ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! - page 63.

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Quote from: elevates on October 23, 2023, 11:53:12 PM

South Africa - 1.27
Bangladesh - 3.93

Can there be another upset today? Can Bangladesh beat the South African team today?

By seeing betting Odds, Bangladesh far far weaker than south Africa. But many times such comparisons are not useful especially today's match if South Africa's top order batsmen fail then the pace of betting will be different.

A miracle could happen in today's match as South Africa have already lost two wickets. The South African side fell by two wickets of 36 runs if one of Bangladesh's best players, Shakib Al Hasan, was included in the squad. Top spinner Shakib Al Hasan and Mehdi Hasan Miraj are the main reliable all-rounders for Bangladesh in today's match if the spinners are supporting wickets then it will be difficult for South Africa to target above 300 runs.

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Quote from: elevates on October 23, 2023, 11:53:12 PM

Yesterday, we saw how Afghanistan outperformed a big team like Pakistan and created another upset in the World Cup. None of us had expected Pakistan to lose against Afghanistan so badly. Today Bangladesh will be playing against the South African team at Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai. South Africa has lost a match against the Netherlands team. Can Bangladesh defeat South Africa today? As per betting odds, RSA is the favorite team to win today.

Betting Odds

South Africa - 1.27
Bangladesh - 3.93

Can there be another upset today? Can Bangladesh beat the South African team today?

After losing the toss, Bangladesh started fielding. Shakib Al Hasan was hoping to win the toss today before the start of the match but Shakib Al Hasan's hopes were completely failed. However, Bangladesh is performing very well in bowling today, Bangladesh has picked up two wickets with 36 runs in eight overs. However, in today's match, if Bangladesh can pick up South Africa's batting more quickly, then Bangladesh can win this match. South Africa is under a lot of pressure after losing 2 wickets. Hope today Bangladesh will give an unimaginable victory by defeating South Africa.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 23, 2023, 10:59:48 PM

Never expected Pakistan to get defeated by an underdog team like Afghanistan. This defeat will leave a psychological scar in the minds of the Pakistan team, already after their defeat against India they have been losing matches. Until yesterday they have won 2 matches and lost 3, In order to qualify for the semifinals they need to win a minimum of 6 matches. Out of the 4 matches left for them to play in the World Cup, they will be playing against South Africa on the 27th of this month at the same stadium. It won't be an easy game considering the powerful batting lineup South Africa has then they will be playing against Bangladesh followed by NZ and England. If they manage to win two matches out of the four left their chance of qualifying looks bleak for now.

I was expecting an Afghanistan win in the last game because they are very competitive when it comes to playing in spin-friendly conditions. Pakistan's current team is not very good against spin. In the past, we have seen many close contests between the two teams, and Pakistan won those matches with the barest of margins. Afghanistan outsmarted Pakistan in all three departments.
Pakistan's road to the semifinal is very difficult; they have to win all their remaining matches, which seems nearly impossible, looking at the current Pakistan team's form and their opponent's form, but you can't say anything about Pakistan.

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South Africa - 1.27
Bangladesh - 3.93

Netherlands had odds of 10-12 against South Africa, and yet they won that match. And here Bangladesh is being given odds of 3-4. I don't think that these odds are closer to reality. At the most, they should be given the same odds as that of Netherlands, or even worse. So far the only win for Bangladesh came against the weak Afghanistan and they don't stand a chance against South Africa. Their batting is in really poor shape, and the bowlers are being inconsistent. Today, given the odds I would rather pick South Africa.

Betting odds doesn't matter in cricket as a match can turn anytime. Like the one that happened yesterday where the betting odds were almost the same as for today. It all comes to how much pressure a team can take and whether they can put in the skills required to win a game. Bangladesh has been not been good in the World Cup but they have a few good players.

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Never expected Pakistan to get defeated by an underdog team like Afghanistan. This defeat will leave a psychological scar in the minds of the Pakistan team, already after their defeat against India they have been losing matches. Until yesterday they have won 2 matches and lost 3, In order to qualify for the semifinals they need to win a minimum of 6 matches. Out of the 4 matches left for them to play in the World Cup, they will be playing against South Africa on the 27th of this month at the same stadium. It won't be an easy game considering the powerful batting lineup South Africa has then they will be playing against Bangladesh followed by NZ and England. If they manage to win two matches out of the four left their chance of qualifying looks bleak for now.

A small piece of advice to the Pakistani team - they should rather focus on playing instead of doing all that drama on and off the field. They were complaining that someone chanted "Jai Shree Ram" towards one player in Ahmedabad and that was the reason why they couldn't focus. At Chennai, the vast majority of the crowd was chanting "Pakistan Zindabad" and yet they lost the match. Stop complaining first. And then remove the captain. He is good for nothing. His tactics have failed in almost all the matches.

@Sithara007 in addition to all that drama their own media was saying that there’s heavy infighting going on with the Pakistani team and the captain had failed to stop it and when I read that news I had a feeling that they could lose this game. @pakhitheboss personally I’m expecting them to be eliminated soon now because this a team that’s lacking confidence and the motivation to perform at the highest level hence don’t wager on them as I doubt that they’ll win any of their remaining matches.

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Quote from: elevates on October 23, 2023, 11:53:12 PM

South Africa - 1.27
Bangladesh - 3.93

Netherlands had odds of 10-12 against South Africa, and yet they won that match. And here Bangladesh is being given odds of 3-4. I don't think that these odds are closer to reality. At the most, they should be given the same odds as that of Netherlands, or even worse. So far the only win for Bangladesh came against the weak Afghanistan and they don't stand a chance against South Africa. Their batting is in really poor shape, and the bowlers are being inconsistent. Today, given the odds I would rather pick South Africa.

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Yesterday, we saw how Afghanistan outperformed a big team like Pakistan and created another upset in the World Cup. None of us had expected Pakistan to lose against Afghanistan so badly. Today Bangladesh will be playing against the South African team at Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai. South Africa has lost a match against the Netherlands team. Can Bangladesh defeat South Africa today? As per betting odds, RSA is the favorite team to win today.

Betting Odds

South Africa - 1.27
Bangladesh - 3.93

Can there be another upset today? Can Bangladesh beat the South African team today?

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 23, 2023, 10:59:48 PM

Never expected Pakistan to get defeated by an underdog team like Afghanistan. This defeat will leave a psychological scar in the minds of the Pakistan team, already after their defeat against India they have been losing matches. Until yesterday they have won 2 matches and lost 3, In order to qualify for the semifinals they need to win a minimum of 6 matches. Out of the 4 matches left for them to play in the World Cup, they will be playing against South Africa on the 27th of this month at the same stadium. It won't be an easy game considering the powerful batting lineup South Africa has then they will be playing against Bangladesh followed by NZ and England. If they manage to win two matches out of the four left their chance of qualifying looks bleak for now.

A small piece of advice to the Pakistani team - they should rather focus on playing instead of doing all that drama on and off the field. They were complaining that someone chanted "Jai Shree Ram" towards one player in Ahmedabad and that was the reason why they couldn't focus. At Chennai, the vast majority of the crowd was chanting "Pakistan Zindabad" and yet they lost the match. Stop complaining first. And then remove the captain. He is good for nothing. His tactics have failed in almost all the matches.

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Never expected Pakistan to get defeated by an underdog team like Afghanistan. This defeat will leave a psychological scar in the minds of the Pakistan team, already after their defeat against India they have been losing matches. Until yesterday they have won 2 matches and lost 3, In order to qualify for the semifinals they need to win a minimum of 6 matches. Out of the 4 matches left for them to play in the World Cup, they will be playing against South Africa on the 27th of this month at the same stadium. It won't be an easy game considering the powerful batting lineup South Africa has then they will be playing against Bangladesh followed by NZ and England. If they manage to win two matches out of the four left their chance of qualifying looks bleak for now.

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We did not see the expected performance from Pakistan. A target of 283 runs was set aside by them. It is a good enough target considering the pitch. But the bowlers are not doing well. Afghanistan collected 130 runs in the first wicket pair. And they lost their second wicket for just 190 runs. Rahmanullah Gurbaz scored 65 runs and Ibarhim Zadran scored 87 runs. Rahmat Shah remains unbeaten with 32 runs. Afghanistan need only 93 runs. It is not a difficult task.

This match was a great disaster by Pakistani team they have lost the match against a weaker time and now it's proven that they won't be able to stand against South African team in the upcoming match. This time team Pakistan discouraged its fans very bitterly and their poor performance shown that their captain isn't competent enough to manage the team. Team Afghanistan won against team Pakistan which was totally unexpected victory. I thought that Pakistan may show dominance against Afghanistan but they weren't dominant at all.

Afghanistan beat two World Champions in the last three matches. Afghanistan Dream run continues First England, and now Pakistan by 8 wickets. For the first time ever, Afghanistan have won 2 matches in a World Cup edition. Dominated the Afghanistan right from the start of the second innings, responsible batting from the top-4. A historical moment it is for Afghanistan. No century for Ibrahim Zadran Built a massive opening 100 plus partnership with Gurbaz, continued the positive approach even after losing his partner, and now he has done his job 286/2. After a historic win against Pakistan, Afghanistan now moves to sixth place in the points table with two crucial wins with 4 points.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on October 23, 2023, 10:04:27 PM

While other teams take a long time to become a good team after gaining status in ODIs and other formats, Afghanistan have been able to improve very quickly. Afghanistan will probably achieve the highest in this World Cup tournament compared to other World Cups. Afghanistan may not be able to play the semi-finals but it will cause big teams to drop out of the tournament. Afghanistan have two matches ahead where I will see Afghanistan as favourites. Afghanistan will go ahead with wins against Sri Lanka and Netherlands. If they can win against the Netherlands and Afghanistan, they will make it four matches and if they crash in either of the next two matches, Afghanistan will have a chance of making the semi-finals. In the last few years, Afghanistan has made great progress in the Test T20 and ODI 3 formats.

Even if they win against Sri Lanka and Netherlands, it will be difficult for Afghanistan to qualify for the semi-finals. As per my calculation, in order to enter semi-finals each team need to win at least 6 matches. Afghanistan has so far played 5 matches and they have won only 2. That means that they need to win all of their remaining 4 matches, including the next one (vs Sri Lanka). I am not sure whether it will be possible to enter semi-finals with 5 wins. But if there are a few upsets in the coming matches, then even that maybe possible.

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Afghanistan's celebration shows how important this win is to them in the World Cup. Afghanistan played a total of 17 matches against Pakistan in World Cup excluding yesterday's match where only two matches were won by Afghanistan and remaining 15 matches were won by Pakistan. Afghanistan's win over Pakistan by 8 wickets in yesterday's match has changed the equation a bit now that they have won three of their last 18 matches.

From the players to the coaching staff, everyone in Afghanistan was very excited about the win. By defeating Afghanistan in this match, Pakistan may have pushed Pakistan far away from their semi-final dreams. It will be very difficult for Pakistan to make a comeback in the semi-finals from the position they are in now.

These stats need to be taken with a pinch of salt. Aghanistan received their test status only in 2019, and therefore most of the matches were played when they were still an associate. Now their funding is comparable with that of Pakistan, but earlier that was not the case. As you mentioned, Afghanistan have won only 2 out of 17 matches against Pakistan, but this trend will not stand in the future. Despite difficulties arising as a result of the Taliban takeover, at present Afghanistan is one of those teams making most rapid improvement in international cricket.

While other teams take a long time to become a good team after gaining status in ODIs and other formats, Afghanistan have been able to improve very quickly. Afghanistan will probably achieve the highest in this World Cup tournament compared to other World Cups. Afghanistan may not be able to play the semi-finals but it will cause big teams to drop out of the tournament. Afghanistan have two matches ahead where I will see Afghanistan as favourites. Afghanistan will go ahead with wins against Sri Lanka and Netherlands. If they can win against the Netherlands and Afghanistan, they will make it four matches and if they crash in either of the next two matches, Afghanistan will have a chance of making the semi-finals. In the last few years, Afghanistan has made great progress in the Test T20 and ODI 3 formats.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on October 23, 2023, 09:10:42 PM

Afghanistan's celebration shows how important this win is to them in the World Cup. Afghanistan played a total of 17 matches against Pakistan in World Cup excluding yesterday's match where only two matches were won by Afghanistan and remaining 15 matches were won by Pakistan. Afghanistan's win over Pakistan by 8 wickets in yesterday's match has changed the equation a bit now that they have won three of their last 18 matches.

From the players to the coaching staff, everyone in Afghanistan was very excited about the win. By defeating Afghanistan in this match, Pakistan may have pushed Pakistan far away from their semi-final dreams. It will be very difficult for Pakistan to make a comeback in the semi-finals from the position they are in now.

These stats need to be taken with a pinch of salt. Aghanistan received their test status only in 2019, and therefore most of the matches were played when they were still an associate. Now their funding is comparable with that of Pakistan, but earlier that was not the case. As you mentioned, Afghanistan have won only 2 out of 17 matches against Pakistan, but this trend will not stand in the future. Despite difficulties arising as a result of the Taliban takeover, at present Afghanistan is one of those teams making most rapid improvement in international cricket.

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Afghanistan's opener partnership is out in today's match but the next batsmen will be able to lift Afghanistan's victory. As they didn't lose a wicket till 128 runs, the next batsman, Afghanistan, should not face any problem to collect 155 runs. I can already see the example that Pakistan will lose in today's match.

Today Afghanistan game was good and seems to be the winning strike against the Pakistan,because the first wicket was taken just now with the score of 130 runs.Ibrahim was still in the strike with 60+ runs and help the Afghanistan in the right way to chase the target.The target for the game was just 280 runs from the 50 overs,So no need to worry for the chase.The opening partnership was not expected by the Pakistan team from the Afghanistan.To be frank the Afghanistan and Netherland was taking more responsibility in this league compared to the Srilanka and England.No one believe the England was the winner of the last World Cup by the current game.

Afghanistan's celebration shows how important this win is to them in the World Cup. Afghanistan played a total of 17 matches against Pakistan in World Cup excluding yesterday's match where only two matches were won by Afghanistan and remaining 15 matches were won by Pakistan. Afghanistan's win over Pakistan by 8 wickets in yesterday's match has changed the equation a bit now that they have won three of their last 18 matches.

From the players to the coaching staff, everyone in Afghanistan was very excited about the win. By defeating Afghanistan in this match, Pakistan may have pushed Pakistan far away from their semi-final dreams. It will be very difficult for Pakistan to make a comeback in the semi-finals from the position they are in now.

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Two of the favorites are now almost out of the world cup - England and Pakistan. For England, the only win came against Bangladesh and their misery is not going to end anytime soon. Pakistan has so far won 2 out of the 5 matches they have played, but one of those wins came against the Netherlands. And the other win came against a weak Sri Lanka. Their next match is against South Africa. BTW, Hotstar is making good revenue from the live streams. Yesterday for the Pakistan vs Afghanistan match, the peak viewership was 20 million.

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South Afrika vs Bangladesh

After the defeat against the Netherlands, South Africa had a huge 229-run win against England. They have proved the ability of their batsmen and bowlers. Today South Africa team will play against Bangladesh.

Bangladesh team cannot be called strong. A relatively weak team. Although they started their World Cup journey with a win against Afghanistan, they lost the next three matches. However, it is difficult to make predictions about the performance of this team. The team's biggest weakness was their opening pair. But their two openers played very well in the last match. If the opening pair plays well against South Africa, Bangladesh will be able to make this match competitive.

The pitch of Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai is not batting friendly. However, in the last match, South Africa has given the England team a target of 400 runs on this pitch. And so I will say Bangladesh will be under a lot of pressure today. If the bowlers do not perform well, they will be beaten ruthlessly.

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Quote from: elevates on October 23, 2023, 10:57:06 AM

Why did Babar Azam remove the pacers and introduce spinnerss? I haven't seen them getting anything out of this wicket. As of now I conclude this will be a close game. The Afganistan batters are utilizing this stupidity from Babar Azam as Afganistan is now increasing their run rate.

I have seen spinners do quite well on this pitch in past matches. Perhaps this is why Babar Azam used his spinners. But Pakistan does not get good performance from spinners. I certainly don't blame Babar's captaincy.
Pakistan could have given 300+ target in today's match. A target of 283 runs was not enough. Pakistan's batsmen cannot do well enough. The performance of their top order players was quite slow.
We are seeing Pakistan's very bad fielding in today's match as well. If not for the bad fielding they could have saved 20/30 more runs and it would have been more difficult for Afghanistan to win the match. Afghanistan now need 30 runs from 30 balls. As both the batsmen at the crease are playing very well, they will easily collect 30 runs in 30 balls.

After having two wins now Pakistan having three loses which are clearly indicating their weaknesses with Pakistan batting is not able to perform against quality spin, and they also have no quality spinners which can restrict opponents and their fast bowlers having just speed not depth which was their trade-mark in history and their strategy is also not working which is surely the biggest concern right now they are probably out of this event, but we can expect something surprising as well.
Today I watch this match and really surprise with the work and performance of the Afghanistan which was really well organized and done good job throughout match specially their tactics were impressive as they play with their four spinners which clearly give them good benefit against team like Pakistan 283 was not good target on this track with their early poor batting give them big setback.

After all, it would not be wrong to say that the condition of Pakistan's squad is quite weak now. There is no consistency in the performance of the squad's batsmen. Almost every batsman's performance is erratic. No batsman is able to bat responsibly. Only Babar Azam is batting slightly better. On the other hand, the performance of Pakistan's bowlers is also not satisfactory. Naseem Shah is not with the squad due to injury. I see Shaheen Shah Afridi as the only quality bowler in the Pakistan squad. Increase the performance of Pakistan's spin bowlers. I think Pakistan's spin attack is the weakest in this World Cup. If you perform like this, it is impossible to qualify for the semi-finals.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 23, 2023, 11:12:20 AM

Quote from: elevates on October 23, 2023, 10:57:06 AM

Why did Babar Azam remove the pacers and introduce spinnerss? I haven't seen them getting anything out of this wicket. As of now I conclude this will be a close game. The Afganistan batters are utilizing this stupidity from Babar Azam as Afganistan is now increasing their run rate.

I have seen spinners do quite well on this pitch in past matches. Perhaps this is why Babar Azam used his spinners. But Pakistan does not get good performance from spinners. I certainly don't blame Babar's captaincy.
Pakistan could have given 300+ target in today's match. A target of 283 runs was not enough. Pakistan's batsmen cannot do well enough. The performance of their top order players was quite slow.
We are seeing Pakistan's very bad fielding in today's match as well. If not for the bad fielding they could have saved 20/30 more runs and it would have been more difficult for Afghanistan to win the match. Afghanistan now need 30 runs from 30 balls. As both the batsmen at the crease are playing very well, they will easily collect 30 runs in 30 balls.

After having two wins now Pakistan having three loses which are clearly indicating their weaknesses with Pakistan batting is not able to perform against quality spin, and they also have no quality spinners which can restrict opponents and their fast bowlers having just speed not depth which was their trade-mark in history and their strategy is also not working which is surely the biggest concern right now they are probably out of this event, but we can expect something surprising as well.

Today I watch this match and really surprise with the work and performance of the Afghanistan which was really well organized and done good job throughout match specially their tactics were impressive as they play with their four spinners which clearly give them good benefit against team like Pakistan 283 was not good target on this track with their early poor batting give them big setback.

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This match is so interesting to watch somehow. I still think Afghanistan could lose this, there will be hat-trick or something, probably just delusion.

I missed one of the exciting match of this tournament due to my busy schedule and to be honest I didn't even track the scores of either teams but at the time of match end I am surprised to see Pakistan got upset by AFG and most convincingly which shows the weakness of Pakistan's both batting and bowling and if they want to ensure their ability they have to make a big comeback against bigger teams or they will be considered as depleting cricket nation.

While Pakistan is on field we can expect many things with drama and suspense as well which is nature of this team same happen in today game with at the end Afghanistan have their first win against Pakistan which is good for them after having big win against England now things are going worst for the two losers because they have minimum chances for the top four after this performance specially Pakistan which is completely failed to give their best after win against Sri Lanka.

Here we have to praise Afghanistan which done good performance in all departments and have two big wins in this event with most chances they could be still out of the top six, but they have already done impressive job their lost against Bangladesh is surely going to hurt them otherwise I have feeling they could be in top six without any problem.

Due to this loss Australia got better edge to be in the top 4 which was once at the bottom of the table so this week is going to be an exciting week, and probably it will give the sure contenders for top 4 spots at the end of this week.

So now the second half of the tournament, any team with good spin attack can't be taken as easy pick.

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Quote from: libert19 on October 23, 2023, 11:03:10 AM

This match is so interesting to watch somehow. I still think Afghanistan could lose this, there will be hat-trick or something, probably just delusion.

I missed one of the exciting match of this tournament due to my busy schedule and to be honest I didn't even track the scores of either teams but at the time of match end I am surprised to see Pakistan got upset by AFG and most convincingly which shows the weakness of Pakistan's both batting and bowling and if they want to ensure their ability they have to make a big comeback against bigger teams or they will be considered as depleting cricket nation.

While Pakistan is on field we can expect many things with drama and suspense as well which is nature of this team same happen in today game with at the end Afghanistan have their first win against Pakistan which is good for them after having big win against England now things are going worst for the two losers because they have minimum chances for the top four after this performance specially Pakistan which is completely failed to give their best after win against Sri Lanka.

Here we have to praise Afghanistan which done good performance in all departments and have two big wins in this event with most chances they could be still out of the top six, but they have already done impressive job their lost against Bangladesh is surely going to hurt them otherwise I have feeling they could be in top six without any problem.

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