflepuff know what he is doing right now as it will be much easier for him to track on hufflepuff if he doesnt know what Stunna's is up to .

For the second one, Stunna may have fixed it yet it is just another of my theory. Could be that he doesnt fix it yet to lure in hufflepuff to the site as for the tracking purposes

P.S : just my theory, basically because Im bored waiting for the promised explanations

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Quote from: Olaf on May 09, 2015, 06:37:30 PM

I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

Could perhaps that Stunna is tracking this guy now secretly that he doesnt want hufflepuff to feel insecure about this. Another theory would be that the exploit hasnt been fixed yet and commenting on it will lead people to try it and again manage to get it

The second is highly unlikely. Stunna would rather close the site than let it continue with the exploit, as Hufflepuff can always come back through another account and repeat the process in the same way like before.
As for tracking, I doubt it . Even if thats the case, he can always leave an update, which wouldn't interfere with anything that he might be doing.

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and here i thought everyone praised hufflepuff cause he was legit lol.

He is not because he is cheating

Quote from: David19 on May 09, 2015, 06:02:40 PM

I'm guessing that he found a way to create/duplicate same account without it being attached to the same ID, so when he would change the seed on 1 it wouldn't affect the other one and thus he could predict the rolls

Another theory which I read would be that if you are using the same seed rolling in a few accounts then you might get the same server seed. This is proof by that there is someone who placed some BTC for rolling X numbers of rolls with certain seed at the services section.
I cant find the thread anymore btw