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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Out in a decade then they had formed out that kind of pattern, i cant just remember on what it is precisely but this is the arrangement of it.

- Bear market
- Sideways movement
- Accumulation
- Bull market

and so on ....

4 year cycle as they say basing up on the years that been passing by which we do really have that kind of pattern which we could say that it is really indeed
a bit considerable or something we could say that its true. In speaking about manipulation then its not really that shocking anymore.
Its normal that on bull market then everything would turn out to be positive where news do really like adoption and recognition and other big buy events
but when bear market starts then expect the other side of things which it isnt something new.

Important thing on here, is that you do really know on how to place up yourself in the market to have that kind of possible earning opportunity.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

I have witness only one bear market and I have only spend one year in the crypto blockchain. Bear market is always a good market for everyone but for real born again bitcoiners. Because it is the bear market people are interested to invest in it. Just like you sow a seed in the wet ground in the early ours of the year and harvest it in the next seven to eight months time.

Bitcoin is just the fiat currency online. Remember that inflation affect businesses in real life. And that is how bitcoin is also is.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Bad news always happens in every market season but in the bearish market season, it's easy for bad news to influence the market because most of the investors are already in fear and choose to hold due to the potential of the market.
The reason why the bad news appears to disappear is that most investors focus on the upcoming market rally and don't want to miss it.

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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Sort of, a lot of news platforms and the whales at some point do something to manipulate the market for their own selfish reason and this is why it is good to avoid shitcoin.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Well, what I think is that, there Is always bad news at all times, both in the bear and bull seasons of bitcoin, but there is a difference, and that difference is what makes people's reactions to the bad news different for both season.

What are this difference?

During bear market, investors and traders alike, are calm, and they have their ears on the ground, and constantly looking at the news, watching out for clues to either buy or sell bitcoin.
But during bull market, investors and traders are people high on drugs, nobody is paying attention to the media, they all have their eyes and brains fixed on the price of bitcoin and other altcoin, the only discussion at this time is, what resistance bitcoin is going to break next, what the all time high will likely be, no body pays attention to the news, most especially, if it's negative, everybody just wanna make money.

This I believe is the reason why bad news easily spread fast during bear market, than it does during bull market.

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The price of Bitcoin is heavily influenced by news. If there is a continuous stream of negative news, it can cause panic among holders, leading to a massive sell-off and a subsequent market dump. It's important to note that the dump occurs because of the bad news and not the other way around. Similarly, when there is an influx of positive news, it can create FOMO (fear of missing out), leading people to buy again and causing the market to pump.

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There are always bad news when it comes to bitcoin. Jut two things that make you think that bad news vanish diring a bull market.

1.Illusion of Magnitude: Since during bitcoin bull runs people are more focused on bitcoin's ever increasing price, bad news and negative propaganda against bitcoin doesn't work that much, giving the illusion that bitcoin issues are gone during a bull market when in fact it doesn't. It just gets overshadowed by the positive light bitcoin is receiving.

2. Feedback Mechanism: Most bull runs commence at the break of a positive news. For 2016 bull run it was the price increase of bitcoin. For 2020 you can probably blame Elon for publicizing his purchase of bitcoins and his "support" of cryptocurrencies.

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There are various interesting perspectives in this thread, given by others. Some explain the phenomenon with whale manipulation, some focus on the long-term bull run of Bitcoin, others question the op's observation about bad and good news.
In my opinion, it's not that there isn't any good news during the bear market and vice versa, but the impact of news. When the sentiment is pessimistic, even a pretty good thing like a solid company starting to accept Bitcoin doesn't change the situation much because it's just not deemed important, and it gets less attention. The same is true for bad things happening and being covered by the media when Bitcoin is on a rapid rise up. But eventually there might come a moment when the news can impact the price or at least strongly correlate with the price change, and then the tide turns.
I don't think it's due to anyone's manipulations; I think it's just a result of human tendencies, including confirmation bias (we notice what we want to notice based on what we already believe is true).

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There are bad news in a bull market as well but every bad news in a bull market are less powerful because the hype after every Bitcoin halving is so powerful to neutralize any negative news in the space, I believe that is what happens in every bull market.

Bad news are very effective in a bear market, I can't say that there isn't any form of manipulation though, because CZ knew about FTX corruption and he decide to let the cats out when the bear market started in 2022, good timing?

This is the case where we can say that 'Everybody Knows', everyone knows how the crypto market works, only the newbies who are controlled by hype and FOMO lacks the knowledge, in the crypto space, manipulation is real.

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First, you must know every fud intends to force the price down and since that is the ultimate goal for fuds, it becomes clear that in times of bear markets, it's best to generate a lot of fuds that could possibly force the market to stay down for as long as possible and that is why we have so much fuds during a bear market.

But in a bull market, everyone is already amazed by the ability of Bitcoin to break every previous barrier and this could easily shade off every possible fuds naturally, both bull and bear markets have their peculiar sentiments

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Maybe that's what you've only noticed but in every season, bears or bulls, we do get the same FUD and these bad news are all over the market in all times. They only have one goal and that's to send people fear and panic so that they will sell.

Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

No, we're not being played. That's just part of bitcoin and its market being volatile and it's normal to a market that has this type of obstacles.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Since I came across bitcoin their is this set of people that their job is to cook and analyse bad things about bitcoin, and one who is not very familiar with the knowledge of bitcoin will just fall for it and miss good opportunity. People will always talk bad things about bitcoin just to promote their Ponzi scheme and switching, the best thing is never to give them listening ears.

Many people have miss lots of opportunities by getting advice from wrong people without making better research to know the right things to do. I could remember some past bear market that would have been opportunities for young investors to invest, some enemy of bitcoin cooked lies that was the end of bitcoin to put fears in people but bitcoin still exist and always been the best.

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Bad news spreads faster than good news! Also when we are going through a bull cycle, bitcoin usually enjoys a huge amount of attention. So media houses try to post clickbait articles in a wrapper of bad news to get a share from that global attention. That's all business for them.

That's usually not the case for Good news. So good things usually spread slower. I would say don't get into bad or good news. If you believe in Bitcoin, stay with it. No time is the good or bad time to get into Bitcoin. It just needs patience.

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Naturally speaking bad news spread more than good news so I will say this is also attached to bitcoin, many people will only hear about bitcoin when someone has lost its money because he or she could not hold till there is a bull and some will hear about it when profits making for the people that invested at its peak.

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In my opinion, for all conditions bad news is more prevalent during bear markets and will not escape media coverage. My view During a bear market, investors may be more risk averse and therefore more sensitive to negative news. In addition, they may be more likely to report negative events during a bear market because they are perceived as more newsworthy. This can create a negative cycle reinforcing the bearish sentiment.

I think market cycles and media coverage are closely linked but in this moment i think the investors are very smart now, I guess it's easy to see it is just a matter of correlating then adjusting the data to the facts only Although it is possible that some entities are deliberately manipulating the market through the spread of false information in order to avoid getting caught up in fear or hype and making investment decisions based on research and good analysis.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

The bear market is always full of manipulations that is why there are so many news that used to come in to make weak investors to sell there holdings.

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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Anyhow it comes, we are not bothered by any fake news that could make us feel bad about the current situation of the market. As years go by, people especially investors are becoming resistance to many of this fud news that could make us sell our holdings or see the market for another wrong perspective.
We are becoming immune to news that are irrelevant in the market that is why make news that are being used to manipulate the market are not effective in the market again.

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Quote from: dothebeats on April 26, 2023, 09:54:48 AM

It's how the media wants to play the game. Of course, during bear markets, the media will sell all its news hard and make money off it. And during the bull runs, they would stay silent as possible because their news wouldn't be bought anyway. It's how they make money, and for sure they are paid to peddle those news hard when the situation aligns to whatever they're reporting. It's a common tactic they've been doing for years way before crypto is around.

Yeah, exactly; no complicated games are involved; it's simple media journalism. Both during bear and bull markets, Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general become trending topics that even those who have no clue about them read about. I even caught my father a few months ago reading and commenting about an article about the so-called collapse of Bitcoin, when it reached a low of $18,000. My father is quite old, knows nothing about cryptocurrencies, and hardly does anything more complicated than browse the internet.

Do you see my point? Cryptocurrencies are easily become viral topic, because some people praise them while others hate them, and this is what journalists take advantage of, it's news that anybody would possibly read.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

You do not sound stupid @OP,

Life is a series of events, Good sometimes and the other time events that are bad. Nobody is playing you, just know that at times when the positive events are more than the negative events, there will be a bull, and at other times when there are more negative events, the market will be affected.

When there are positive events, it doesn't mean that there is no negative event with the potential to affect the market that has happened, it just means that the events are not negative enough to overshadow the positive events, this goes the other way as well too.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Bitcoin does have a tendency to create perfect storms quite often. No idea if these events are orchestrated to help create these peaks and valleys or if it is just a side effect as people scramble to find explanations for the price movements. All that really matters is the four year cycle though. Zoom out, ignore the news, and stick to your plan.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 26, 2023, 09:08:15 AM

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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

It depends on how you look at it, because even if what you say is true, then it is still somewhat "normal" for someone to play you once or maybe twice because you are young, naive and inexperienced. But it's not normal if you don't learn anything from it, and for anyone who turns on their brain a little, the rules of the "game" become clear - so instead of someone "playing" you, why not use the rules of the game to your advantage?

"Play me once, shame on you. Play me twice, shame on me"

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I do not think i have noticed what you are talking about, maybe i do not pay attention to the conventional media for BTC news, maybe you should do the same thing as well, i get things better when i read and discuss here in the forum, and i get the best information on things i need to know.

What i have noticed and i think is true is that in the bear market, many people do not buy BTC, i believe it is because there are too many weak hands and quick profit-only people, but when the bull run or pump begins or as the halving is coming, many of them go into fomo buying. That is why it is difficult for someone who does not understand what BTC is to use the dca strategy, that method is for strong hands and for people who know what BTC really is, weak hands only want to fomo buy and sell out as fast as they can. Market manipulations happens in the industry, but it does not affect BTC to much because of how decentralized it is and the lack of decisive control in the hands of anyone or group.

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