ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! - page 108.

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Quote from: MusaPk on September 25, 2023, 04:32:51 AM

Pakistan got a blow just before the start of ODI world cup as Naseem Shah got injured. Hassan Ali was included in place of injured Naseem Shah. Pakistan bowling is stable but its there batting that is inconsistent and not performing. We saw in Asia Cup Pakistan batters failing miserably throughout. Pakistan batting is heavily relying on Babar Azam and if Babar fails to deliver the rest of batters also fail to deliver.

Hasan Ali is not in good form recently. They have included Mohammad Wasim Jr. as well in the squad, while Shaheen Afridi and Haris Rauf are likely to open the bowling for Pakistan. Spin department will be led by Usama Mir, Mohammad Nawaz and Shadab Khan. Overall, Pakistan bowling looks quite decent even without Naseem Shah, but there are gaps here and there. And in the batting department, apart from Babar Azam, senior players such as Mohammad Rizwan and Fakhar Zaman also need to step up their game.

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Quote from: MusaPk on September 25, 2023, 04:32:51 AM

Pakistan got a blow just before the start of ODI world cup as Naseem Shah got injured. Hassan Ali was included in place of injured Naseem Shah. Pakistan bowling is stable but its there batting that is inconsistent and not performing. We saw in Asia Cup Pakistan batters failing miserably throughout. Pakistan batting is heavily relying on Babar Azam and if Babar fails to deliver the rest of batters also fail to deliver.

Babar Azam is the key to Pakistan batting there is no doubt about it. The opening pair is not reliable, I accept it. Still, Pakistan has a good middle order, Rizwan and Iftikar can create havoc. What they lack is consistent performance, they both tend to forget sometime that they can rotate runs. What I have seen is that they both have a habit to go after the bowlers. They don't rely on singles or doubles, they only rely on big hits, which causes them to lose their wickets.

I might be wrong in judging them as I am not an expert. I still think rather than the batting, bowling is a concern for Pakistan. It is a possibility that the new bowlers might be far better than those who have experience in bowling for Pakistan.

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Quote from: Bureau on September 25, 2023, 03:42:18 AM

Yes, everyone is waiting to see how the Pakistan team performs against New Zealand. The New Zealand team is playing a bilateral series against Bangladesh now. They are leading the series, which can change as Bangladesh is playing in their home ground. The warm-up match between Pakistan and New Zealand would be played in India, it would be a different scenario for both the teams. I am eager to watch how Pakistan's new bowling attack looks with the inclusion of new bowlers in the team.

Pakistan got a blow just before the start of ODI world cup as Naseem Shah got injured. Hassan Ali was included in place of injured Naseem Shah. Pakistan bowling is stable but its there batting that is inconsistent and not performing. We saw in Asia Cup Pakistan batters failing miserably throughout. Pakistan batting is heavily relying on Babar Azam and if Babar fails to deliver the rest of batters also fail to deliver.

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Quote from: Shumyl on September 25, 2023, 02:37:00 AM

A few days are left for the ICC WORLD CUP 2023. Warm-up matches will start on 29th September 2023. The first warm-up match will be between Pakistan vs New Zealand. Both teams are good + amazing.

Yes, everyone is waiting to see how the Pakistan team performs against New Zealand. The New Zealand team is playing a bilateral series against Bangladesh now. They are leading the series, which can change as Bangladesh is playing in their home ground. The warm-up match between Pakistan and New Zealand would be played in India, it would be a different scenario for both the teams. I am eager to watch how Pakistan's new bowling attack looks with the inclusion of new bowlers in the team.

Quote from: eaLiTy on September 24, 2023, 10:21:01 AM

Everything is lining up for India before the World Cup, there is no major injury concerns, everyone is back in form and even the second string side could win the World cup with the way things are shaping up for India, Suryakumar Yadav, Ruturaj Gaikwad or even KL Rahul might not get a spot in the playing eleven during the World Cup and Mohammed Shami might be the back up bowler if Mohammed Siraj or Jasprit Bumrah gets injured Shocked

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Last two games against Australia, SKY has performed way better then what he was earlier in the one day format. Yesterday he was at his best , he destroyed Green with his 4 sixes in one over. I do not think he would excluded from the playing 11 in the world cup. He is known to change the outcome of any match with his aggressive batting. Rahul Dravid would be facing real issue to decide who has to be in the team and who has to be in the bench.

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A few days are left for the ICC WORLD CUP 2023. Warm-up matches will start on 29th September 2023. The first warm-up match will be between Pakistan vs New Zealand. Both teams are good + amazing.

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The way Shubhman Gill has been batting I don't think Babar Azam would be able to hold to the number one position in ICC ranking. After yesterday's century he has 5 centuries already this year. SKY has shown a lot of improvement in one day format. Another back to back 50s from him and yesterday he was in his actual self. 4 sixes in a over was too much for Green to handle.

I was impressed with the batting skills of Abbott down the order. He made those sixes & fours so easy in the end, a total of 5 sixes were hit by him. He was not so good with the ball but was impressive with the bat. A one sided match and with this win India has won the bilateral series.

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Quote from: MusaPk on September 24, 2023, 12:11:38 PM

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It seem the way both Gill and Iyer are batting today. India might score more that 300 runs for Australia as a target. The current run rate is above 7.5 and I expect it to go above 8 after these two score their individual centuries. Again an excellent batting by Shubhman Gill, he has bee consistent with his bat. After this match he might become the number one batter in ODI format. It would be a great achievement by this young guys in his career.

There is 200 runs partnership between Gill and Lyer today and that's the reason India gave a target of 400 runs to Aussies. Only two Aussie batsmen, Warner and Abbot were able to score 50s today rest of the batting failed to score runs today. With this victory India have won the three match ODI series. India showing there strength just before the start of WC.

Australia bowling performance was very poor in this match they only picked 5 wickets by giving 399 runs in 50 overs. Australia needs to improve his bowling strength because they lost back to back 2 series one from South Africa and now one from india. India has a very strong team in bowling and batting. The Player of the Match Shreyas Iyer has been a brilliant batter at No. 3 for India and scored 105 runs in the last match, with five fifties and a century in his 11 innings amazing player he is. Australia has lost 5 consecutive ODIs in a row. I think Australia has the ability to come back stronger and win the 3rd ODI Match to Avoid Whitewash.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 24, 2023, 05:19:59 AM

It seem the way both Gill and Iyer are batting today. India might score more that 300 runs for Australia as a target. The current run rate is above 7.5 and I expect it to go above 8 after these two score their individual centuries. Again an excellent batting by Shubhman Gill, he has bee consistent with his bat. After this match he might become the number one batter in ODI format. It would be a great achievement by this young guys in his career.

There is 200 runs partnership between Gill and Lyer today and that's the reason India gave a target of 400 runs to Aussies. Only two Aussie batsmen, Warner and Abbot were able to score 50s today rest of the batting failed to score runs today. With this victory India have won the three match ODI series. India showing there strength just before the start of WC.

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Quote from: Bureau on September 24, 2023, 06:14:51 AM

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Both batters reached their 100s in this match, 5 centuries by Gill this year. Iyer was struggling due to a cramp, managed to get his hundred but got out after it. The game is controlled by the Indian batters, Australian bowlers are looking helpless. In all cases, if nothing goes wrong India will give Australia a big target to chase. I do not think it will be easy for them to chase a big target considering the bowling attack India has against them. Shubhman Gill should try to play till the end of this match, if he does then he can get a double century.

Everything is lining up for India before the World Cup, there is no major injury concerns, everyone is back in form and even the second string side could win the World cup with the way things are shaping up for India, Suryakumar Yadav, Ruturaj Gaikwad or even KL Rahul might not get a spot in the playing eleven during the World Cup and Mohammed Shami might be the back up bowler if Mohammed Siraj or Jasprit Bumrah gets injured Shocked

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 23, 2023, 10:07:34 PM

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No matter how much Kohli and his proxies like Hardik and Rohit tried during their respective captaincies, they could never achieve what Dhoni achieved.

You cannot compare anyone to MSD, he was one of the best captains in the World who showed he can take a young team to a major event and win the first T20 World cup when even the hardcore fans had zero expectations and the best India will have in a very long time, once in a generation kind of player.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 24, 2023, 05:19:59 AM

It seem the way both Gill and Iyer are batting today. India might score more that 300 runs for Australia as a target. The current run rate is above 7.5 and I expect it to go above 8 after these two score their individual centuries. Again an excellent batting by Shubhman Gill, he has bee consistent with his bat. After this match he might become the number one batter in ODI format. It would be a great achievement by this young guys in his career.

Both batters reached their 100s in this match, 5 centuries by Gill this year. Iyer was struggling due to a cramp, managed to get his hundred but got out after it. The game is controlled by the Indian batters, Australian bowlers are looking helpless. In all cases, if nothing goes wrong India will give Australia a big target to chase. I do not think it will be easy for them to chase a big target considering the bowling attack India has against them. Shubhman Gill should try to play till the end of this match, if he does then he can get a double century.

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It seem the way both Gill and Iyer are batting today. India might score more that 300 runs for Australia as a target. The current run rate is above 7.5 and I expect it to go above 8 after these two score their individual centuries. Again an excellent batting by Shubhman Gill, he has bee consistent with his bat. After this match he might become the number one batter in ODI format. It would be a great achievement by this young guys in his career.

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Sreesanth?

Zaheer Khan was the highest wicket taker in the 2011 WC for India, followed by Yuvraj. Sreesanth came in 3rd and he was wicketless in the finals, also didn't even play in the semis.

It was Yuvraj's brilliance with the bat and ball. Zaheer as a strike bowler, Gambhir with his crucial match-winning innings and finishing touch of Dhoni.

Yeah.. just checked the scorecard and realized that he didn't played in QF and SF matches. I might have got confused with some other tournament. The pace attack for 2011 tournament was led by Zaheer Khan, with Ashish Nehra and Munaf Patel backing him up. These bowlers were quite efficient and Sreesanth got a chance only when one of them got injured. BTW, this was perhaps the only major ICC tournament where three of Australia's fastest bowlers bowled together - Brett Lee, Shaun Tait and Mitchell Johnson.

Happens sometimes, at least you didn't say that it was only Dhoni, who was solely responsible for winning the WC for India lol

We are living in an era of franchise rivalry. Dhoni vs Gambhir vs Kohli vs Rohit and so on. Tbh, it's a very toxic environment in social media due to the PR ecosystem and that's why these sorts of comparisons dominate the narratives.

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India VS Australia

The second match in this bilateral series has started. Australia won the toss and opted to ball first. Jasprit Bumrah and Pat Cummins are not playing today. They have been replaced by Prasidh Krishna and Spencer Johnson.

I think giving rest to the star bowlers of respective teams was a good decision. Testing new one before the world cup keeps them ready for the actual action. India has already one the first match and would like to seal a victory today to win the bilateral series. Australia would try to level the series by winning today's game.

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Looks like today is MD Shamis day in the ongoing match. He has taken 4 wickets and is bowling his last over. I felt he can get 5 wickets today, which he did in his last over. India has maintained the pressure on the Australian batters, a few disappointment on the field as an important catch of Warner was dropped. The target for India should be below 280 runs which is actually good to chase on Mohali pitch. I feel the Indian batters would be able to chase this target as Mohali has been always a high scoring pitch.

Since this year's World Cup will be held in India. As the Indian team is currently in their best performance. Besides, the team's bowlers are performing exceptionally well, so it can be expected that India will do something great in this World Cup.

With the performance shown by India in the last Asia Cup, none other than Australia could have been imagined as India's competitive team for the World Cup. But from what we see in the Australia - India series, there is no stronger team than India at the moment. Indian openers have been batting well in almost every match. They also showed great performance in bowling. In Australia and India series, India beat the target of 276 runs set by Australia by losing 5 wickets and winning the match with 8 balls in hand. There is a high probability of getting the same result in the next match.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 23, 2023, 11:04:04 PM

Sreesanth?

Zaheer Khan was the highest wicket taker in the 2011 WC for India, followed by Yuvraj. Sreesanth came in 3rd and he was wicketless in the finals, also didn't even play in the semis.

It was Yuvraj's brilliance with the bat and ball. Zaheer as a strike bowler, Gambhir with his crucial match-winning innings and finishing touch of Dhoni.

Yeah.. just checked the scorecard and realized that he didn't played in QF and SF matches. I might have got confused with some other tournament. The pace attack for 2011 tournament was led by Zaheer Khan, with Ashish Nehra and Munaf Patel backing him up. These bowlers were quite efficient and Sreesanth got a chance only when one of them got injured. BTW, this was perhaps the only major ICC tournament where three of Australia's fastest bowlers bowled together - Brett Lee, Shaun Tait and Mitchell Johnson.

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The problem is that while doing all these "mind-games", Kohli sometimes behaves like a baboon. Cricket is like 90% skills and 10% mind-games. Jokers like Kohli want it to be 90% mind-games and 10% skills. And no matter how much "psychological advancement" they gain before the world cup, I don't think that India is going to win the trophy as long as Kohli is in the team. He is the eternal panauti for the Indian national team. India will have a better chance once he retires. And Kohli will be known as the player who has never won a major ICC tournament for India.

India is a team that always performs well on home ground. There strength is there batting and they have wickets that are pro-batting. India recent performance in Asia cup also prove that they are way ahead of Pak, SL and Bangladesh. Kohli was part of Indian squad that won 2011 ODI world cup but he was not that much popular at that time as he was today.

India will play at least the semi-finals in the World Cup 2023 tournament. The fans of their country will give strength to India in all aspects in this World Cup. When 70 to 80 percent of the fans in a stadium are Indian, it will be very difficult for the opposition to perform in these conditions and the fans will give India a lot of encouragement. Every year IPL or other domestic leagues are held in different stadiums in India as well as various bilateral series India hosts in their different stadiums so the Indian conditions and previous experience of playing in different stadiums regularly will definitely put Indians ahead of other teams.
India has already announced the World Cup squad where BCCI has arranged the team with the best cricketers.

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Spoiler alert, Virat Kohli was a team member and played in the finals of 2011 ODI World Cup final when India won the entire tournament. There is no debate about the consistency of Virat Kohli in any format, the only issue i have with him is not winning the IPL playing for Bangalore even with one of the best players they have in their side. If you really think Kohli is 90% mind games who are the players you think are better than him during his generation.

I was saying that Kohli didn't contributed much to India winning the world cup in 2011. It was Yuvraj Singh, Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Sreesanth who gave the world cup to India after such a big gap. No matter how much Kohli and his proxies like Hardik and Rohit tried during their respective captaincies, they could never achieve what Dhoni achieved. Anyway, now these two (Virat and Rohit) are approaching their retirement age. it is now or never. 2023 ODI World Cup probably represents the last opportunity for them to win a major ICC trophy.

Sreesanth?

Zaheer Khan was the highest wicket taker in the 2011 WC for India, followed by Yuvraj. Sreesanth came in 3rd and he was wicketless in the finals, also didn't even play in the semis.

It was Yuvraj's brilliance with the bat and ball. Zaheer as a strike bowler, Gambhir with his crucial match-winning innings and finishing touch of Dhoni.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 23, 2023, 04:23:05 PM

Spoiler alert, Virat Kohli was a team member and played in the finals of 2011 ODI World Cup final when India won the entire tournament. There is no debate about the consistency of Virat Kohli in any format, the only issue i have with him is not winning the IPL playing for Bangalore even with one of the best players they have in their side. If you really think Kohli is 90% mind games who are the players you think are better than him during his generation.

I was saying that Kohli didn't contributed much to India winning the world cup in 2011. It was Yuvraj Singh, Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Sreesanth who gave the world cup to India after such a big gap. No matter how much Kohli and his proxies like Hardik and Rohit tried during their respective captaincies, they could never achieve what Dhoni achieved. Anyway, now these two (Virat and Rohit) are approaching their retirement age. it is now or never. 2023 ODI World Cup probably represents the last opportunity for them to win a major ICC trophy.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 23, 2023, 09:19:47 AM

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The problem is that while doing all these "mind-games", Kohli sometimes behaves like a baboon. Cricket is like 90% skills and 10% mind-games. Jokers like Kohli want it to be 90% mind-games and 10% skills. And no matter how much "psychological advancement" they gain before the world cup, I don't think that India is going to win the trophy as long as Kohli is in the team. He is the eternal panauti for the Indian national team. India will have a better chance once he retires. And Kohli will be known as the player who has never won a major ICC tournament for India.

Spoiler alert, Virat Kohli was a team member and played in the finals of 2011 ODI World Cup final when India won the entire tournament. There is no debate about the consistency of Virat Kohli in any format, the only issue i have with him is not winning the IPL playing for Bangalore even with one of the best players they have in their side. If you really think Kohli is 90% mind games who are the players you think are better than him during his generation.

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Quote from: MusaPk on September 23, 2023, 12:08:31 PM

India is a team that always performs well on home ground. There strength is there batting and they have wickets that are pro-batting. India recent performance in Asia cup also prove that they are way ahead of Pak, SL and Bangladesh. Kohli was part of Indian squad that won 2011 ODI world cup but he was not that much popular at that time as he was today.

I remember the 2011 tournament. It was Yuvraj Singh, who won the trophy for India. India needed 275 to win against Sri Lanka, and Gautam Gambhir's 97 and an unbeaten 91 from Mahendra Singh Dhoni guided India to an easy win. During the tournament, Yuvraj picked up 15 wickets, and scored a total of 362 runs (including 21 not out in the final match). Kohli was also there, but his contribution in the final was a 49-ball 35. And I guess that was the last time that India won a major ICC tournament. It has been more than 12 years now.

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