Topic: Illegal Migrant Crisis in Mediterraean - page 4. (Read 6607 times)
Renzi, just did act "moderate". He annouced, that, if mandatory migrant quotas are not accepted by other countries, Italy will give free euro visa to everybody, who so far entered the country. Italian state will by this act alone, effectively legalize trans-med human trafficking and any sort of semblance of border control and security for its partners in Europe. No so long ago, this would be act of terrorism and reason for declaration of war.
That will be disastrous. If Italy gives free visa to everyone who lands there, soon millions of third world citizens will flock to that country. Not only Italy, but every single EU member will get flooded by the Sub Saharan immigrants, including countries such as Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia, which have no experience in dealing with them.
Pureelite,
not sure, if you are trolling or not. Nobody accepts strangers, who come to their house, dont work and stay there forever. Nobody would choose strangers instead of their own family.
Of course by nobody, I mean, sane people, who actually worked in their life, paid taxes and showed no symptoms of sociopathy. At no point in your short post, did you mention what migrants should do, only what "we" (I guess you mean "us", not "you" by "we") must do. We are not robots, but human beings, who have free will.
not sure, if you are trolling or not. Nobody accepts strangers, who come to their house, dont work and stay there forever. Nobody would choose strangers instead of their own family.
Of course by nobody, I mean, sane people, who actually worked in their life, paid taxes and showed no symptoms of sociopathy. At no point in your short post, did you mention what migrants should do, only what "we" (I guess you mean "us", not "you" by "we") must do. We are not robots, but human beings, who have free will.
I'm not expecting the present situation to last long as this is raising popularity of the far right. Since elections are never far away in Italy, Renzi will have to act to keep moderate voters behind him.
Renzi, just did act "moderate". He annouced, that, if mandatory migrant quotas are not accepted by other countries, Italy will give free euro visa to everybody, who so far entered the country. Italian state will by this act alone, effectively legalize trans-med human trafficking and any sort of semblance of border control and security for its partners in Europe. No so long ago, this would be act of terrorism and reason for declaration of war.
I am for cancelling of Shengen and putting troops and militias on borders. As are 85% of my compatriots right now.
I'm not expecting the present situation to last long as this is raising popularity of the far right. Since elections are never far away in Italy, Renzi will have to act to keep moderate voters behind him.
exactly and even then you are quite generous as you count among "Europes population" countries, that arent members of EU (Russia, Ukraine, perhaps Turkey). Germany, Europes most populous country has 80 million inhabitants (20% are already of migrant background). Thats less, than Ethiopia or Egypt and less, than half of Nigerias.
Hmm... I checked again, and found that the EU population, as of now is 503 million. By 2100, Nigeria alone will be having a population of 914 million. The people, who advocate for open borders policy are quite retarded. There is no way, the EU can accommodate 4 billion extra people by 2100. There is simply no space, as the surface area is just 4.4 million sq.km.
Bryant,
exactly and even then you are quite generous as you count among "Europes population" countries, that arent members of EU (Russia, Ukraine, perhaps Turkey). Germany, Europes most populous country has 80 million inhabitants (20% are already of migrant background). Thats less, than Ethiopia or Egypt and less, than half of Nigerias.
exactly and even then you are quite generous as you count among "Europes population" countries, that arent members of EU (Russia, Ukraine, perhaps Turkey). Germany, Europes most populous country has 80 million inhabitants (20% are already of migrant background). Thats less, than Ethiopia or Egypt and less, than half of Nigerias.
Europe has 550 million of inhabitants, half of those have work/income. Africa alone has 1.1 billion, South Asia another 2.5 billion. By mid century Africa will have 2.7 billion of people, while Europes will slightly decline. There are 80 million of people born under the poverty line every year.
Some 100 years ago, Africa had a population of 133 million, and Europe had a population of 408 million. Currently, the African population is 1,111 million, while that of Europe is 742.5 million. During the past 100 years, the African population has grown by 735%, while the same for Europe is 82%. And the projected population for Africa is 4,200 million in 2100. These figures speak for themselves.
You should understand that they sold their own houses and all properties in order to collect money for this trip.
In many of these countries are wars and much violence and people can not return.
This is not a simple black and white story that can be easily solved.
Europe may not be the ideal continent for life but is much safer and better place to live than Africa.
In many of these countries are wars and much violence and people can not return.
This is not a simple black and white story that can be easily solved.
Europe may not be the ideal continent for life but is much safer and better place to live than Africa.
They are adults, nobody forced them to sell their properties or get indebted in order to feed organized crime of smuggling.
Europe has 550 million of inhabitants, half of those have work/income. Africa alone has 1.1 billion, South Asia another 2.5 billion. By mid century Africa will have 2.7 billion of people, while Europes will slightly decline. There are 80 million of people born under the poverty line every year.
Of course we bear no responsibility for them (as they do bear no for us), they are adults, but lets say we want to help them. HOW? By turning old continent and our legacy into another Africa? Numbers speak for themselves, we cannot solve problems of neighbours by importing fraction of those problems into our homes.
Furthermore, how many of these refugees did you take care for so far? People advocating "open door policy" in my country are without exception people, who hadnt worked in their life or those financially interested in migrant bussiness (mafia and activists receiving tax payers money for "integrating" migrants).
You should understand that they sold their own houses and all properties in order to collect money for this trip.
In many of these countries are wars and much violence and people can not return.
In many of these countries are wars and much violence and people can not return.
Who told them to sell their houses and property? And don't lie about the warfare thing. Most of these immigrants come from countries such as Gambia, Senegal, Ghana, Nigeria.etc. As far as I know, no war is going on there. Europe is already full of migrants. More than 10% of the population is composed of migrants and their descendants. I don't think that the continent can take anymore migrants.
You should understand that they sold their own houses and all properties in order to collect money for this trip.
In many of these countries are wars and much violence and people can not return.
This is not a simple black and white story that can be easily solved.
Europe may not be the ideal continent for life but is much safer and better place to live than Africa.
In many of these countries are wars and much violence and people can not return.
This is not a simple black and white story that can be easily solved.
Europe may not be the ideal continent for life but is much safer and better place to live than Africa.
Daniel,
yes, hunger and desperation. Thats why these young black men (who form 85% of the migrant group) pay up to 10 000 dollars to smugglers and border guards to enter Europe, thats why they spite on refugee camps in places like Italy, Hungary and even France (those countries lack welfare system of northern Europe). Because they are desperate and hungry
But we can agree on one thing. Old continent isnt place you want to live in. Instead you should as a free and good man take destiny into your own hands and go to some place good. Go to Africa and make their desperate and hungry lives better. Thats what man would do, not try to take Europes weakest (sick, old and children) as hostages.
yes, hunger and desperation. Thats why these young black men (who form 85% of the migrant group) pay up to 10 000 dollars to smugglers and border guards to enter Europe, thats why they spite on refugee camps in places like Italy, Hungary and even France (those countries lack welfare system of northern Europe). Because they are desperate and hungry
But we can agree on one thing. Old continent isnt place you want to live in. Instead you should as a free and good man take destiny into your own hands and go to some place good. Go to Africa and make their desperate and hungry lives better. Thats what man would do, not try to take Europes weakest (sick, old and children) as hostages.
Illegal Migrant Crisis in Mediterraean is actually a result of hunger and poverty in Africa and the desperation of those people because they don't have any perspective in their native countries.
What is the solution to this problem?
Raise impenetrable wall around Europe and stop all immigrants?
Bring back those immigrants who have so far managed to enter Europe?
Is it a Europe of freedom and democracy or Europe of exclusiveness and intolerance?
I think that we have a moral obligation to help those poor people and provide them a second home in European countries, and a new chance for life.
Otherwise, this is not the Europe in which I want to live, selfish Europe, which thinks only of himself.
What is the solution to this problem?
Raise impenetrable wall around Europe and stop all immigrants?
Bring back those immigrants who have so far managed to enter Europe?
Is it a Europe of freedom and democracy or Europe of exclusiveness and intolerance?
I think that we have a moral obligation to help those poor people and provide them a second home in European countries, and a new chance for life.
Otherwise, this is not the Europe in which I want to live, selfish Europe, which thinks only of himself.
Cryptocoiner,
you got it wrong, I am afraid. Bombing Lybia was just final Punkt - instigated by Anglo-French forces. Germans and rest of Euros didnt participate. Bombing of Lybia was supposed to be grand finale of "Arab spring", forceful democratization or rather coercion of sunni countries into the western block. United States, who have the largest responsibility dont take in all those refugees from Ghana, Nigeria or Eritrea - who to my knowledge have NO WAR at all. North african Arabs actually stay home. You are grossly misinformed, sir.
Now, that I got that out of the way, I am downright terrified, that Europe nowadays serves as shield to US sword - this migration included. AFAIK, central and eastern Europe, that participates neither in NATOs agressions nor in colonizations would be much better off as part of Chinese led BRIC block.
you got it wrong, I am afraid. Bombing Lybia was just final Punkt - instigated by Anglo-French forces. Germans and rest of Euros didnt participate. Bombing of Lybia was supposed to be grand finale of "Arab spring", forceful democratization or rather coercion of sunni countries into the western block. United States, who have the largest responsibility dont take in all those refugees from Ghana, Nigeria or Eritrea - who to my knowledge have NO WAR at all. North african Arabs actually stay home. You are grossly misinformed, sir.
Now, that I got that out of the way, I am downright terrified, that Europe nowadays serves as shield to US sword - this migration included. AFAIK, central and eastern Europe, that participates neither in NATOs agressions nor in colonizations would be much better off as part of Chinese led BRIC block.
These people are very desperate to flee their war torn wasteland in search of a better future. And to them Europe seems like the only way.
Its something I feel I can not see properly,part of me thinks you need to protect the population from being bombarded and racing to the bottom. Then
I think a part of that is that I am sitting on the greener grass judging those that have nothing.
You can see that countries in Europe are under a burden from all these people coming in and then I look to a country like Australia that is borderline racist in protecting its country. If we didn't exploit and abuse African countries for so long and turn a blind eye we might not be facing this issue today.
Really would have a hard time making the mandate for this issue.
I think a part of that is that I am sitting on the greener grass judging those that have nothing.
You can see that countries in Europe are under a burden from all these people coming in and then I look to a country like Australia that is borderline racist in protecting its country. If we didn't exploit and abuse African countries for so long and turn a blind eye we might not be facing this issue today.
Really would have a hard time making the mandate for this issue.
The Italians just want to keep on living the way they do without anyone spoiling the party, and that's what the migrants are doing.
I was in Italy last week. 11 PM in a small town on a weekday. I was living the restaurant on a warm evening, a quiet street, everything was beautiful, everything was lovely, and then 3 guys with dark skin and dirty clothes came up to the fountain to wash their feet. I am some kind of a migrant myself, having left my country many years ago, so I'm not against migrations but nobody likes to see misery.
I was in Italy last week. 11 PM in a small town on a weekday. I was living the restaurant on a warm evening, a quiet street, everything was beautiful, everything was lovely, and then 3 guys with dark skin and dirty clothes came up to the fountain to wash their feet. I am some kind of a migrant myself, having left my country many years ago, so I'm not against migrations but nobody likes to see misery.
Ahahah, well that is normal in Italy, go to naples and see people there do the weirdest shits. Someone might agree with you, but that's not what I mean. Most of those people are just looking to escape the war, and the world is not so small that other countries can't help them. Others are criminals or worse, so there's that too sure
I've been to Napoli a few times, even once in Castel Volturno (many immigrants there), but I still see Italians as clean people. Italy is not like India. It's immigrants who make it look like a third world country, not the Italians.
The Italians just want to keep on living the way they do without anyone spoiling the party, and that's what the migrants are doing.
I was in Italy last week. 11 PM in a small town on a weekday. I was living the restaurant on a warm evening, a quiet street, everything was beautiful, everything was lovely, and then 3 guys with dark skin and dirty clothes came up to the fountain to wash their feet. I am some kind of a migrant myself, having left my country many years ago, so I'm not against migrations but nobody likes to see misery.
I was in Italy last week. 11 PM in a small town on a weekday. I was living the restaurant on a warm evening, a quiet street, everything was beautiful, everything was lovely, and then 3 guys with dark skin and dirty clothes came up to the fountain to wash their feet. I am some kind of a migrant myself, having left my country many years ago, so I'm not against migrations but nobody likes to see misery.
Ahahah, well that is normal in Italy, go to naples and see people there do the weirdest shits. Someone might agree with you, but that's not what I mean. Most of those people are just looking to escape the war, and the world is not so small that other countries can't help them. Others are criminals or worse, so there's that too sure
Fabrizio, what is your education level? On motivation of migrants, Bryant already responded for me, but you dont have to fucking NASA employee to recognize that people fleeing warzone wont be (85% of the time) young men of military age as is the case here. You can see for yourself, just get outside.
As to your idea of saving the world, Africa currently has double the population of entire European Union (1.1 billion of people), it will be five times more by 2050 (2.7 billion by UN projections). THEN WHAT? Who will feed and house them?
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