Surprised that Pakistan managed to get 270 while they were struggling early on with wickets falling consistently up top. Being down 129-4 with not a ton of batting coming up. Saud Shakeel and Shadab Khan stabilized the innings and helped Pakistan to a respectable total. South Africa's batting has looked quite solid other than one freak of a game against Netherlands. They look on the money to chase down anything around 300 or above comfortably. Will see if the Pakistani bowlers can finally step up and give their side a much much needed win. I'd still give an advantage to RSA at the 1st innings break.
Edit: My eariler message didnt go through and I just noticed. I guess it still stands. Definitely Advantage RSA now, being up 188/4 in 29 overs. Makram and Miller are the reliable middle order batsmen that would fit into any team in the world right now. Is this curtains for Pakistan's World cup ambitions?
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Pakistan at 267-8, they still have 5 overs left and RR is fine but they don't have any batters left. As long as Nawaz is playing, they have hope 300, which would be a good total against SA.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
271 is the target for RSA to chase and the way this wicket is not turning out it will be easy for their batter to chase. If Pakistan can get an early breakthrough then they would have a chance to win the game. Spinners will again play a crucial role but the question is does Pakistan have enough runs on the scoreboard to defend their target? I am not confident with 270 runs as I feel a target of 300 runs would have given them a good advantage today.
Pakistan at 267-8, they still have 5 overs left and RR is fine but they don't have any batters left. As long as Nawaz is playing, they have hope 300, which would be a good total against SA.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
271 is the target for RSA to chase and the way this wicket is not turning out it will be easy for their batter to chase. If Pakistan can get an early breakthrough then they would have a chance to win the game. Spinners will again play a crucial role but the question is does Pakistan have enough runs on the scoreboard to defend their target? I am not confident with 270 runs as I feel a target of 300 runs would have given them a good advantage today.
South African run rate has dropped after Quinton de Kock got out to the bowling of Shaheen Shah Afridi. Temba Bavuma and Rassie van der Dussen are at the crease and both of them are in poor form. Anyway, it will be better for them to dig in and build a good partnership rather than becoming too adventurous. Getting full 2 points from this match should be a priority for South Africa, rather than maintaining their net run rate. If they lose a couple of quick wickets, then things can really get interesting, as this match is is being played by two teams who have the reputation as chokers.
Pakistan at 267-8, they still have 5 overs left and RR is fine but they don't have any batters left. As long as Nawaz is playing, they have hope 300, which would be a good total against SA.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
Pakistan set a target of 270 runs and all out in just 47th Overs Not a huge, but not a bad total for Pakistan. Babar and Shakeel scored both fifties, cameos from Shadab and Nawaz helped Pakistan reach 270. South Africa aren’t known for good chasing nowadays so much. So the match is not over yet. Marco Jansen took 3 wickets and Gerald Coetzee took 2 wickets showcased their pace bowling brilliance against Pakistan. Tabraiz Shamsi is the pick of the bowlers for South Africa so took 4/60 excellent bowling spell and Restricted Pakistan to 270.I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
Pakistan at 267-8, they still have 5 overs left and RR is fine but they don't have any batters left. As long as Nawaz is playing, they have hope 300, which would be a good total against SA.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
Pakistan get all out for 270 I was hoping that today's match might be that Pakistan can play full overs but bad luck Pakistan can't play full overs again. I think the target of 271 runs is not too big for South Africa. If Pakistan could score 300 plus runs, Pakistan could have won today's match. Pakistan batsmen could not bat very well. So now Pakistan bowlers should go closer to winning today's match with their good bowling. South Africa's current score is 34 runs for 1 wicket in 3 overs. In the end, it is now to be seen how many runs Pakistan can stop South Africa. I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
Pakistan didn't play their full quota so one would think that Saffa's bowlers did a fine job but i'd argue they were sloppy with their bowling and gave plenty of freebies.
They leaked 19 extra with 11 wides and leggie Shamsi bowling no balls. Seamers bowling no ball is justifiable but for spinners, it's blasphemy and Proteas spinners also have a habit of bowling one dolly per over. They were lucky today because Pakistani batters love to play dot but in the future, this would cost SA too much if they continue to do this against top teams.
From Pakistan's POV, it seems like no batters want to take any responsibility, literally everyone got the start but failed to convert into a big one. One of the reasons the scorecard reads 270 and not 300.
They leaked 19 extra with 11 wides and leggie Shamsi bowling no balls. Seamers bowling no ball is justifiable but for spinners, it's blasphemy and Proteas spinners also have a habit of bowling one dolly per over. They were lucky today because Pakistani batters love to play dot but in the future, this would cost SA too much if they continue to do this against top teams.
From Pakistan's POV, it seems like no batters want to take any responsibility, literally everyone got the start but failed to convert into a big one. One of the reasons the scorecard reads 270 and not 300.
Pakistan at 267-8, they still have 5 overs left and RR is fine but they don't have any batters left. As long as Nawaz is playing, they have hope 300, which would be a good total against SA.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
271 is the target for RSA to chase and the way this wicket is not turning out it will be easy for their batter to chase. If Pakistan can get an early breakthrough then they would have a chance to win the game. Spinners will again play a crucial role but the question is does Pakistan have enough runs on the scoreboard to defend their target? I am not confident with 270 runs as I feel a target of 300 runs would have given them a good advantage today.
Pakistan at 267-8, they still have 5 overs left and RR is fine but they don't have any batters left. As long as Nawaz is playing, they have hope 300, which would be a good total against SA.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
I have doubts if SA will win today or not, all their high scores came while batting first, they are such a fail in this tourney when chasing as we saw them against the Netherlands.
Saud Shakeel's innings was the reason why Pakistan was able to cross 200 runs. The way Pakistan's opening and middle order batted if he had not played so well then Pakistan won't stand where it is now. I was not hoping Pakistan to choose to bat first after they won the toss. I felt they should have bowled first and then chased the target. Now I understand why they choose to bat first, as this team lacks the confidence to chase runs. If South Africa had batted first they might have gone beyond 300 runs which would have been difficult for the Pakistan batter.
That's one shitty tweet that tells you more about the average Pakistani fan.
Both teams have more or less the same kind of spin attack. SA's spin department went under the radar because of seamers/batters success, let's see how they perform in the middle phase of the inning when they are bowling first and don't have the luxury of a mammoth total.
Both teams have more or less the same kind of spin attack. SA's spin department went under the radar because of seamers/batters success, let's see how they perform in the middle phase of the inning when they are bowling first and don't have the luxury of a mammoth total.
Once again the South African seamers gave them a good start, with Marco Jansen picking up Abdullah Shafique and Imam-ul-Haq. Then Mohammad Rizwan was nabbed by the South African find for this tournament, Gerald Coetzee. Now it is up to the two spinners - Keshav Maharaj and Tabraiz Shamsi to build on their success, with Aiden Markram as the backup. Babar Azam is looking comfortable so far, but Iftikhar Ahmed seems struggling. Now it is going OK for Pakistan, but if they lose one more wicket before they reach 150-160, then it will get difficult for them.
That's one shitty tweet that tells you more about the average Pakistani fan.
Both teams have more or less the same kind of spin attack. SA's spin department went under the radar because of seamers/batters success, let's see how they perform in the middle phase of the inning when they are bowling first and don't have the luxury of a mammoth total.
Both teams have more or less the same kind of spin attack. SA's spin department went under the radar because of seamers/batters success, let's see how they perform in the middle phase of the inning when they are bowling first and don't have the luxury of a mammoth total.
Once again the South African seamers gave them a good start, with Marco Jansen picking up Abdullah Shafique and Imam-ul-Haq. Then Mohammad Rizwan was nabbed by the South African find for this tournament, Gerald Coetzee. Now it is up to the two spinners - Keshav Maharaj and Tabraiz Shamsi to build on their success, with Aiden Markram as the backup. Babar Azam is looking comfortable so far, but Iftikhar Ahmed seems struggling. Now it is going OK for Pakistan, but if they lose one more wicket before they reach 150-160, then it will get difficult for them.
So far, Pakistan are playing bad cricket, and South Africa are almost on the moon and looks like a completely different side. Still, this very same Proteas outfit choked against the Dutch and in the last T-20 WC managed to lose the semis seat to the Pakistani team so anything is possible with these 2 teams.
Pakistan's only hope would be some assistance with the deck to their bowlers where they can trap one of SENA countries. I don't see them winning if their bowlers fail again.
Pakistan's only hope would be some assistance with the deck to their bowlers where they can trap one of SENA countries. I don't see them winning if their bowlers fail again.
They don't have a quality spinner and despite repeated failures, they are not going to drop Shadab Khan and Usama Mir. Shaheen Shah Afridi has completely lost his rhythm and there is no one to back him up as Haris Rauf and Hasan Ali are also out of form. They may experiment with Mohammad Wasim today, but I am not sure whether he will make a difference. Their batting isn't much better either. Babar Azam has scored a grand total of 157 runs, at an average of 31.40. Mohammad Rizwan and Abdullah Shafique have runs to their name, but the strike rate is low.
BTW, this tweet sums up the frustration of Pakistani fans:
https://twitter.com/ShortCover_/status/1711690825401250084
Both teams have more or less the same kind of spin attack. SA's spin department went under the radar because of seamers/batters success, let's see how they perform in the middle phase of the inning when they are bowling first and don't have the luxury of a mammoth total.
So far, Pakistan are playing bad cricket, and South Africa are almost on the moon and looks like a completely different side. Still, this very same Proteas outfit choked against the Dutch and in the last T-20 WC managed to lose the semis seat to the Pakistani team so anything is possible with these 2 teams.
Pakistan's only hope would be some assistance with the deck to their bowlers where they can trap one of SENA countries. I don't see them winning if their bowlers fail again.
Pakistan's only hope would be some assistance with the deck to their bowlers where they can trap one of SENA countries. I don't see them winning if their bowlers fail again.
They don't have a quality spinner and despite repeated failures, they are not going to drop Shadab Khan and Usama Mir. Shaheen Shah Afridi has completely lost his rhythm and there is no one to back him up as Haris Rauf and Hasan Ali are also out of form. They may experiment with Mohammad Wasim today, but I am not sure whether he will make a difference. Their batting isn't much better either. Babar Azam has scored a grand total of 157 runs, at an average of 31.40. Mohammad Rizwan and Abdullah Shafique have runs to their name, but the strike rate is low.
BTW, this tweet sums up the frustration of Pakistani fans:
https://twitter.com/ShortCover_/status/1711690825401250084
So far, Pakistan are playing bad cricket, and South Africa are almost on the moon and looks like a completely different side. Still, this very same Proteas outfit choked against the Dutch and in the last T-20 WC managed to lose the semis seat to the Pakistani team so anything is possible with these 2 teams.
Pakistan's only hope would be some assistance with the deck to their bowlers where they can trap one of SENA countries. I don't see them winning if their bowlers fail again.
Pakistan's only hope would be some assistance with the deck to their bowlers where they can trap one of SENA countries. I don't see them winning if their bowlers fail again.
Pakistan can make a comeback and that is why they are called an unpredictable side. Another factor would be South Africa getting beaten earlier by the Netherlands. Pakistan was able to chase a big target in the match with Sri Lanka. These might be the factors why the odds are only giving a little edge to the South African team today.
The defeat against Netherlands was a one-off incident. South Africa won all of the other matches by huge margins. On the other hand, Pakistan won just two matches so far, against two of the weakest teams. Against strong teams they have performed poorly. Neither their batsmen, nor their bowlers are in good form. On top of that they have been embroiled in unwanted controversies, which seems to have impacted their performance further. I would say that today's match is going to be quite one-sided. I can't see a possibility of Pakistan winning this one.
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Betting Odds
South Africa - 1.56
Pakistan - 2.496
Do you guys think Pakistan can win today?
Surprising. Most of the sportsbooks still believe that this match will be competitive, with only a slight edge to South Africa. I am not sure. But then, South Africa went down heavily to Netherlands in their only defeat in this tournament so far. And they have a reputation as the eternal chokers (something that is shared with Pakistan as well). The only negative that I could say about South Africa is that they are overdependent on a few players. Some of the batsmen, including Temba Bavuma and Rassie van der Dussen are not contributing at all. Betting Odds
South Africa - 1.56
Pakistan - 2.496
Do you guys think Pakistan can win today?
My guess about this match is if South Africa bat first then Pakistan won't win. South African batsmen are in very good form. If the team bats first they will be able to give a target of more than 350. And the chances of Pakistan winning by batting on such a big target is very low. If Pakistan get to bat first and can set a target of 320 then they have a chance to win. South Africa is a very strong team in this World Cup. The performance of their batsmen impressed everyone. If you want to win against such a team, the batsmen as well as the Pakistani bowlers must do well. In the last match we saw a poor performance by the Pakistani bowlers. Looking forward to see Pakistan bowlers prove themselves today.
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Betting Odds
South Africa - 1.56
Pakistan - 2.496
Do you guys think Pakistan can win today?
Betting Odds
South Africa - 1.56
Pakistan - 2.496
Do you guys think Pakistan can win today?
Surprising. Most of the sportsbooks still believe that this match will be competitive, with only a slight edge to South Africa. I am not sure. But then, South Africa went down heavily to Netherlands in their only defeat in this tournament so far. And they have a reputation as the eternal chokers (something that is shared with Pakistan as well). The only negative that I could say about South Africa is that they are overdependent on a few players. Some of the batsmen, including Temba Bavuma and Rassie van der Dussen are not contributing at all.
Pakistan can make a comeback and that is why they are called an unpredictable side. Another factor would be South Africa getting beaten earlier by the Netherlands. Pakistan was able to chase a big target in the match with Sri Lanka. These might be the factors why the odds are only giving a little edge to the South African team today.
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PS: Srilanka won today and as of now they are ranking fifth on the point table. Another big win and they might replace Australia on the point table.
PS: Srilanka won today and as of now they are ranking fifth on the point table. Another big win and they might replace Australia on the point table.
Even if they win their next match (vs Afghanistan) and Australia lose theirs (vs New Zealand), Australia may remain at the top. At this point, Australia has a NRR of +1.142 (received a considerable boost after their massive win against Netherlands). On the other hand, Sri Lanka is having a NRR of -0.205 (this is after their big win against England today). I am not saying that it is impossible for Sri Lanka to overtake Australia, but that is going to take some more time.
We can't take Sri Lanka's win against England as an accident because Sri Lanka are doing well under the new captain. The XI that Sri Lanka fielded at the start of the World Cup was quite different from the XI that won the match against England.
Change of captain, change of several players in the team means that overall Sri Lanka team now seems to be a balance team. Sri Lanka are doing well in batting and bowling but their fielding needs to improve a lot as we can see their fielding weakness all the time. If they can do well in the next few matches with focus on fielding then they will have a chance to play semi-finals.
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Betting Odds
South Africa - 1.56
Pakistan - 2.496
Do you guys think Pakistan can win today?
Betting Odds
South Africa - 1.56
Pakistan - 2.496
Do you guys think Pakistan can win today?
Surprising. Most of the sportsbooks still believe that this match will be competitive, with only a slight edge to South Africa. I am not sure. But then, South Africa went down heavily to Netherlands in their only defeat in this tournament so far. And they have a reputation as the eternal chokers (something that is shared with Pakistan as well). The only negative that I could say about South Africa is that they are overdependent on a few players. Some of the batsmen, including Temba Bavuma and Rassie van der Dussen are not contributing at all.
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