ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! - page 88.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 12, 2023, 09:44:40 AM

Australia currently 50/3 needing 262 runs from 241 balls. They need a run rate of 6.55 per over, it’s definitely achievable but isn’t going to be easy.

South Africa set them a sizeable target with their innings of 311/7. This is going to be an exciting watch, I urge you to tune in if you can.

A target of 312 runs is quite possible for Australia in today's match and to say that three batsmen of Australia's top order were out and the team scored only 50 runs.
M Marsh 7
Warner 13
S. Smith 19
Josh Inglis 5
If all the 4 top order batsmen of Australia have scored this consecutive run, then it is easy to estimate the probability of Australia's victory.

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Australia currently 50/3 needing 262 runs from 241 balls. They need a run rate of 6.55 per over, it’s definitely achievable but isn’t going to be easy.

South Africa set them a sizeable target with their innings of 311/7. This is going to be an exciting watch, I urge you to tune in if you can.

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The wicket of Aiden Markram and Heinrich Klaasen at the death overs cost at least 30 runs. Kudos to Cummins-Hazlewood duo for picking these 2, they were about to change gears and things could have been ugly for the Aussies.

Not sure if 310-320 is defendable unless Keshav and Shamsi click with the ball for Protea. 2 tons for De Kock in 2 matches, bummer he's taking retirement from ODI after this WC.

I am not sure whether a total of 320 can be defended by South Africa. Remember that they conceded 326 against Sri Lanka. Against an Australian lineup that includes quality players such as David Warner, Mitchell Marsh, Steven Smith and Marnus Labuschagne, this is clearly not going to be enough. And also, Jansen and Rabada were very expensive during the last match, and this time also I am not expecting much from them. When Aiden Markram got out, they were 263/4 after 43 overs. They should have made somewhere around 340.

I believe this target won't be easy for the Australian batters to chase. Unless Maxwell goes into the demolition mode, most of their batter is out of form. The pitch earlier in the game was not looking good for batting. It has now eased down a little bit still won't be an easy chase for the Australian batters. Someone has to bat exceptionally better if they want to win against South Africa. Keshav Maharaj, Kagiso Rabada and Lungi Ngidi are the ones who can become an issue for the Australian batters.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 12, 2023, 07:58:33 AM

The wicket of Aiden Markram and Heinrich Klaasen at the death overs cost at least 30 runs. Kudos to Cummins-Hazlewood duo for picking these 2, they were about to change gears and things could have been ugly for the Aussies.

Not sure if 310-320 is defendable unless Keshav and Shamsi click with the ball for Protea. 2 tons for De Kock in 2 matches, bummer he's taking retirement from ODI after this WC.

I am not sure whether a total of 320 can be defended by South Africa. Remember that they conceded 326 against Sri Lanka. Against an Australian lineup that includes quality players such as David Warner, Mitchell Marsh, Steven Smith and Marnus Labuschagne, this is clearly not going to be enough. And also, Jansen and Rabada were very expensive during the last match, and this time also I am not expecting much from them. When Aiden Markram got out, they were 263/4 after 43 overs. They should have made somewhere around 340.

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The wicket of Aiden Markram and Heinrich Klaasen at the death overs cost at least 30 runs. Kudos to Cummins-Hazlewood duo for picking these 2, they were about to change gears and things could have been ugly for the Aussies.

Not sure if 310-320 is defendable unless Keshav and Shamsi click with the ball for Protea. 2 tons for De Kock in 2 matches, bummer he's taking retirement from ODI after this WC.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2023, 06:54:27 AM

Still not very hopeful about Shubman Gill. In case he just got discharged from the hospital, I am not expecting him to play actively for the next 1-2 weeks. Hopefully he will be ready for the last 3-4 group matches, and also for the knockout phase (in case India manages to qualify for the semi-finals). At this point, Indians won't be much bothered. Rohit and Ishan did a great job during the last match and the middle order is also looking quite good. I am more concerned about who will be dropped, once Shubman is back to the squad.

He has reached Ahmedabad yesterday, uncertainty of him playing still prevails. Getting dengu then getting admitted to the hospital would have made him weak. I do feel he might be rested in the match against Pakistan. India is doing good without him. Yesterday Rohit Sharma single handedly took India to a victory, he is in good form. Ishan is struggling with his form, he was visibly not looking good for quite sometime. He did get out while playing a lose shot.

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Quote from: Bureau on October 12, 2023, 06:30:32 AM

Australia struggling against South Africa's good batting, de Knock has taken the responsibility of scoring runs. He has already scored 81 runs in just 76 balls, the way he is going he would easily get another 100. Rassie van der Dussen is rotating the strike which is a good thing to do and hitting the odd boundaries. These two have the ability to up the South African run rate in no time.

South Africa crosses the 100-run partnership without losing a wicket. South Africa played an sensational opening partnership by Quinton de Kock and Temba Bavuma. Temba Bavuma out after 35 runs as Glenn Maxwell took wickets for Australia. Quinton de Kock reached his second century of ODI World Cup in 91 balls. Rassie van der Dussen achieved a notable milestone, becoming the 5th quickest batter overall and joint fastest South African player to reach 2000 ODI runs. I think South Africa will Set a 300 more runs target for Australia.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2023, 06:15:07 AM

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I now think South Africa will win. Because Ekana cricket ground is not batting friendly. Still the South African players are batting very well. The highest score of this pitch is 255 runs. And the first innings average score is 188. And the way South Africa are batting now, they will easily score 300+ runs today. Both openers have already scored 100 runs. South Africa scored 100 runs in 18 overs without losing a single wicket. de Kock scored an unbeaten 61 off 57 balls. And Bavuma's collection is now 33 off 51 balls. Bavuma is batting a bit slow. He is not in good form. Slow batting is good for South Africa if they can play big innings. But I think that the striker rate should be kept at 85+.

I would say that it is too early to predict anything. Ekana ground is just like any other Indian cricket ground. It is quite flat and offers not much support for the seamers. And also, let's not forget the fact that the South African batsmen are in top form. Quinton de Kock is handling the Australian bowlers with relative ease at this point. None of the Australian frontline seamers (Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood and Pat Cummins) have been successful in taking a wicket. Glenn Maxwell took the only South African wicket to fall till now.

South Africa team has collected 196 runs by losing only 2 wickets in 34 overs. Australia's pace bowlers are not doing well. Despite Bavuma and Van der Dussen picking up two wickets, de Kock and Markram are batting well. de Koch scored 109 runs unbeaten. And Markram scored 17 runs off 16 balls. South Africa's run rate is still below 6 though. Even then the team will collect more than 300. If South Africa don't lose a wicket before 40 overs, I guess they will give a target of 340-360. And a target of 350 on this pitch will be enough to win if the bowlers can bowl under control. But it cannot be said for sure whether the bowlers will do well. The performance of the bowlers in the first match was not controlled.

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Quote from: Bureau on October 12, 2023, 06:30:32 AM

Good News for India

Shubman Gill has been discharged after being in the hospital at Chennai's Kaveri Hospital. He got hospitalized due to a drop in platelet count as he was suffering from dengue. Due to his sickness, he missed the first two matches of the World Cup against Australia and Afghanistan. As per the news, he is all set to join the team and play against Pakistan on Saturday.

Australia struggling against South Africa's good batting, de Knock has taken the responsibility of scoring runs. He has already scored 81 runs in just 76 balls, the way he is going he would easily get another 100. Rassie van der Dussen is rotating the strike which is a good thing to do and hitting the odd boundaries. These two have the ability to up the South African run rate in no time.

Still not very hopeful about Shubman Gill. In case he just got discharged from the hospital, I am not expecting him to play actively for the next 1-2 weeks. Hopefully he will be ready for the last 3-4 group matches, and also for the knockout phase (in case India manages to qualify for the semi-finals). At this point, Indians won't be much bothered. Rohit and Ishan did a great job during the last match and the middle order is also looking quite good. I am more concerned about who will be dropped, once Shubman is back to the squad.

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Good News for India

Shubman Gill has been discharged after being in the hospital at Chennai's Kaveri Hospital. He got hospitalized due to a drop in platelet count as he was suffering from dengue. Due to his sickness, he missed the first two matches of the World Cup against Australia and Afghanistan. As per the news, he is all set to join the team and play against Pakistan on Saturday.

Australia struggling against South Africa's good batting, de Knock has taken the responsibility of scoring runs. He has already scored 81 runs in just 76 balls, the way he is going he would easily get another 100. Rassie van der Dussen is rotating the strike which is a good thing to do and hitting the odd boundaries. These two have the ability to up the South African run rate in no time.

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Quote from: kro55 on October 12, 2023, 05:55:06 AM

I now think South Africa will win. Because Ekana cricket ground is not batting friendly. Still the South African players are batting very well. The highest score of this pitch is 255 runs. And the first innings average score is 188. And the way South Africa are batting now, they will easily score 300+ runs today. Both openers have already scored 100 runs. South Africa scored 100 runs in 18 overs without losing a single wicket. de Kock scored an unbeaten 61 off 57 balls. And Bavuma's collection is now 33 off 51 balls. Bavuma is batting a bit slow. He is not in good form. Slow batting is good for South Africa if they can play big innings. But I think that the striker rate should be kept at 85+.

I would say that it is too early to predict anything. Ekana ground is just like any other Indian cricket ground. It is quite flat and offers not much support for the seamers. And also, let's not forget the fact that the South African batsmen are in top form. Quinton de Kock is handling the Australian bowlers with relative ease at this point. None of the Australian frontline seamers (Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood and Pat Cummins) have been successful in taking a wicket. Glenn Maxwell took the only South African wicket to fall till now.

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Quote from: kro55 on October 12, 2023, 05:55:06 AM

I now think South Africa will win. Because Ekana cricket ground is not batting friendly. Still the South African players are batting very well. The highest score of this pitch is 255 runs. And the first innings average score is 188. And the way South Africa are batting now, they will easily score 300+ runs today. Both openers have already scored 100 runs. South Africa scored 100 runs in 18 overs without losing a single wicket. de Kock scored an unbeaten 61 off 57 balls. And Bavuma's collection is now 33 off 51 balls. Bavuma is batting a bit slow. He is not in good form. Slow batting is good for South Africa if they can play big innings. But I think that the striker rate should be kept at 85+.

It is still too early to come to a conclusion that South Africa would win. They have a good chance when compared with the Australian side, they too have a good batting lineup. They decided to bowl first after winning the toss, the reason being they wanted to chase a small target. Looking at Quinton de Kock's batting, I doubt Australia would be able to stop him from getting another century today. He already got one when he was playing in Delhi, of course, that was a batting pitch. Bavuma was struggling to score runs it is good he is out and now we will see Rassie van der Dussen.

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My guess was that Australia would win. But as South Africa batted brilliantly in the first match, I don't trust the Australian players. South African batsmen are in very good form.

Australia won the toss and decided to field. South Africa's two openers are batting responsibly. The team has not yet lost any wicket in 15 overs. If their run rate is less than 6. Still, with no wickets lost, the southpaw is likely to deliver the target at a high score. South Africa collected 80 runs in 15 overs. Both de Kock and Bavuma are batting very responsibly. Australia lost their first match against India. They must win today if they want to stay in the top four of the table.

I checked the betting odds for the match between these two. The odds are favoring South Africa, Australia can only win if South Africa does not go beyond 300 today. Already 97 runs have been made without any loss of wicket, current run rate is above 5. Australia has been bowling perfect line and length, but they need wickets which they are not able to get now. This opening pair partnership could become a problem for the Australian team.

I now think South Africa will win. Because Ekana cricket ground is not batting friendly. Still the South African players are batting very well. The highest score of this pitch is 255 runs. And the first innings average score is 188. And the way South Africa are batting now, they will easily score 300+ runs today. Both openers have already scored 100 runs. South Africa scored 100 runs in 18 overs without losing a single wicket. de Kock scored an unbeaten 61 off 57 balls. And Bavuma's collection is now 33 off 51 balls. Bavuma is batting a bit slow. He is not in good form. Slow batting is good for South Africa if they can play big innings. But I think that the striker rate should be kept at 85+.

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Quote from: kro55 on October 12, 2023, 05:40:39 AM

My guess was that Australia would win. But as South Africa batted brilliantly in the first match, I don't trust the Australian players. South African batsmen are in very good form.

Australia won the toss and decided to field. South Africa's two openers are batting responsibly. The team has not yet lost any wicket in 15 overs. If their run rate is less than 6. Still, with no wickets lost, the southpaw is likely to deliver the target at a high score. South Africa collected 80 runs in 15 overs. Both de Kock and Bavuma are batting very responsibly. Australia lost their first match against India. They must win today if they want to stay in the top four of the table.

I checked the betting odds for the match between these two. The odds are favoring South Africa, Australia can only win if South Africa does not go beyond 300 today. Already 97 runs have been made without any loss of wicket, current run rate is above 5. Australia has been bowling perfect line and length, but they need wickets which they are not able to get now. This opening pair partnership could become a problem for the Australian team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2023, 02:01:53 AM

2.5 hours to go for the high-voltage clash between Australia and South Africa. I am hopeful that Australia maybe able to win the match today and stay in the race. David Warner, Steven Smith and Marnus Labuschagne got good starts against India, but none of them could convert their knocks to a half-century. Their bowling looked OK though. Josh Hazlewood rattled the Indian top order, while Mitchell Starc also bowled decently. Spin department is a concern though, as Adam Zampa was unable to find good line and length during the last match.

My guess was that Australia would win. But as South Africa batted brilliantly in the first match, I don't trust the Australian players. South African batsmen are in very good form.

Australia won the toss and decided to field. South Africa's two openers are batting responsibly. The team has not yet lost any wicket in 15 overs. If their run rate is less than 6. Still, with no wickets lost, the southpaw is likely to deliver the target at a high score. South Africa collected 80 runs in 15 overs. Both de Kock and Bavuma are batting very responsibly. Australia lost their first match against India. They must win today if they want to stay in the top four of the table.

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2.5 hours to go for the high-voltage clash between Australia and South Africa. I am hopeful that Australia maybe able to win the match today and stay in the race. David Warner, Steven Smith and Marnus Labuschagne got good starts against India, but none of them could convert their knocks to a half-century. Their bowling looked OK though. Josh Hazlewood rattled the Indian top order, while Mitchell Starc also bowled decently. Spin department is a concern though, as Adam Zampa was unable to find good line and length during the last match.

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KL Rahul is not consistent in the middle order, in which world? His 2023 numbers in the ODI: 39, 64*, 7, 75*, 9, 32, 111*, 39, 19, DNB, 58*, 52, 26, 97* DNB.

This season he's averaging above 75 in the middle order. He was shit in the T-20 and Test but in the ODI format when he bats in the middle order, his numbers are solid and incredible asset for the Indian team.

I am not talking about his last 10-15 matches. I was talking about his performance during the last 2-3 years. Good for India that he has come back to form, along with some of the other senior players who had form-related issues. Anyway, this is a golden opportunity for India to win a ICC trophy after a gap of more than a decade. The last time they won, Mahendra Singh Dhoni was the captain. Obiously guys like Virat, Rohit and Hardick doesn't want to be remembered as the ones who couldn't win a single ICC trophy.

Ha! Maybe we shouldn't mix format when judging consistency or form.

He lost form only in T-20 and Tests. In ODI his numbers were always good, as long as he's batting in the middle order. He only gets in the deep hole when opening, regardless of format, unfortunate because he's a natural talent but at the same time depressing and low on confidence as well. KL batting in the middle order solves all the problems as far as the ODI format is concerned.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 11, 2023, 11:07:32 PM

KL Rahul is not consistent in the middle order, in which world? His 2023 numbers in the ODI: 39, 64*, 7, 75*, 9, 32, 111*, 39, 19, DNB, 58*, 52, 26, 97* DNB.

This season he's averaging above 75 in the middle order. He was shit in the T-20 and Test but in the ODI format when he bats in the middle order, his numbers are solid and incredible asset for the Indian team.

I am not talking about his last 10-15 matches. I was talking about his performance during the last 2-3 years. Good for India that he has come back to form, along with some of the other senior players who had form-related issues. Anyway, this is a golden opportunity for India to win a ICC trophy after a gap of more than a decade. The last time they won, Mahendra Singh Dhoni was the captain. Obiously guys like Virat, Rohit and Hardick doesn't want to be remembered as the ones who couldn't win a single ICC trophy.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2023, 09:48:59 PM

I am a bit disturbed by the fact that almost all the matches so far in this tournament have been one-sided.
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I think pitches in this World Cup are to blame. Pitches are batting-friendly (flat), and nothing is there for the bowlers. I think a pitch with 50-50 is better, favourable for both batting and bowling. It would be ideal for a close contest between bat and ball.
In this World Cup, we will see record centuries scored in a single edition of a World Cup. We will also see the highest-ever number of sixes in a World Cup, because of these flat wickets.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2023, 12:56:23 PM

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350 is enough, Nah at least 450 cause the batting depth of India is way down the order and everyone is great form since Asia cup so no matter how much Afghanistan scored it won't be enough compared to team India.

But I really appreciate the effort of AFG batting lineup today because they at least put up a decent total against team like India and few batsmen scored good runs too but the track suited for hitman batting style and he took away the match in the first 10 or 15 overs itself with the way he batted and no bowler gave any threat at all.

350 would have been difficult for India. Shubman Gill is out as a result of dengue fever, and the openers are not scoring enough runs for India (especially Ishan Kishan, as Rohit Sharma scored 131 against Afghanistan today). Then there is weakness in the middle order, with KL Rahul and Hardik Pandya not being consistent with the bat. BTW, Naveen-ul-Haq was the most economical bowler for Afghanistan today, going for 5-0-31-0. Almost everyone else went for more than 8 runs per over. The two opening bowlers (Fazalhaq Farooqi and Mujeeb Ur Rahman) were terribly expensive.

KL Rahul is not consistent in the middle order, in which world? His 2023 numbers in the ODI: 39, 64*, 7, 75*, 9, 32, 111*, 39, 19, DNB, 58*, 52, 26, 97* DNB.

This season he's averaging above 75 in the middle order. He was shit in the T-20 and Test but in the ODI format when he bats in the middle order, his numbers are solid and incredible asset for the Indian team.

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