ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! - page 104.

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Quote from: Shishir99 on October 01, 2023, 09:47:43 AM

The board and the cricketers, no one cares about the failure. Because most of the players care about money. The board is corrupted. The board does not give facilities to their players and their salary is low (the players accused it years ago). So their players decided to play according to their will. If the board does not have a contract with a player, as other countries' boards have with their players, they won't be able to control players. If players are not interested in a contract, you cannot force them. Players like Pollard, and Narine play in T20 tournaments because they make money from there. The amount is well enough. But the West Indies board does not pay well to their players.

The bottom line is WI cricket is suffering due to this row between players and board. WI once was an unbeaten team and everyone fear to face them. They have produced bowlers like Wash and Ambrose but now they have collapsed to a level that they are not included in even ODI world cup. If the row continue then WI will surely miss next T20 WC.

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Before the Asia Cup, the Pakistani team were looking almost invincible or at least a strong contender for the WC but somehow they got exposed and opponents can notice some chinks in their armor.

Having said that, I think this kind of reality check is good for Pakistan or any team because sometimes it could turn into a blessing in disguise, given they are working hard on such problems.

The current situation is basically suggesting that we should not talk about the Pakistani team. What I would like to know is which teams will be in the semifinals. I believe that India, England, Australia, and South Africa can be the teams which will be in those rounds. I do think this tournament largely depends on the teams that have a good batting lineup. While there are a lot of batters in different teams who have the potential to change the game, India in general is looking still weak.

I agree with you about this all and surely also having few teams as strong candidate for the last four, but we need to understand these Indian conditions are never been easy for the teams like South Africa and England with I have two teams into last four and for other two we will have tough competition like England, New Zealand, South Africa and Pakistan all are having equal chance and any team on his day can turn for the spot into last four.

New Zealand and South Africa recently have good success which is good for them and England are also doing good and capable of giving their best for the spot Pakistan is always an unpredictable side which can't be out of the race until last ball as we all know about their nature and history in this competition.

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Quote from: MusaPk on September 30, 2023, 12:52:25 PM

The main reason why WI is not in this WC is because there players are mostly interested in T20 leagues and not much preference is given to ODI and Test. We see WI players in every league but there national team is undergoing a huge crisis for years now. May be this ODI WC break will give WI cricket board and players to think about how to move forward.

The board and the cricketers, no one cares about the failure. Because most of the players care about money. The board is corrupted. The board does not give facilities to their players and their salary is low (the players accused it years ago). So their players decided to play according to their will. If the board does not have a contract with a player, as other countries' boards have with their players, they won't be able to control players. If players are not interested in a contract, you cannot force them. Players like Pollard, and Narine play in T20 tournaments because they make money from there. The amount is well enough. But the West Indies board does not pay well to their players.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 01, 2023, 08:22:21 AM

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The current situation is basically suggesting that we should not talk about the Pakistani team. What I would like to know is which teams will be in the semifinals. I believe that India, England, Australia, and South Africa can be the teams which will be in those rounds. I do think this tournament largely depends on the teams that have a good batting lineup. While there are a lot of batters in different teams who have the potential to change the game, India in general is looking still weak.

For the semis, I'd go with the usual suspects because it's freaking 10 teams tournaments. Quite a hilarious and pathetic scene at the same time.

India + Australia + England are fixed as these teams usually cover their all departments. Be it bowling, batting or fielding. Aussies are a bit short in the spin department tho.

Then we have to bet on 4th semi finalist. Traditional wisdom says New Zealand and Pakistan but this time South Africa is looking alright too.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 01, 2023, 08:22:21 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 01, 2023, 08:10:32 AM

Before the Asia Cup, the Pakistani team were looking almost invincible or at least a strong contender for the WC but somehow they got exposed and opponents can notice some chinks in their armor.

Having said that, I think this kind of reality check is good for Pakistan or any team because sometimes it could turn into a blessing in disguise, given they are working hard on such problems.

The current situation is basically suggesting that we should not talk about the Pakistani team. What I would like to know is which teams will be in the semifinals. I believe that India, England, Australia, and South Africa can be the teams which will be in those rounds. I do think this tournament largely depends on the teams that have a good batting lineup. While there are a lot of batters in different teams who have the potential to change the game, India in general is looking still weak.

Actually it is not possible to think any advance about the Pakistan team because Pakistan was considered as the most favorite team in this year's Asia Cup but in the end Pakistan could not play the final but got knocked out from the final after losing to Sri Lanka. However, in this year's ICC ODI World Cup, England and Australia are considered as the favorite teams and they are likely to play in the semi-finals and final. However, South Africa and India are also likely to make it to the semi-finals. However, the rest of the teams, especially Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and the Netherlands, have no chance of playing in the semi-finals, but all these teams can cause any untoward incident with the favorite teams. For example, the shock of Bangladesh defeating India in this year's Asia Cup is one such example.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 01, 2023, 08:10:32 AM

Before the Asia Cup, the Pakistani team were looking almost invincible or at least a strong contender for the WC but somehow they got exposed and opponents can notice some chinks in their armor.

Having said that, I think this kind of reality check is good for Pakistan or any team because sometimes it could turn into a blessing in disguise, given they are working hard on such problems.

The current situation is basically suggesting that we should not talk about the Pakistani team. What I would like to know is which teams will be in the semifinals. I believe that India, England, Australia, and South Africa can be the teams which will be in those rounds. I do think this tournament largely depends on the teams that have a good batting lineup. While there are a lot of batters in different teams who have the potential to change the game, India in general is looking still weak.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 01, 2023, 06:54:06 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 30, 2023, 09:44:32 AM

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There is another big problem with the Pakistani team, if they do not get any wickets in the first 10 overs then their bowlers tend to get confused. The first two bowling halves of their seamers are important for the team to make a difference with their bowling attack. The next issue is with the opening pairs, they seem to lack the skills to play an ODI. If Babar or Rizwan do not perform then those coming after them would lose their wickets under pressure.

Before the Asia Cup, the Pakistani team were looking almost invincible or at least a strong contender for the WC but somehow they got exposed and opponents can notice some chinks in their armor.

Having said that, I think this kind of reality check is good for Pakistan or any team because sometimes it could turn into a blessing in disguise, given they are working hard on such problems.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 01, 2023, 06:54:06 AM

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Pakistan VS Newzealand

Like i mentioned during the Asia cup. Middle overs, lack of quality spinners and over dependence on seam bowling could be the downfall of this team.

They only rely on seamers to take plenty of wickets in the first 10 overs with the new ball, after that, everything depends on kudrat ka karisma.

Batting - Good
New ball- death bowling - Simply amazing
Spin- Mediocre at best
Fielding- It's improved a lot but they still manage to fumble when it matters most.

There is another big problem with the Pakistani team, if they do not get any wickets in the first 10 overs then their bowlers tend to get confused. The first two bowling halves of their seamers are important for the team to make a difference with their bowling attack. The next issue is with the opening pairs, they seem to lack the skills to play an ODI. If Babar or Rizwan do not perform then those coming after them would lose their wickets under pressure.

Pakistani bowling is really confusing. Either they work and makes the team win or don't work and feels like an associate team bowling. Spin has been historically a less proritized genre in Pakistani cricket and they still lack them.
Pakistan certainly have one of the balanced team with excellent individual players. I had a high hope over the Pakistani team after years prior to the Asian cup but their loss with India and Sri Lanka showed they lack the consistency.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 30, 2023, 09:44:32 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 29, 2023, 10:54:12 PM

Pakistan VS Newzealand

Like i mentioned during the Asia cup. Middle overs, lack of quality spinners and over dependence on seam bowling could be the downfall of this team.

They only rely on seamers to take plenty of wickets in the first 10 overs with the new ball, after that, everything depends on kudrat ka karisma.

Batting - Good
New ball- death bowling - Simply amazing
Spin- Mediocre at best
Fielding- It's improved a lot but they still manage to fumble when it matters most.

There is another big problem with the Pakistani team, if they do not get any wickets in the first 10 overs then their bowlers tend to get confused. The first two bowling halves of their seamers are important for the team to make a difference with their bowling attack. The next issue is with the opening pairs, they seem to lack the skills to play an ODI. If Babar or Rizwan do not perform then those coming after them would lose their wickets under pressure.

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Quote from: Shishir99 on September 30, 2023, 11:29:53 AM

Yet we have to consider them as a better team than West Indies for now. Because they have qualified by playing in the World Cup qualifier, some teams are stronger than others and some others are weak. We cannot expect competition from every one of them. But the good thing about the Netherlands is that they have improved their game in the last few years. The problem is they did not get enough chances to play against stronger teams like Australia except in these ICC tournaments. They have some players who never played against India yet, They have players who did not played against Pakistan yet.

The main reason why WI is not in this WC is because there players are mostly interested in T20 leagues and not much preference is given to ODI and Test. We see WI players in every league but there national team is undergoing a huge crisis for years now. May be this ODI WC break will give WI cricket board and players to think about how to move forward.

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Australia vs Netherlands batting in this match, Australia collected 166 runs in 23 overs. Due to rain at the beginning, the match was played in DL system in 23 overs, Australia managed to collect runs in 23 overs losing 7 wickets in the match. However, the Netherlands have put in a poor batting performance in the second innings and have lost wickets quickly due to which they have not been able to increase their runs so far. Moreover, in today's match, Netherlands lost 5 wickets, which is really sad for Netherlands. Today's match is most likely to be won by Australia, they are batting brilliantly and bowling performance is amazing. But at the moment, Netherlands are under a lot of pressure in batting. They still need to collect 110 runs from 77 balls to reach the goal of victory, which will be a very difficult challenge for the Netherlands.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on September 30, 2023, 11:18:05 AM

the Netherlands managed to qualify for the World Cup, this team is not very strong. Their batting order is quite weak.

Yet we have to consider them as a better team than West Indies for now. Because they have qualified by playing in the World Cup qualifier, some teams are stronger than others and some others are weak. We cannot expect competition from every one of them. But the good thing about the Netherlands is that they have improved their game in the last few years. The problem is they did not get enough chances to play against stronger teams like Australia except in these ICC tournaments. They have some players who never played against India yet, They have players who did not played against Pakistan yet.

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Australia vs Netherlands Warm up match

After the delaying due to rain now match lived Australia against Netherlands team. I suppose that pitch is not favor to Australia team in today. I am also very surprising to see the performance of Netherlands in bowling lineup very tremendous. At this time, Australia team players like Josh Inglis batsman out by Logan van Beek in 0 runs, Alex Carey out by Roelof van der Merwe after scoring 28 runs and Glenn Maxwell out by Shariz Ahmed only scoring 5 runs.

5th warm-up Match between Australia and the Netherlands. Australia won the toss and decided to bat first in the warm-up match against the Netherlands. Australia posted 166 in a loss of 7 wickets in 23 against Netherlands. Steve Smith batting well scored 55 runs in just 42 balls and Green also played a good inning of 34 runs in just 26 balls and reached the total to 160 plus.
Netherland bowling very outstanding in this match especially Roelof van der Merwe the star with the ball in the first innings by picking up 3 Crusial wickets just giving 12 runs in just 3 overs. Van Beek also picked up 2 important wickets by giving 35 runs in 5 overs with the Economy rate of 7.0. I think the Netherland have some chance of winning this match against big team Australia. The Netherlands managed to take 7 Australia wickets in the first inning Now They need to chase down 167 in 23 overs to win this warm-up Match.

The performance of the Australian batsmen was not good enough. Australia lost 7 wickets in just 23 overs. The Australian batsmen were able to provide a target of 16 descents. There is no way to say that the target is too big. Still, I think Australia will easily win this match. Although the Netherlands managed to qualify for the World Cup, this team is not very strong. Their batting order is quite weak. And in today's match also we see the poor batting of Netherlands. Netherlands lost their first four batsmen to collect just 15 runs. I don't think Netherlands have any chance of winning this match. Probably the Netherlands team will be able to collect up to 80-100 runs.

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After checking Australia's scorecard, it seems they took this rain effected warm up match too seriously lol.

Smudge and Josh Inglis opening for them, Maxwell and Softy Starc coming at number 4 and 6 respectively. Last but not least Marnus is batting at number 9.

If I am being honest then it felt like they imported the batting roaster from EA Cricket. Grin

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Australia vs Netherlands Warm up match

After the delaying due to rain now match lived Australia against Netherlands team. I suppose that pitch is not favor to Australia team in today. I am also very surprising to see the performance of Netherlands in bowling lineup very tremendous. At this time, Australia team players like Josh Inglis batsman out by Logan van Beek in 0 runs, Alex Carey out by Roelof van der Merwe after scoring 28 runs and Glenn Maxwell out by Shariz Ahmed only scoring 5 runs.

5th warm-up Match between Australia and the Netherlands. Australia won the toss and decided to bat first in the warm-up match against the Netherlands. Australia posted 166 in a loss of 7 wickets in 23 against Netherlands. Steve Smith batting well scored 55 runs in just 42 balls and Green also played a good inning of 34 runs in just 26 balls and reached the total to 160 plus.

Netherland bowling very outstanding in this match especially Roelof van der Merwe the star with the ball in the first innings by picking up 3 Crusial wickets just giving 12 runs in just 3 overs. Van Beek also picked up 2 important wickets by giving 35 runs in 5 overs with the Economy rate of 7.0. I think the Netherland have some chance of winning this match against big team Australia. The Netherlands managed to take 7 Australia wickets in the first inning Now They need to chase down 167 in 23 overs to win this warm-up Match.

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Australia vs Netherlands Warm up match

After the delaying due to rain now match lived Australia against Netherlands team. I suppose that pitch is not favor to Australia team in today. I am also very surprising to see the performance of Netherlands in bowling lineup very tremendous. At this time, Australia team players like Josh Inglis batsman out by Logan van Beek in 0 runs, Alex Carey out by Roelof van der Merwe after scoring 28 runs and Glenn Maxwell out by Shariz Ahmed only scoring 5 runs. In this match, total 23 overs will be played and Australia team played 12 overs and made 87 runs and total 3 wickets lost. Now current batsman of Australia played in pitch Steve Smith complete his half century and other one is Cameron Green made 5 runs off 8 balls.

With the match starting after rain, the Australian batsmen are currently under a lot of pressure, the Netherlands bowling line is excellent at the moment. Australia's batting today is really bad due to which they have already lost 6 wickets which is a loss for the team. Today's match is in favor of the Netherlands due to which Australia is not able to match Netherlands today and Australia is not showing good batting performance. Maybe it is doubtful whether Australia can play 25 overs today as they are unable to hold on to wickets and their runs are not increasing due to the fall of wickets soon. Today may be the most entertaining match for the Netherlands due to rain, their bowling performance is excellent which makes the game more interesting. At the moment, Australia have scored 138 runs in 19.1 overs and lost 6 wickets, which may not give the Australian team a win in today's match.

The first warm-up match between India vs England was abandoned due to rain but the match between Australia and the Netherlands went on, although the field umpire decided to play 23 overs due to rain.
I have been watching the Netherlands vs Australia match since the beginning and I have liked Netherlands' bowling since the beginning. They have been able to hold back a team like Australia. Where at the moment Australia's runs would have been close to 180 to 200, Australia managed to score only 152 runs for 6 wickets. The 6 batsmen who got out were not out because of any bad ball but because of the great bowling of the Netherlands bowlers.
Australia is very old in cricket and winning is their anthem so I would like Netherlands to win this match as they qualify for ODI World Cup for the first time.

Australia managed to collect 166 runs in 23 overs, i am actually not worried that Australia have given a target of 167 runs. I am worried because Australia lost 7 wickets to collect 166 runs. It is difficult for Australian batsmen to stay at the crease against a team like Netherlands. So how can they win against big teams like England or India and become world champions!! Australia's chances of qualifying for the finals in this year's World Cup seem very low to me.

Apart from Steven Smith and Cameron Green, no other batsman can play better today. Smith got out with 55 runs off 42 balls and Green 34 off 26 balls. Maybe Australia will win by giving a target of 167 runs, however I am not satisfied with their performance.

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Australia vs Netherlands Warm up match

After the delaying due to rain now match lived Australia against Netherlands team. I suppose that pitch is not favor to Australia team in today. I am also very surprising to see the performance of Netherlands in bowling lineup very tremendous. At this time, Australia team players like Josh Inglis batsman out by Logan van Beek in 0 runs, Alex Carey out by Roelof van der Merwe after scoring 28 runs and Glenn Maxwell out by Shariz Ahmed only scoring 5 runs. In this match, total 23 overs will be played and Australia team played 12 overs and made 87 runs and total 3 wickets lost. Now current batsman of Australia played in pitch Steve Smith complete his half century and other one is Cameron Green made 5 runs off 8 balls.

With the match starting after rain, the Australian batsmen are currently under a lot of pressure, the Netherlands bowling line is excellent at the moment. Australia's batting today is really bad due to which they have already lost 6 wickets which is a loss for the team. Today's match is in favor of the Netherlands due to which Australia is not able to match Netherlands today and Australia is not showing good batting performance. Maybe it is doubtful whether Australia can play 25 overs today as they are unable to hold on to wickets and their runs are not increasing due to the fall of wickets soon. Today may be the most entertaining match for the Netherlands due to rain, their bowling performance is excellent which makes the game more interesting. At the moment, Australia have scored 138 runs in 19.1 overs and lost 6 wickets, which may not give the Australian team a win in today's match.

The first warm-up match between India vs England was abandoned due to rain but the match between Australia and the Netherlands went on, although the field umpire decided to play 23 overs due to rain.

I have been watching the Netherlands vs Australia match since the beginning and I have liked Netherlands' bowling since the beginning. They have been able to hold back a team like Australia. Where at the moment Australia's runs would have been close to 180 to 200, Australia managed to score only 152 runs for 6 wickets. The 6 batsmen who got out were not out because of any bad ball but because of the great bowling of the Netherlands bowlers.

Australia is very old in cricket and winning is their anthem so I would like Netherlands to win this match as they qualify for ODI World Cup for the first time.

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Quote from: Unknown Op on September 30, 2023, 09:34:49 AM

Australia vs Netherlands Warm up match

After the delaying due to rain now match lived Australia against Netherlands team. I suppose that pitch is not favor to Australia team in today. I am also very surprising to see the performance of Netherlands in bowling lineup very tremendous. At this time, Australia team players like Josh Inglis batsman out by Logan van Beek in 0 runs, Alex Carey out by Roelof van der Merwe after scoring 28 runs and Glenn Maxwell out by Shariz Ahmed only scoring 5 runs. In this match, total 23 overs will be played and Australia team played 12 overs and made 87 runs and total 3 wickets lost. Now current batsman of Australia played in pitch Steve Smith complete his half century and other one is Cameron Green made 5 runs off 8 balls.

With the match starting after rain, the Australian batsmen are currently under a lot of pressure, the Netherlands bowling line is excellent at the moment. Australia's batting today is really bad due to which they have already lost 6 wickets which is a loss for the team. Today's match is in favor of the Netherlands due to which Australia is not able to match Netherlands today and Australia is not showing good batting performance. Maybe it is doubtful whether Australia can play 25 23 overs today as they are unable to hold on to wickets and their runs are not increasing due to the fall of wickets soon. Today may be the most entertaining match for the Netherlands due to rain, their bowling performance is excellent which makes the game more interesting. At the moment, Australia have scored 138 runs in 19.1 overs and lost 6 wickets, which may not give the Australian team a win in today's match.

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The toy tigers are back in form again in a valueless match. Usually, they play well on Indian grounds and their home grounds. They play worst if their top order fails, they play good if their top order score runs. Junior Tamim and Liton Das gave a flying start to the team and they are leading so far. Junior Tamim going back to the pavilion while I am writing and another batter comes and goes Cheesy

I won't be surprised if they get packed up within the next five overs scoring twenty more runs and lose the match from this point. They did it a couple of times before. But I hope it won't happen today.

As a Bangladeshi fan you may have such hatred towards Bangladesh but you should not have any grudge against Bangladesh for the way Bangladesh performed in the warm-up match against Sri Lanka.
Although a win or loss in this match will not have any impact on the World Cup, a win like this before the start of the World Cup will do a lot for Bangladesh's confidence, especially as Junior Tamim will surely find the confidence to play well in the next match. We all have our own team, no matter how much we hate our team, when our country plays, we sit down in front of the TV to watch the game.

After finishing the first warm-up match well, Bangladesh is definitely ready for the second warm-up match, Bangladesh will play the second and last warm-up match against England on the next two dates.

I agree with you and I really like your post. I am a pure Bangladeshi so I definitely want the Bangladesh team under the leadership of Shakib to play very well in the upcoming World Cup. Bangladesh beat Sri Lanka by 7 wickets in the preparation match of Bangladesh with Sri Lanka. This victory is very positive for Bangladesh. Even though it was a warm-up match, I would say that Bangladesh team played well, so if they can play with confidence, if every player of Bangladesh can play well, they will definitely do well in the World Cup. Bangladesh have warm up match against England on 2nd probably it will be their last warm up match hope Bangladesh will play very well against England. Best of luck to Bangladesh team.

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Quote from: Unknown Op on September 30, 2023, 09:34:49 AM

Australia vs Netherlands Warm up match

After the delaying due to rain now match lived Australia against Netherlands team. I suppose that pitch is not favor to Australia team in today. I am also very surprising to see the performance of Netherlands in bowling lineup very tremendous. At this time, Australia team players like Josh Inglis batsman out by Logan van Beek in 0 runs, Alex Carey out by Roelof van der Merwe after scoring 28 runs and Glenn Maxwell out by Shariz Ahmed only scoring 5 runs. In this match, total 23 overs will be played and Australia team played 12 overs and made 87 runs and total 3 wickets lost. Now current batsman of Australia played in pitch Steve Smith complete his half century and other one is Cameron Green made 5 runs off 8 balls.

I was looking forward to watching India vs England warm up match. But the match was abandoned due to rain.

Australia is a very strong team against Netherlands. It is already predicted that Australia will win this match. In 23 overs I thought Australia would set a target of around 200. Because Australia's batting order is very strong, on the other hand, Netherlands' bowling line-up is weak. Australia collected 129 runs in 18 overs. They have been able to collect an average of more than 7 runs per over. Australia is still likely to collect around 200. But the team lost four wickets. Josh English and Maxwell are not playing well. Inglis failed to collect any runs while Maxwell collected only 5 runs. These two batsmen should have performed well against a team like Netherlands.

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