Hufflepuff Making 2k BTC On PrimeDice Nov 2014. March 2015 Update: He Cheated - page 10.

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How did he get the same server seed on two accounts?

I don't think they can. Server seeds are usually generated randomly by these gambling sites, and each user should have a unique seed. Did Stunna confirm, that 2 accounts had the possibility of having the same server seed ?

Stunna only said that all accounts used by huffle have the same seeds(server and player) i dont know how huffle did that or maybe he used some software for it

Maybe its a exploit or PD Backends vulnerability

Stunna said that it is an exploit and it is already patched so one could do that again

So what happens in the video it is because of an exploit?
I was thinking since I saw it, he was really lucky... Undecided

What happened with that bunch of bitcoins?

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Quote from: dooglus on April 14, 2015, 09:03:21 PM

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Dooplus had also mentioned that it would be possible that anyone who requested a new server seed in the same second would get the same server seed.

I was simply trying to guess how it would be possible for two accounts to have the same server seed. It doesn't seem very likely that the seed is generated solely from the time at which it is generated, but I couldn't think of any other explanation.

Well whatever exploit was used, it is unlikely that it was "luck" that one person with two accounts was assigned the same server seed as two people apparently (both Hufflepuff and Robinhood) were able to get the same server seed. If it was possible that "luck" was "used" then I would think that more people would have stumbled across having the same server seed and taken advantage of this.

The only other real explanation that I can think of is that the actual (not hash) server seed was stored on the "live/hot" server and Hufflepuff/Robinhood was able to find some security exploit to determine the actual server seed before it was released to him

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Quote from: Quickseller on April 14, 2015, 07:59:20 PM

Dooplus had also mentioned that it would be possible that anyone who requested a new server seed in the same second would get the same server seed.

I was simply trying to guess how it would be possible for two accounts to have the same server seed. It doesn't seem very likely that the seed is generated solely from the time at which it is generated, but I couldn't think of any other explanation.

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Quote from: Twipple on April 14, 2015, 05:21:24 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 14, 2015, 11:40:24 AM

How did he get the same server seed on two accounts?

I don't think they can. Server seeds are usually generated randomly by these gambling sites, and each user should have a unique seed. Did Stunna confirm, that 2 accounts had the possibility of having the same server seed ?

It was said above that he did.

This would somewhat make sense as there was someone in the services section not long ago that was asking people to create an account on PD and make a bunch of rolls with the same client seed, so he was probably hoping that two of the accounts have a similar server seed so he could run a similar exploit.

Dooplus had also mentioned that it would be possible that anyone who requested a new server seed in the same second would get the same server seed.

edit: it was this guy who was asking people to make accounts with the same client seed, and was doing so via PM on this thread

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Quote from: DirtyUniverse on April 14, 2015, 06:31:55 PM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 14, 2015, 05:50:00 PM

Quote from: Twipple on April 14, 2015, 05:21:24 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 14, 2015, 11:40:24 AM

How did he get the same server seed on two accounts?

I don't think they can. Server seeds are usually generated randomly by these gambling sites, and each user should have a unique seed. Did Stunna confirm, that 2 accounts had the possibility of having the same server seed ?

Stunna only said that all accounts used by huffle have the same seeds(server and player) i dont know how huffle did that or maybe he used some software for it

Maybe its a exploit or PD Backends vulnerability

Stunna said that it is an exploit and it is already patched so one could do that again

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Quote from: Quickseller on April 14, 2015, 11:40:24 AM

How did he get the same server seed on two accounts?

I don't think they can. Server seeds are usually generated randomly by these gambling sites, and each user should have a unique seed. Did Stunna confirm, that 2 accounts had the possibility of having the same server seed ?

Stunna only said that all accounts used by huffle have the same seeds(server and player) i dont know how huffle did that or maybe he used some software for it

Maybe its a exploit or PD Backends vulnerability

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Quote from: Twipple on April 14, 2015, 05:21:24 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 14, 2015, 11:40:24 AM

How did he get the same server seed on two accounts?

I don't think they can. Server seeds are usually generated randomly by these gambling sites, and each user should have a unique seed. Did Stunna confirm, that 2 accounts had the possibility of having the same server seed ?

Stunna only said that all accounts used by huffle have the same seeds(server and player) i dont know how huffle did that or maybe he used some software for it

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Quote from: Twipple on April 14, 2015, 05:21:24 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 14, 2015, 11:40:24 AM

How did he get the same server seed on two accounts?

I don't think they can. Server seeds are usually generated randomly by these gambling sites, and each user should have a unique seed. Did Stunna confirm, that 2 accounts had the possibility of having the same server seed ?

who knows, only stunna knows. There are alots of questions and only Stunna can clear it out.

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Quote from: Quickseller on April 14, 2015, 11:40:24 AM

How did he get the same server seed on two accounts?

I don't think they can. Server seeds are usually generated randomly by these gambling sites, and each user should have a unique seed. Did Stunna confirm, that 2 accounts had the possibility of having the same server seed ?

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well then next time, stunna should offer huge bounties say like 100 btc bounties. also his dev fault as well. It don't matter stunna cant go after him im sure of it. site is not licensed.

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Quote from: GrandmaJean on April 14, 2015, 11:48:53 AM

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I saw the video on youtube where Hufflepuff rocks, but how did he cheat? He did not seem to use any playing system, but the rolls were quite slow - did he manipulate seeds before them or series of them...?

From what Stunna has said it appears that Hufflepuff used an exploit to reveal his secret server seed and so was able to calculate the numbers he would roll before he rolled them. So he was able to win and lose whenever he wanted to.

Actually, he had another account with the same server seed. He simply filled in the same user seed, and the rolls were the same. He could preroll with the other account and use his hufflepuff account to make the high stakes bets.

Edit: what I'm trying to say: it wasn't really an exploit, but a mistake from Stunna to give multiple users the same server seed.

oh so he actually wasnt able to exploit the system on any other accounts except for hufflepuff?

no he would have been able to exploit on any other accounts as well but he did with hufflepuff account, this is related to server not to a specific account.

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Quote from: Josepht on April 14, 2015, 11:35:18 AM

Quote from: dooglus on April 14, 2015, 11:21:57 AM

Quote from: cryptojumper on April 14, 2015, 11:18:09 AM

I saw the video on youtube where Hufflepuff rocks, but how did he cheat? He did not seem to use any playing system, but the rolls were quite slow - did he manipulate seeds before them or series of them...?

From what Stunna has said it appears that Hufflepuff used an exploit to reveal his secret server seed and so was able to calculate the numbers he would roll before he rolled them. So he was able to win and lose whenever he wanted to.

Actually, he had another account with the same server seed. He simply filled in the same user seed, and the rolls were the same. He could preroll with the other account and use his hufflepuff account to make the high stakes bets.

Edit: what I'm trying to say: it wasn't really an exploit, but a mistake from Stunna to give multiple users the same server seed.

oh so he actually wasnt able to exploit the system on any other accounts except for hufflepuff?

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Im just seeing this thread now, but I always thought the guy was legit. But, this pretty huge, and yeah that really is insane though to get away with that much coins.

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How did he get the same server seed on two accounts?

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Quote from: dooglus on April 14, 2015, 11:21:57 AM

Quote from: cryptojumper on April 14, 2015, 11:18:09 AM

I saw the video on youtube where Hufflepuff rocks, but how did he cheat? He did not seem to use any playing system, but the rolls were quite slow - did he manipulate seeds before them or series of them...?

From what Stunna has said it appears that Hufflepuff used an exploit to reveal his secret server seed and so was able to calculate the numbers he would roll before he rolled them. So he was able to win and lose whenever he wanted to.

Actually, he had another account with the same server seed. He simply filled in the same user seed, and the rolls were the same. He could preroll with the other account and use his hufflepuff account to make the high stakes bets.

Edit: what I'm trying to say: it wasn't really an exploit, but a mistake from Stunna to give multiple users the same server seed.

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Quote from: dooglus on April 14, 2015, 11:21:57 AM

Quote from: cryptojumper on April 14, 2015, 11:18:09 AM

I saw the video on youtube where Hufflepuff rocks, but how did he cheat? He did not seem to use any playing system, but the rolls were quite slow - did he manipulate seeds before them or series of them...?

From what Stunna has said it appears that Hufflepuff used an exploit to reveal his secret server seed and so was able to calculate the numbers he would roll before he rolled them. So he was able to win and lose whenever he wanted to.

in my opinion i dont think he was cheating. pd was on for a few years and in that time only 1 human exploited the system? ok lets say he was only one who exploited it but why did he stop then? he could have easily created more accounts and keep on doing the same process over and over again. still just my opinionn

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Quote from: cryptojumper on April 14, 2015, 11:18:09 AM

I saw the video on youtube where Hufflepuff rocks, but how did he cheat? He did not seem to use any playing system, but the rolls were quite slow - did he manipulate seeds before them or series of them...?

From what Stunna has said it appears that Hufflepuff used an exploit to reveal his secret server seed and so was able to calculate the numbers he would roll before he rolled them. So he was able to win and lose whenever he wanted to.

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I saw the video on youtube where Hufflepuff rocks, but how did he cheat? He did not seem to use any playing system, but the rolls were quite slow - did he manipulate seeds before them or series of them...?

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Quote from: WhatTheGox on April 14, 2015, 06:21:32 AM

Well there is the risk of private investigations, iirc wasn't hufflepuff known by the sites owners having spoke on skype several times before?

He was most likely using some kind of VPN/proxy to connect to Skype, and probably did the same thing when he signed up. If he knew he was going to cheat then he knew that he needed to cover his tracks and would have acted accordingly.

Quote from: Priceslide on April 13, 2015, 11:51:54 PM

Stunna is taking a seriously long time to update us on the full story. he must be making sure no one could ever repeat this even if the method of cheating is posted in full. I'm sorry for the 2.5k BTC loss. 2100 BTC is a far off dream of mine.

If he is in the middle of an investigation then he wants to allow little information be available about what he knows as possible be made public. If he makes too much information public then Hufflepuff might start to cover his tracks that he would not otherwise cover. Also if Hufflepuff doesn't know how close stunna is to finding him then he might contact him to make a settlement offer in exchange for not pressing charges/legally pursuing him.

IMO the best way to find him is not via where he sent the money after he withdrew, but rather where the money came from. I would say that he was likely not as careful covering his tracks in it's way in as it was on it's way out.

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Quote from: Aleator on April 14, 2015, 07:04:48 AM

I do not understand how people dislike hufflepuff. Given the chance almost all of us here would do the same thing if we knew . Hell I might even slow ride it as much as possible. Try to stay hidden and get as much as I could.

Maybe they don't like him or maybe they are jealous because he stole more than 800K$.

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