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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 28, 2023, 09:30:34 AM

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

We usually heard bad news circulating the internet during the bear season and have no idea how to stop it.
But we miss seeing how whales benefit from this situation and it happens that they manipulate the market trying to capture panic sellers to sell their coins at cheap prices and then take advantage of the situation.

I'd see how influential these whales are in the crypto space. It is to understand that whales participation has a huge impact on the market, the pump and dump scenarios, that are all possible here. Unfortunately, we never know exactly what is in their minds and so we need to keep updated and listen to the news as well.

The influence of the whale in the crypto space is still huge and making people panic. They can spread the news that will shock many people and finally, the whale will take advantage of the news. And when we read a negative story, we shouldn't panic and look for other news about what's happening. And if we can find another piece of news that's not true, we can adapt to what will happen to the market. Looking for more news can help us stay calm and use every moment that happens in the market so that it can be useful for us.

You are very correct, it's like what John McAfee did with the crypto market when he was still alive, the man so manipulated the market that it got to a point, no body listened or reacted to his tweet like they all used to..
I think Elon musk came and also did the same thing for a while, but maybe he came back to his senses after several popular influencers in the industry started criticising him which I think CZ of binance was one of his critics at the time.

Bitcoin and the entire crypto market is still very young, and as well very fragile and easy to manipulate, I am still looking forward to a time when the Market will become matured enough, to the extent that bad news will have little to no effect on it.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on April 28, 2023, 07:09:28 AM

Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

We usually heard bad news circulating the internet during the bear season and have no idea how to stop it.
But we miss seeing how whales benefit from this situation and it happens that they manipulate the market trying to capture panic sellers to sell their coins at cheap prices and then take advantage of the situation.

I'd see how influential these whales are in the crypto space. It is to understand that whales participation has a huge impact on the market, the pump and dump scenarios, that are all possible here. Unfortunately, we never know exactly what is in their minds and so we need to keep updated and listen to the news as well.

The influence of the whale in the crypto space is still huge and making people panic. They can spread the news that will shock many people and finally, the whale will take advantage of the news. And when we read a negative story, we shouldn't panic and look for other news about what's happening. And if we can find another piece of news that's not true, we can adapt to what will happen to the market. Looking for more news can help us stay calm and use every moment that happens in the market so that it can be useful for us.

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I can't argue that terrible news just only occurs in bear markets; it also occur during bull run periods . However, because more people are buying and holding during bull runs, poor news does not always have a significant impact on the market during these times. It is well known that many people in the cryptocurrency industry only hold Bitcoin and other altcoins for a brief period of time before selling them and leaving the market for a while before returning. As a result, these people typically target bull run periods to sell and also target bear market periods to buy.so in this cases it happens that any news against Bitcoin make many that don't hold for long time sell off all their cryptocurrency investment after their make some profits and create fear in other New investors mind and they also start selling and graduating we witness bear market.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on April 27, 2023, 08:39:47 AM

In my opinion, it is due to some force manipulating the market for profit. Cryptocurrencies are still a market that is manipulated rather than driven by supply and demand.
If we pay attention, every time the bear market comes, we get more bad news and more market crashes than just bad news from the government or the regulatory agencies. In a bull market, I have never seen a crash like Luna or FTX, but it happens more often during a bear season. Almost everything is pre-calculated.

So true. We cannot close our eyes to the fact that in every field of investment there is always market manipulation. Not only in crypto but also in stock market and others. And we do have to get used to things like market manipulation. Even if we are observant, we can also follow the direction of market movements by taking advantage of any information circulating in the market (market sentiment). Even today many news media do not hesitate to spread fake news. for example, such as the latest news about fake news related to mt.gox's Wallet which is reported to have detected activity. when in fact there is no activity whatsoever in the mt.gox wallet. and many more fake news even this week.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

We usually heard bad news circulating the internet during the bear season and have no idea how to stop it.
But we miss seeing how whales benefit from this situation and it happens that they manipulate the market trying to capture panic sellers to sell their coins at cheap prices and then take advantage of the situation.

I'd see how influential these whales are in the crypto space. It is to understand that whales participation has a huge impact on the market, the pump and dump scenarios, that are all possible here. Unfortunately, we never know exactly what is in their minds and so we need to keep updated and listen to the news as well.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

I guess you haven't heard of perma-bears? those individuals who are going to destroy bitcoin by creating FUD and negative things specially in a bear market to bring down the price because that's what they enjoy to be honest.

So may say that we are being played, nevertheless the best thing to do is:

a. don't listen to them, just think of it as something part of the market
b. you said that you have been in 2 bear market, so by now you should know that it's better to accumulate in bear market then listening and be emotional everything you hear attacks on bitcoin.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

You made a pretty accurate observation.
Many media outlets do unfortunatelly care less about a certain depth of the information they provide in comparison with the strength of the headline and its click-potential.
- It's a matter of simple psychology: When Bitcoin is mooning, reaching new highs never seen before, you can play into the FOMO and greed complex by portraying mistly positive news.
- Vis versa, as soon as there is a 70% drop, just go with the malice-sentiment, fueling the "I told you so, it's all a scam" narrative. Generally negative news sell better/generate more clicks, and just looking at the stats, since much less people are in any way involved in Bitcoin still, you can catch a wider audience with crypto-negative news compared to crypto-positive news.

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I don't have much experience in this forum
but I want to give an opinion that I know...

I think news about bear markets and bull markets will always be there, and they will form naturally
and of course these 2 news have the potential to provide benefits for those who use them for example.

: during a bear market people who are interested can buy btc at a low price and of course have the potential to get big profits.

: during the bull market there was a lot of news that said the bull market was an advantage for bitcoin investors because if there was no news about the bull market of course the profits of btc investors would not get the maximum profit, but with the news, many people bought and in the end, many btc investors maximum profit.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

That's how the sharks manipulate the market, after they make a profit during the bull season, the down season will come, and that's when the sharks go shopping, and they always want to buy cheap. To me, the crypto market is a free market, so it will be manipulated, and every collapse is planned, and just waiting for the right day, they will trigger it all. Honestly, I would do the same if I had the money because it's the easiest way to make money in this market.

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I would also compare the fact that there are already a lot of newbies and weak hands in the current industry, and naturally they will react more to negative news and, at the first opportunity, they will try to either sell or fix their deposit. For growth, more money and investors are needed, and for a quick sale is just one click away, maybe that's why negative news affects the market more, at least it seems to me.

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Quote from: tranthidung on April 26, 2023, 09:34:43 AM

Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are you sure that in bear market, there are only bad news?
Are you sure that in bull market, there are only good news?

I bet on differ that in both markets, there are good and bad news. It's just in a bear market, bad news are considered as really bad but in bear market, bad news are easily ignored by people. The same for good news which is considered nothing in a bear market but is something like a nuclear bomb for Bitcoin explosion in a bull market.

If you need examples, see the Bitcoin obituaries

If you fall believing that bear market is all about bad news, then you won’t really see the good news about having bear market. Just like if you are completely carried away by it’s bullish market, you will never realize that there are bad news that are associated in it. That’s why you will never enter the market perfectly and leave the market profitably because you fail to see the opportunities that is right there in front of you when the bearish market appears.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

It is certain that there are something like we being played with, but not in all cryptocurrencies. That is why there is what we term manipulation; it is used to deceive us. The bad news that follows the massive dump is the reason why the market price continues to fall. It doesn't mean they're trying to trick us; occasionally the news is delayed. But I agree that there are occurrences like that because there are also manipulations. Those projects who collapsed were frequently the only ones who made it fall because they had enormous holdings. They will sell their tokens if they believe they cannot withstand the pressures of the bear market. This is my view.

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In my opinion, it is due to some force manipulating the market for profit. Cryptocurrencies are still a market that is manipulated rather than driven by supply and demand.
If we pay attention, every time the bear market comes, we get more bad news and more market crashes than just bad news from the government or the regulatory agencies. In a bull market, I have never seen a crash like Luna or FTX, but it happens more often during a bear season. Almost everything is pre-calculated.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

How to encourage people to buy in a bull market when the price is very high, there is only one answer, everyone needs to talk about bitcoin and say only good things, that the price will be much higher than it is at the moment. I'm not sure, but I think that in a bull market there is also negative news that is used for local corrections, but of course they are much less than in a bear market. It's all part of one big game, if you understand that, then this should not be a problem for you, just try to get the benefit of this knowledge.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

When your investment is going well, there is nothing like bad news again. Some of those people complaining or raising bad news are also investors, so if their investments is going up with huge profits they will not talk and as a result of that all we here then is good news, but once the market is in the other side, impatient investors will start having problems within themselves and as a result of that, we do have bad news which is the market is been affected most times.

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During the bear market,because bitcoin is not doing well in price,people can come up with so many Fud on bitcoin and it will sell, due to the fact that it is bearish. Media and government are the ones that trend the Fud,what do you expect from investors or newbies that don't have the knowledge of bitcoin market analysis? They will panic and sell off or run away from bitcoin because the FUD was spread by people who the citizens listen to. As for the bull run,it will always be good news in the air because these so called government and media are ashamed that bitcoin has proven them wrong and if they come up with any bad news,the citizens will know that they are lairs and will turn deaf ears to them.
From my own side, all these good news and bad news in the bull and bear markets are there to help bitcoin repeat history,because during the bearish period a lot of investors will panic and sell but some will see it as an advantage to accumulate more coins for themselves, preparing towards the next bull run.

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Personally i think that is the motive behind the constant FUD especially during the bear season, they try to increase the fud on crypto when the price is down to inject more fear on people to sell and stay away but people are more aware and understand the game more. Before china Fud use to have great impact in btc price but overtime people are more understanding of the situation and pay less attention to irrelevant Fud spread by btc haters.
Fud and bad news will always exist as far as human are concerned, in the case of btc fud, majority of crypto users no longer fret over such news because at the end the market still prevail.

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Well, first of all, you don't sound stupid for saying that, it is a good observation and has some reality in it, but what I really think is that news, either good or bad, doesn't stop whether the times are good or bad but it's just that the public tends to react to them based on how the market is reacting, that is probably the reason why when there is a bull run, bad news doesn't really matter much or have much of an effect on the price.

The manipulation of the market is mostly done by the whales and that doesn't always involve news but they tend to do it by buying or selling with big amounts mostly, maybe sometimes the news is a plot for the general public to spread FUD and have a better price for themselves.

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I'm crypto market there are some big whales who are playing with us. They sometime force the market to pump and also also crash the market by making excuse on a little bad news. So markets can be manipulated and fake pumps happen sometimes and after that whales and traders dump the market for a correction.

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Quote from: bittraffic on April 26, 2023, 09:42:50 PM

If for 2 cycles you have not dumped when the bull run is at its peak then you sure are hoping for a higher profit. You don't need negative news before dumping, you just need the charts.

But it's true though that it feels like the price is manipulated all the time thru the news and Gary Gensler and it's up to them, whoever they are, when the bull run starts, and when it ends regardless of the halving.

that is a long time of waiting , although there are holders that keeps their funds since day one ,
yet we can consider this a heroic way now.
imagine seeing your funds increase hundreds of percent yet you manage to wait more?
then you are capable of living without that bitcoin in your wallet.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?

Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.

bad news will keep popping even there is a bear or bull and people here are used to it, I don't know why OP is still having this thoughts when he already witnessed happening several times.

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