Impossibility of a gambling system (Why methods don't work) - page 4.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on July 25, 2019, 06:47:12 PM

I'd rather discover the method that I'll use for gambling rather buying it

Enough tools and code examples to make your own betting bot, Seuntje as example. Buying a 'winning' algo isnt worth it.
Take a system that you are fine with as base and customize that to your needs is the way to go.

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I read a thread today that a man won the lottery 12 times and he did so by creating an algorithm and he managed to do it so the system can be beaten but it take a genius to do it.Almost all normal gamblers who know nothing of algorithms they just play their way and although many of them say they know the secret they don't.I agree that everyone should play the way they feel more comfortable playing.Gambling should not be stressful otherwise addiction is right behind the door.

Here we go again!

So, is there a possibility that someone can invent a "winning method" or there is no such possibility? I think it is the latter because no genius can hack math. Read carefully the famous story how MIT students won $8 million in the Massachusetts Lottery, and you'll see that it happened because of the mistake of the organizers, not because of some miraculous(or genius) algorithm. The "mistake" was actually an intentional one, but that's another story. If you haven't read it, it's worth reading.

In short, even if someone had won 12 times in a lottery, he was just lucky and that's it. Don't buy his method, you will not increase your chances of winning by doing so. Don't buy any "winning methods" because they are no better than those you can invent by yourself.

Yea I think people often forget that most of those stories involved some sort of "exploit". They confuse "exploit" and "method" for some reason. I guess some don't realize the difference between the two.

It was the same with the man winning the lottety,systems created by people can be hacked by other people and that is a known fact.We have Patch Tuesday from Microsoft for a reason because their system isn't perfect.
So I think that we need 2 factors rather than one which are 1 the system to have been invented from people 2 a genius from other people to beat it.I also know this happens only 0.000001% of the cases.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on July 25, 2019, 06:47:12 PM

I'd rather discover the method that I'll use for gambling rather buying it because there's no guarantee as well that those scripts or methods can win you anything. Totally buying those method are not helping you to discover the best strategy you can get, I'd rather play out my luck too instead of those methods.

that's it, it could some basis to formulate our own strategies but not in a way that we are relying on the others rather than to have our own understanding.
It is important to trust our self and stand what we think is right and could give better returns.
Of course, it won't work at the first try and that is what we have to work for in order to succeed.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on July 25, 2019, 06:47:12 PM

I'd rather discover the method that I'll use for gambling rather buying it because there's no guarantee as well that those scripts or methods can win you anything. Totally buying those method are not helping you to discover the best strategy you can get, I'd rather play out my luck too instead of those methods.

I agree with that because if we can find the method by ourselves, we can get the chance to win although we still depend on our luck. But at least, we have tried so many methods we have to find the best method that will help us. If we decide to buy, there is no guarantee for us if the method can work well for us and will help us to win. So it is better to find the method by using one by one of the methods.

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I'd rather discover the method that I'll use for gambling rather buying it because there's no guarantee as well that those scripts or methods can win you anything. Totally buying those method are not helping you to discover the best strategy you can get, I'd rather play out my luck too instead of those methods.

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if you think about it again even though the method meant in gambling may be in terms of the number of bets and odds and games. because for the exact method of winning itself there really isn't. but the method for obtaining the definite profit I believe is exist like a double bet with a small value when the first bet loses. it still includes betting methods. but it all depends on the wishes and beliefs of each. for someone who wants to get something ''sure'' gambling is not an option. because basically whatever method the concept is still gambling.

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There's no such thing as a method to make you win either online casino or the traditional ones because if there is, there will be a lot of millionaires walking around. Those who say there is a method to win, I would say this person is just lucky that it made him rich and not all methods will work to any person. It might have work to you, because it fits your gambling style, but it might not work for me or the others.

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Quote from: rodel caling on July 25, 2019, 05:55:15 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on July 20, 2019, 09:14:22 PM

And that is why martingale is not really effective, as the longer you play with this system the odds grow overtime. If you employ strategy and have successes in the beginning, before get out and exit while you can and don't feel confident that you have caught the 'holy grail' of strategies. Control is the key is you wanted to win using martingale (or any variations of it).

Yeah great advise and strategy mate self control and self discipline is the key to get win and avoid loses because greedy is the way to get more loses. Enjoy to play the games for just for fun.

If you have the control using your strategies then that’s a good self-discipline but you must not stop from there because you still need to know what kind of target will you aim for your next playing time. Its fun to gamble but use the money you afford to lose after all.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 20, 2019, 09:14:22 PM

And that is why martingale is not really effective, as the longer you play with this system the odds grow overtime. If you employ strategy and have successes in the beginning, before get out and exit while you can and don't feel confident that you have caught the 'holy grail' of strategies. Control is the key is you wanted to win using martingale (or any variations of it).

Yeah great advise and strategy mate self control and self discipline is the key to get win and avoid loses because greedy is the way to get more loses. Enjoy to play the games for just for fun.

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All those "methods" and "strategies" are just gamblers fallacy. Indeed they may help you reduce your loss in the short run, but the results are always the same in the long run. The house will always win no matter what strategy you apply. There is no way you can break the system of gambling unless there is some sort of bug or miscalculation in the casino that can be abused for your advantage. So just fuck all those strategies and just play however you want. If you get lucky you win or else you lose.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 22, 2019, 11:46:32 AM

Quote from: swogerino on July 22, 2019, 08:44:58 AM

I read a thread today that a man won the lottery 12 times and he did so by creating an algorithm and he managed to do it so the system can be beaten but it take a genius to do it.Almost all normal gamblers who know nothing of algorithms they just play their way and although many of them say they know the secret they don't.I agree that everyone should play the way they feel more comfortable playing.Gambling should not be stressful otherwise addiction is right behind the door.

Here we go again!

So, is there a possibility that someone can invent a "winning method" or there is no such possibility? I think it is the latter because no genius can hack math. Read carefully the famous story how MIT students won $8 million in the Massachusetts Lottery, and you'll see that it happened because of the mistake of the organizers, not because of some miraculous(or genius) algorithm. The "mistake" was actually an intentional one, but that's another story. If you haven't read it, it's worth reading.

In short, even if someone had won 12 times in a lottery, he was just lucky and that's it. Don't buy his method, you will not increase your chances of winning by doing so. Don't buy any "winning methods" because they are no better than those you can invent by yourself.

You can demonstrate in 100 different ways why such methods will never work and those that want to believe there is a way to make money in gambling will not believe you and will always try to refute your claims with their weak arguments, at the end there is nothing you can do to save them, if they do not lose their money using flawed methods in gambling then they will invest in a ponzi scheme or they will invest in a fraudulent ico and lose their money that way.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on July 23, 2019, 02:43:04 PM

Gamblers had used all sorts of strategies to have an edge of winning many games I can only say its a pure luck thus there is never any working strategy or holy grail however what baffles is the proliferation of gambling sites, casinos on the internet that really shows that more gamblers are getting more interest in gambling of course the possibility of some gamblers earning good profits is certain while a lot of losers will also emerges while some might gamble for fun not minding winning or losing.

I think the idea is to gamble for fun and never thinking of making profit since strategies to breaking the odds never exist. There is no business without a winning strategy and I see no reason why gambling should be an exception if it should be termed a profession. This is really saddening and heart breaking

I made up my mind to stop hoping I would have a breakthrough in gambling after I realized that I have spent over 7BTCs in gambling and yet not been able to make profit of up to 4BTCs. That’s absurd and I really think that these gambling operators are out to rip us off. I am confused at the moment. Should I continue playing for fun while I keep losing or focus on making profit, while I am hopeful for the future or just quit gambling completely? Honestly it is really confusing at the moment.

This is worst gambling. First thing you should need to have is to be able to trace how much have you actually put in the game and how much are you making. It is not rational at all to put in 7Bitcoin in the game and not been able to make 4 Bitcoin even. Better stay limited to your Bitcoins and you will be happy to see the growth in days to come. Hope for Bitcoin halving.

Yikes. Yea a lot of gamblers don't really know (or even want to know) how much they spent overall. I guess they just like to ignore the fact that they've lost a lot of money, because hey: they could win it all back right? Just gotta bet a few hundred more dollars and I'll be in the positive again!

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Quote from: BitcoinTurk on July 24, 2019, 11:12:00 AM

There are so many gamblers around me and I know that when I have the opportunity to chat with all of them they give tactical advice for no reason. In particular, I would like to point out that there is no exact tactic to win, but by chance there is a tactic that contributes to your earning. There is a fact (never forget this fact) that no one will really share with you if they discover a tactic that wins. Man is selfish by nature and always wins a safe in gambling. Therefore, it should be known that a person who discovers a really good method of winnings will never share this method, and there is never a tactic that guarantees a definite win in gambling.

Yea, I find in unfortunate that so many people think this way, because others legitimately believe them. Sometimes it ends up costing people lots of money because they don't realize that they are being tricked. They are kind of stupid, but at least they are not an asshole like the guy selling them the method is. Usually the guys who try to sell this shit are just gambling their earnings away anyway, so I guess it works out... Grin

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There are so many gamblers around me and I know that when I have the opportunity to chat with all of them they give tactical advice for no reason. In particular, I would like to point out that there is no exact tactic to win, but by chance there is a tactic that contributes to your earning. There is a fact (never forget this fact) that no one will really share with you if they discover a tactic that wins. Man is selfish by nature and always wins a safe in gambling. Therefore, it should be known that a person who discovers a really good method of winnings will never share this method, and there is never a tactic that guarantees a definite win in gambling.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on July 23, 2019, 02:43:04 PM

Gamblers had used all sorts of strategies to have an edge of winning many games I can only say its a pure luck thus there is never any working strategy or holy grail however what baffles is the proliferation of gambling sites, casinos on the internet that really shows that more gamblers are getting more interest in gambling of course the possibility of some gamblers earning good profits is certain while a lot of losers will also emerges while some might gamble for fun not minding winning or losing.

I think the idea is to gamble for fun and never thinking of making profit since strategies to breaking the odds never exist. There is no business without a winning strategy and I see no reason why gambling should be an exception if it should be termed a profession. This is really saddening and heart breaking

I made up my mind to stop hoping I would have a breakthrough in gambling after I realized that I have spent over 7BTCs in gambling and yet not been able to make profit of up to 4BTCs. That’s absurd and I really think that these gambling operators are out to rip us off. I am confused at the moment. Should I continue playing for fun while I keep losing or focus on making profit, while I am hopeful for the future or just quit gambling completely? Honestly it is really confusing at the moment.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on July 24, 2019, 06:01:53 AM

I'm not against those who are making and selling scripts but instead of buying scripts which has the same fate at the end as no script. Just used the money/coin and add it into your bankroll. You'll just end up blaming the seller ans site because of your high expectation claimed by the seller that adds your winning percentage.

Personally I find those guys who buy these kind of scripts fool if they buy it thinking that they have got a money making script. Scripts are to automate things it just that over a small session a script might give you good result but in long run it never works.

What's the point of blaming the seller afterwards since you lost because of your own foolishness.

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Quote from: emberbekas on July 23, 2019, 07:28:29 AM

Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 21, 2019, 02:11:27 AM

There is no working strategy in gambling that is why people creating many strategies and saying that it will work and it might worked.

but this is nothing more than luck if the strategies we are using working for us and only for very short time.

True, there is no strategy that will give us a steady profits if we use it continuously. Indeed, strategy can work sometimes, but it won't last long. That's why we need to manage our balance and have to know when to end our gambling session or otherwise, we will lose more and more. Let's make simple logic. If there is a strategy to give us a steady profit in gambling, will there still be a casino?

Most newcomers in gambling does not understand this concept that strategies will not work in gambling. We have youtube and many other channels which shows many strategies on how to win in gambling but I am afraid that none of those strategies will grantee you any win. If anyone finds a permanent way of winning in gambling, would that would mean that casino will lose all their money and become bankrupt Huh

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Quote from: emberbekas on July 23, 2019, 07:28:29 AM

Let's make simple logic. If there is a strategy to give us a steady profit in gambling, will there still be a casino?

I think this is indeed a wise question really, let's take football betting for example, if there is a strategy to always decide which team would come out victorious, how then would the betting companies/casinos survive as well as make profits.
Gambling was never meant to have any winning strategy, or else it wouldn't make any sense then, for me luck plays so much of a part in it, I see no reason to pay for scripts.

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Quote from: monalia on July 23, 2019, 03:17:39 PM

LOL you are giving mathematics class for we people to win on gambling field.

Do you have any strategy on winning sports bets? I really to bet for football and tennis matches. If there is strategy it will be happy for me Wink

Basically you can't get strategy that can make youbwin the odds on sportbet because football betting or sport depends on the team straight and not base on any strategy. Most of my bet on soccer are base on my trust on the team that I want to bet on. For tennis, am not a fans but, if I want to choose I will chose the good player over the other irrespective of the odds.

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There is no method that works on gambling other than relying on luck. Planning a strategy to win on gambling only makes us confident in what we do. In fact it will be difficult to win against house.

Making a strategy on gambling games is good, especially if you have the plan to make a limit of using the money, so you don't be too sad if you are losing money. But we know that getting a win in the gambling will be difficult because we depend on the luck and that is not possible to get the luck comes to you many times. And if you want to beat the house, you will not have a big chance to do that as the house will win in the end.

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