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June 09, 2015, 03:56:11 PM
#34
60% of migrants detented in Italy already left and or fled camps, Grenzpolizei of Germany isnt capable of catching those hundreds of thousands all again. So your argument is null. Nobody really knows now, how many are inside Europe already, where they currently reside and what are their aims. There is no control as the borders of EU are nonfunctional. Some may be ISIS fighters, others may have brought ebola or AIDS, we simply dont know.

Well, that is just poor handling of the situation by the European Union. I still believe that it will be difficult for these people, to obtain arms and ammunition to conduct an attack on European targets. That said, a much more possible scenario is some of these new ISIS members joining the already existing Jihadi cells in Europe.

I did not suggest they will attack in human waves, WW1 style  Wink as many liberal politicians currently think about granting voting rights to all foreigners, they wont need to initially. Europe will be crushed anyway.

I am not sure, you understand, that war doesnt have to be waged by weapons, its simply process during which you want the other party to accept your will.

I do not see those economic migrants as enemies by the way. They are simply tool in the hands of western upper class, that serves to curb the rights of natives. Tactics, that was before also used in Africa and Americas for financial gain during the process known as colonization.

It is not plausible anymore to think, that this is merely "poor handling" of situation by officials. Situation has been going on for years like this, too many people and money are involved for it to be all purely coincidental.
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June 09, 2015, 07:25:20 AM
#33
Yeah it's a mess in Italy we receive like 1000 immigrants every week if not more and we have no mean to feed them, we don't know how to handle the situation and the Europe doesn't help us at all. Entire cities are basically being raided as of now and it's chaos because there are so many policemen used to keep things under control

Italy is not a very migrant-friendly nation. Some of the migrants might find work in the Italian wineyards and the orchards. But the vast majority will travel further North (to Germany) or East-wards (to the United Kingdom, via France). A significant portion will end up in London and the other British cities.
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June 09, 2015, 06:50:31 AM
#32
Yeah it's a mess in Italy we receive like 1000 immigrants every week if not more and we have no mean to feed them, we don't know how to handle the situation and the Europe doesn't help us at all. Entire cities are basically being raided as of now and it's chaos because there are so many policemen used to keep things under control
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June 09, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
#31
UK must take them all. London is enough large and multicultural city, all people know this. So UK can be the decision  Grin
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June 08, 2015, 09:45:30 PM
#30
60% of migrants detented in Italy already left and or fled camps, Grenzpolizei of Germany isnt capable of catching those hundreds of thousands all again. So your argument is null. Nobody really knows now, how many are inside Europe already, where they currently reside and what are their aims. There is no control as the borders of EU are nonfunctional. Some may be ISIS fighters, others may have brought ebola or AIDS, we simply dont know.

Well, that is just poor handling of the situation by the European Union. I still believe that it will be difficult for these people, to obtain arms and ammunition to conduct an attack on European targets. That said, a much more possible scenario is some of these new ISIS members joining the already existing Jihadi cells in Europe.
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June 08, 2015, 05:36:54 PM
#29
Who is paying for them to emigrate from their respective countries?
     Huh

Okay, you see them.  All these obviously foreign street vendors, and all of the same country.  All these obviously foreign prostitutes and all from the same country...  It is not likely Random.

This has happened before.  With illegal slaves coming as legal immigrants into countries where slavery is illegal and are forced to work for free as whatever the mafia is demanding.

sdp

SDP, good point. Italian mafia is cooperating with Italy´s politicians according to latest reports. "Refugee crisis" is now more profitable than drug trade. State (tax payer) pays 50 dollars per day for every refuge. 5% of those dollars (every day, per every refugee) end up in pocket of aforementioned "gentlemen".
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June 08, 2015, 05:33:55 PM
#28
Calling them illegal migrants instead of asylum seekers /refugees removes any kind of guilt associated with turning them back. That said each country should be free to decide its own asylum / immigration policies.

There is no place for "guilt", when deciding on issues of social welfare of entire state and national security.

Don't worry, the UK will take them all. There are lots of cheap empty houses, the NHS is a long way from breaking point and 600'000 empty job positions, so they wouldn't need to live a life of crime.

People, who live in tents in harbor of Calais are not waiting to get into UK to work, brother - they could already do that in Germany, France or Switzerland  Smiley those countries just dont have your welfare system or language of communication, that is all. Your argument about crime is arguable hilarious. They already broke the law, when entering EU. They already are criminals colaborating with smugglers.

I wonder how many terrorists ISIS have hidden amongst the refugees?

Even if there are a few ISIS militants among the refugees, how they are going to launch the attacks? If they are sent to refugee camps, then their freedom of movement might be restricted. And they will be under constant surveillance 24x7. I don't think that any of them will be able to procure weapons, to launch an attack against the civilian or military installations.

60% of migrants detented in Italy already left and or fled camps, Grenzpolizei of Germany isnt capable of catching those hundreds of thousands all again. So your argument is null. Nobody really knows now, how many are inside Europe already, where they currently reside and what are their aims. There is no control as the borders of EU are nonfunctional. Some may be ISIS fighters, others may have brought ebola or AIDS, we simply dont know.
sdp
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June 07, 2015, 10:08:41 PM
#27
Who is paying for them to emigrate from their respective countries?
     Huh

Okay, you see them.  All these obviously foreign street vendors, and all of the same country.  All these obviously foreign prostitutes and all from the same country...  It is not likely Random.

This has happened before.  With illegal slaves coming as legal immigrants into countries where slavery is illegal and are forced to work for free as whatever the mafia is demanding.

sdp
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June 07, 2015, 08:58:22 PM
#26
I am not one for international intervention in other nations affairs. but I also believe they should try to make there country better then make it bad for all of us.

Exactly. This type of immigration can be bad for both the sides. The host nations (such as Italy, Malta and Greece) will have to spend billions of USD in providing welfare payments to these people. And the source nations (such as Gambia and Senegal) will lose a large part of its skilled and educated population, making it even difficult to stage an economic recovery.
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June 07, 2015, 01:15:55 PM
#25
Calling them illegal migrants instead of asylum seekers /refugees removes any kind of guilt associated with turning them back. That said each country should be free to decide its own asylum / immigration policies.
They are illegal migrants instead of coming over here and Turning our country into theirs they should try to fix their shithole first.

Exactly. They are not refugees or asylum seekers, they are economic migrants. In normal cases, we don't call someone a refugee, if he migrates to get a better livelihood. Most of the countries in the Sub-Saharan Africa are under military dictatorships. In some cases, the democratically elected government was toppled, with help from the United States and its NATO allies (a prime example is the American and French supported military coup in Burkina Faso, which ended in the assassination of Thomas Sankara).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/06/burkina-fasos-revolutionary-hero-thomas-sankara-to-be-exhumed

I am not one for international intervention in other nations affairs. but I also believe they should try to make there country better then make it bad for all of us.
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June 07, 2015, 01:08:28 PM
#24
Calling them illegal migrants instead of asylum seekers /refugees removes any kind of guilt associated with turning them back. That said each country should be free to decide its own asylum / immigration policies.
They are illegal migrants instead of coming over here and Turning our country into theirs they should try to fix their shithole first.

Exactly. They are not refugees or asylum seekers, they are economic migrants. In normal cases, we don't call someone a refugee, if he migrates to get a better livelihood. Most of the countries in the Sub-Saharan Africa are under military dictatorships. In some cases, the democratically elected government was toppled, with help from the United States and its NATO allies (a prime example is the American and French supported military coup in Burkina Faso, which ended in the assassination of Thomas Sankara).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/06/burkina-fasos-revolutionary-hero-thomas-sankara-to-be-exhumed
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June 07, 2015, 12:43:38 PM
#23
Calling them illegal migrants instead of asylum seekers /refugees removes any kind of guilt associated with turning them back. That said each country should be free to decide its own asylum / immigration policies.

They are illegal migrants instead of coming over here and Turning our country into theirs they should try to fix their shithole first.
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June 07, 2015, 12:10:22 PM
#22
I wonder how many terrorists ISIS have hidden amongst the refugees?

Even if there are a few ISIS militants among the refugees, how they are going to launch the attacks? If they are sent to refugee camps, then their freedom of movement might be restricted. And they will be under constant surveillance 24x7. I don't think that any of them will be able to procure weapons, to launch an attack against the civilian or military installations.
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June 07, 2015, 11:45:18 AM
#21
The quota system for refugees has received more critics than supporters. I don't think it will be implemented. So the immigrants will remain free to move wherever they want within the Shenghen zone, just like today. They may want to set up in Calais where they get free meals and some medical care.
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June 06, 2015, 11:54:57 AM
#20
I wonder how many terrorists ISIS have hidden amongst the refugees?
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June 06, 2015, 10:36:43 AM
#19
Unfortunately all these poor migrants just land up in the peripheral euro nations of the south

No. They are going to be distributed across the EU nations, as per the new quota system developed by the European Union. Countries such as Latvia and Poland, which have never accepted any refugee from the Sub Saharan African region will be forced to accept them this time, reducing the extreme burden on Southern nations such as Malta and Italy.
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June 06, 2015, 09:25:02 AM
#18
Unfortunately all these poor migrants just land up in the peripheral euro nations of the south whose resources are already stretched to the limit. The EU is hardly doing anything to alleviate the burden that Italy and Greece is mainly having and I wouldn't be surprised if they are also responsible, along with the U,S for all the political and economic turmoil in Africa that is a remnant of the old colonial times. Cry
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June 06, 2015, 05:15:02 AM
#17
True. Vast majority (80%) are men in their teens and twenties too, who somehow got thousands of US dollars for travel across two continents. For all intents and purposes, they look, smell and behave like an invading force.

It costs somewhere between $10,000 and $15,000 for a migrant to reach Lampedusa or Malta, from a Sub Saharan nation such as Gambia. This $10,000 is a very big amount in Gambia. It is almost 10 times the average annual salary there. This makes it clear that it is the rich, and not the poor, who undertake the trip to Europe.

We cannot come to an conclusion of rich and poor status by the amount of money they spent for travel, there is a vital chance that they use their life time savings as a hope to live better in Europe and also for their children or generations to lead a good and prosperous peaceful life in European countries. It is really very sad to see that the Human who are similar to us are suffering for one time food and shelter in this digital era.

Well, if having a better life in a rich country is an option, most capable and rational people are going to choose it rather than stay in their old country and making it better.  Making it better for ALL of the nation's citizens.

I have a very limited amount of confidence in our Western leadership (esp, here in the U.S.) when they hand-wring about the shitty life some third-worlders are presumed to have while at the same time propping up the most awful dictators in those same countries in order to milk them for resources.  Indeed, providing an escape hatch for the members of a developing world population who might challenge the leaders we install there may be one reason for these immigration policies.

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June 06, 2015, 05:09:50 AM
#16
They use their life time savings as a hope to live better in Europe and also for their children or generations to lead a good and prosperous peaceful life in European countries. It is really very sad to see that the Human who are similar to us are suffering for one time food and shelter in this digital era.

The problem is that Europe can't support all these people. The total population of Sub Saharan Africa is almost three times that of Europe. And Europe is currently dealing with refugee inflows from countries such as Syria, Afghanistan, and Kosovo. By no means, the European Union can allow the immigration of 1 billion Sub Saharans to its territory.
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June 06, 2015, 04:45:31 AM
#15
True. Vast majority (80%) are men in their teens and twenties too, who somehow got thousands of US dollars for travel across two continents. For all intents and purposes, they look, smell and behave like an invading force.

It costs somewhere between $10,000 and $15,000 for a migrant to reach Lampedusa or Malta, from a Sub Saharan nation such as Gambia. This $10,000 is a very big amount in Gambia. It is almost 10 times the average annual salary there. This makes it clear that it is the rich, and not the poor, who undertake the trip to Europe.

We cannot come to an conclusion of rich and poor status by the amount of money they spent for travel, there is a vital chance that they use their life time savings as a hope to live better in Europe and also for their children or generations to lead a good and prosperous peaceful life in European countries. It is really very sad to see that the Human who are similar to us are suffering for one time food and shelter in this digital era.
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