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Topic: If you are waiting for the "despair phase" to buy like in 2011 consider this - page 6. (Read 10237 times)

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And you're essentially an idiot.

Actually a disillusioned one who jumped on the bandwagon after all the hard work was done and is now throwing his toys out of the pram cos he didn't get rich quick enough.

every time people start to give up on a bubble, that means another is coming soon Cheesy We only had to shake the weak hands first.

Just remember that, if the fundamentals haven't changed, then we are still good.


i bought this account from the original bulltard idiot who owned it, because he had lost all his money and was desperate!
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Actually tulips did have something of a supply constraint, because it would take 7 to 12 years to cultivate a flowering bulb from a seed. So no, tulips could not be spontaneously created as some of you seem to believe. People were willing to spend a lot on them because they were rare and rapidly increasing in value. Why else do you think they would have spent a fortune on them?? Simply because they were pretty??  Huh They expected a return on their investment.

You know.. exactly like bitcoiners. You can deny it all you want, but they're essentially thr same thing.



And you're essentially an idiot.  This is further backed by the fact that you created a novelty account called riiiising to counter falllling yet have broken out of character to become a bear.

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Tulip Mania?  Really?  You absolutely, positively have to be the dumbest M'Fer on this entire board. 

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lol, you're dumb.

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Falllling is dumb as a rock.

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LOL @falllling.  Nice charts you idiot

Behold the world of debate, bitcoin style. When your opponent makes a perfectly valid point that you can't refute, call them "stupid".  Cheesy

legendary
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And you're essentially an idiot.

Actually a disillusioned one who jumped on the bandwagon after all the hard work was done and is now throwing his toys out of the pram cos he didn't get rich quick enough.

every time people start to give up on a bubble, that means another is coming soon Cheesy We only had to shake the weak hands first.

Just remember that, if the fundamentals haven't changed, then we are still good.
legendary
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Actually tulips did have something of a supply constraint, because it would take 7 to 12 years to cultivate a flowering bulb from a seed. So no, tulips could not be spontaneously created as some of you seem to believe. People were willing to spend a lot on them because they were rare and rapidly increasing in value. Why else do you think they would have spent a fortune on them?? Simply because they were pretty??  Huh They expected a return on their investment.

You know.. exactly like bitcoiners. You can deny it all you want, but they're essentially thr same thing.



And you're essentially an idiot.  This is further backed by the fact that you created a novelty account called riiiising to counter falllling yet have broken out of character to become a bear.
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Actually tulips did have something of a supply constraint, because it would take 7 to 12 years to cultivate a flowering bulb from a seed. So no, tulips could not be spontaneously created as some of you seem to believe. People were willing to spend a lot on them because they were rare and rapidly increasing in value. Why else do you think they would have spent a fortune on them?? Simply because they were pretty??  Huh They expected a return on their investment.

You know.. exactly like bitcoiners. You can deny it all you want, but they're essentially thr same thing.

sr. member
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Bitcoin's been exposed to the hacker community for longer than any other crypto and never been properly hacked. That alone makes bitcoin worth something and gives it more value than tulips. New 2.0 coins cannot compete with that yet. They can claim they are unhackable but only time will tell.
legendary
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So maybe delusional bulls will finally see the truth and stop losing money on a shitty investment thinking that the market will finally turn around during the "despair" phase?

What's the alternative? That I want to manipulate the market in order to buy cheap coins?
Sure, whatever. I just can't wait.

These arguments are superfluous. Clearly, both points of view apply in some respect.

12 months ago, Bitcoin was overvalued as an investment but undervalued as a technology.

As an investment it lost value this year. But as a technology there isn't much disagreement - even amongst the most hardened media trolls - that it is the future and it isn't hard to see why.

Up till now it's been impossible to create a monetary token that is electronic without being reproducible. It's simply the nature of electronic media that "copy & paste" rules and that has made it a huge challenge to create any kind of token that could be considered as tradable in such a way that it could not be counterfeited. The so called "electronic money" we use on a day to day basis isn't money. it's just a counterparty held balance that changes according to the instructions of other authoritative counterparties ("banks" to me & you).

With the invention of blockchain technology, the counterparty is no longer needed in the loop. This solves two problems that "tulips" never had a hope in hell of solving:

[1] - it provides the basis for an unbacked, unlevered electronic monetary base which, given that most of the worlds markets have moved from a physical to an electronic platform over the last century, is an inevitable consequence of modern technology

[2] - in principle, it makes the counterparty system redundant (I say in 'principle' because email didn't make the post office redundant, it just created a whole new medium where the post office was non existent)

Make no mistake. A technology which solves both those problems at once is of immense value - both practical and financial. Just look at the pain and anguish that was the common currency known as the Euro. And yet a couple of decades later we have a common currency that is self managing, doesn't require agonising years of debate between states and that is not enforced on anybody yet freely available to everybody.

Whether you think Bitcoin is "IT" or not, the technology is out of the bag and here to stay. As it happens, I think Bitcoin is now far enough down the line that it isn't now going to ever go away. The current valuation is fine - it's 300% to 400% what it was 18 months ago but what most people don't see if huge amount of infrastructure development that's gone on this year which will start to bear fruit now. It may not be some huge explosion - email wasn't, it just crept up on everyone until we were all using it.

To compare Bitcoin with tulips is a bit like comparing a modern aeroplane wing with a plank of wood. Yes - in some respects the comparison holds, but the only people who cite it as being significant are those with no clue of what makes one fly and the other not.

Cryptocurrencies will fly because they solve a huge problem - one that most people don't even realise they have yet because they've lived with it for so long. It  requires the supporting infrastructure to be advanced enough for mass adoption to take place, but take place it will.

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@OP: why do you care?
So maybe delusional bulls will finally see the truth and stop losing money on a shitty investment thinking that the market will finally turn around during the "despair" phase?


What's the alternative? That I want to manipulate the market in order to buy cheap coins?
Sure, whatever. I just can't wait.
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
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I guess Tulips had utility or functional value in society right?

oh wait....  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy lol

More than bitcoins, actually. Not even trolling.
legendary
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This is what is waiting for you friendly bitcoiners,

ahh, so someone who does not support Bitcoin posting on the Bitcoin forums.

That is the fastest way to my ignore.
sr. member
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Ah, so we're at the old tulip game again, eh? Well, it has been proven and said many times before that you simply can't compare Bitcoin to tulips - well you can, but it doesn't make a lot sense since Bitcoin's supply is limited and it has inherent value. This is getting ridiculous...



Tulips are nothing like bitcoin because you cannot spend tulips on hookers and blow.
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Screw It, Let's Do It

Again.  Why compare to 2011 and not show a chart of 2011?  Trolls gotta troll.

No offense, but are you really that dumb? You should not be allow to surf the Internet without supervision.
Reading and understanding has to be really hard for you.
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You know that speculative bubbles based on blind hype don't go up forever right?
You know that the more they go up the more difficult it becomes to keep the Pump&Dump pyramid scheme exponential trend going right?
Eventually THE bubble actually bursts and it doesn't matter anymore if price recovered from crashes and bear markets in the past.


Again.  Why compare to 2011 and not show a chart of 2011?  Trolls gotta troll.
Because in the all time chart you cannot see the 2011 pump even if you take the mtgox chart (which gives you an indication of how easier it was to pump&dump back then)?


Go on now, keep thinking that speculative bubbles go up forever.

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You know that speculative bubbles based on blind hype don't go up forever right?
You know that the more they go up the more difficult it becomes to keep the Pump&Dump pyramid scheme exponential trend going right?
Eventually THE bubble actually bursts and it doesn't matter anymore if price recovered from crashes and bear markets in the past.


Again.  Why compare to 2011 and not show a chart of 2011?  Trolls gotta troll.
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Some folks are feeling that everybody is becoming bearish, so they think that is the best time to buy right?
"Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful"?

They know price crashed in the past and it quickly recovered.



Dear friends of the interwebs. You know that speculative bubbles based on blind hype don't go up forever right?
You know that the more they go up the more difficult it becomes to keep the Pump&Dump pyramid scheme exponential trend going right?
Eventually THE bubble actually bursts and it doesn't matter anymore if price recovered from crashes and bear markets in the past.


I'm sure during the tulip bubble crash, some dudes thought it was a good idea to "be greedy" when others were "fearful" and to buy somewhere during the big crash because "they had already been there" (during the mini bubble that you can see a little bit before the big pump for example).

They thought they were smart.

   


They went broke.

I can't figure out why you would compare to 2011 and not show a chart of 2011.  Trolls gotta troll I guess.




You didn't read, did ya?



You know that speculative bubbles based on blind hype don't go up forever right?
You know that the more they go up the more difficult it becomes to keep the Pump&Dump pyramid scheme exponential trend going right?
Eventually THE bubble actually bursts and it doesn't matter anymore if price recovered from crashes and bear markets in the past.

hero member
Activity: 622
Merit: 500
Some folks are feeling that everybody is becoming bearish, so they think that is the best time to buy right?
"Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful"?

They know price crashed in the past and it quickly recovered.



Dear friends of the interwebs. You know that speculative bubbles based on blind hype don't go up forever right?
You know that the more they go up the more difficult it becomes to keep the Pump&Dump pyramid scheme exponential trend going right?
Eventually THE bubble actually bursts and it doesn't matter anymore if price recovered from crashes and bear markets in the past.


I'm sure during the tulip bubble crash, some dudes thought it was a good idea to "be greedy" when others were "fearful" and to buy somewhere during the big crash because "they had already been there" (during the mini bubble that you can see a little bit before the big pump for example).

They thought they were smart.

   


They went broke.

I can't figure out why you would compare to 2011 and not show a chart of 2011.  Trolls gotta troll I guess.

sr. member
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Ah, so we're at the old tulip game again, eh? Well, it has been proven and said many times before that you simply can't compare Bitcoin to tulips - well you can, but it doesn't make a lot sense since Bitcoin's supply is limited and it has inherent value. This is getting ridiculous...

it's limited so what? everyone have to use it and it has to be another bubble? it can not dropping to $0 now?
sorry, the world doesn't care about bitcoin and the inflation of 3600(or 1800 or 900) btc / per day is way to high,
the price will never stop dropping until it ends

The supply is limited to approx. 21 million coins. You can't create more coins than that. Well you can, but they won't be valid  Smiley Tulips, however may be reproduced as often as you like, no one can limit the supply of tulips.

Ha yeah, man - A lot of people really don't get this. But when they do, they suddenly realize what this means. Over half of the coins already in circulation, a hard-cap of 21m coins. Bitcoin is inheriently deflationary, man!

Nah, the supply is not limited.  As we speak, hardforks are being considered by core devs.  A hardfork can change maxcoin, too Smiley

Finally, every shitcoin/clonecoin has artificially limited supply.  As do Beanie Babies.

Doesn't matter. It still depends on what the majority decides to accept as "canon"...

By "majority," you mean the majority of mining pools.  Miners would rationally vote for the fork offering them the greatest reward, miners != hodlers.  What's good for a miner isn't necessarily good for a hoarder Undecided
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Relax!
Ah, so we're at the old tulip game again, eh? Well, it has been proven and said many times before that you simply can't compare Bitcoin to tulips - well you can, but it doesn't make a lot sense since Bitcoin's supply is limited and it has inherent value. This is getting ridiculous...

it's limited so what? everyone have to use it and it has to be another bubble? it can not dropping to $0 now?
sorry, the world doesn't care about bitcoin and the inflation of 3600(or 1800 or 900) btc / per day is way to high,
the price will never stop dropping until it ends

The supply is limited to approx. 21 million coins. You can't create more coins than that. Well you can, but they won't be valid  Smiley Tulips, however may be reproduced as often as you like, no one can limit the supply of tulips.

Ha yeah, man - A lot of people really don't get this. But when they do, they suddenly realize what this means. Over half of the coins already in circulation, a hard-cap of 21m coins. Bitcoin is inheriently deflationary, man!

Nah, the supply is not limited.  As we speak, hardforks are being considered by core devs.  A hardfork can change maxcoin, too Smiley

Finally, every shitcoin/clonecoin has artificially limited supply.  As do Beanie Babies.

Doesn't matter. It still depends on what the majority decides to accept as "canon". If they don't want the new rules, that chain will be abandoned more or less. Also, a hard-fork means that the "balances" will be doubled/split across the new chains. The total "market cap" so to say is now distributed across two (or more) chains. Effectively no loss in value.
sr. member
Activity: 378
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Ah, so we're at the old tulip game again, eh? Well, it has been proven and said many times before that you simply can't compare Bitcoin to tulips - well you can, but it doesn't make a lot sense since Bitcoin's supply is limited and it has inherent value. This is getting ridiculous...

it's limited so what? everyone have to use it and it has to be another bubble? it can not dropping to $0 now?
sorry, the world doesn't care about bitcoin and the inflation of 3600(or 1800 or 900) btc / per day is way to high,
the price will never stop dropping until it ends

The supply is limited to approx. 21 million coins. You can't create more coins than that. Well you can, but they won't be valid  Smiley Tulips, however may be reproduced as often as you like, no one can limit the supply of tulips.

Ha yeah, man - A lot of people really don't get this. But when they do, they suddenly realize what this means. Over half of the coins already in circulation, a hard-cap of 21m coins. Bitcoin is inheriently deflationary, man!

Nah, the supply is not limited.  As we speak, hardforks are being considered by core devs.  A hardfork can change maxcoin, too Smiley

Finally, every shitcoin/clonecoin has artificially limited supply.  As do Beanie Babies.
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