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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 15, 2023, 05:09:38 AM

@Sithara007 I totally agree with you and I felt that BCCI could have planned better and could have asked th player’s to prepare for this final but surprisingly there was no such directive from them and in the end team India lost another final. Lastly team India needs a new young dynamic captain who’s keen to play for the nation first and unless they get such a leader I doubt that they’ll win an ICC tournament anytime soon.

At this point, Kohli and his cronies such as Rohit control the team selection. This need to be changed. Rahul Dravid as the coach hasn't been able to do much against the senior players. There is no accountability within the Indian team and players are retained despite not performing for years on the trot. Players who doesn't have the support from this cabal, such as T Natarajan and Venkatesh Iyer are often overlooked for selection, while undeserving players are selected just because of their closeness to Kohli. Unless this system is changed, India is not going to win any of the ICC tournaments anytime soon.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 14, 2023, 10:11:32 PM

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The IPL was not great preparation, ground for the Indian team when they went to play the WTC final. Of course, India was not going to do well in that match. They prepared themselves for the ideal. They also had to give their hundred percent to the IPL. The players just could not make the transition well enough. A lot of people are talking about the captaincy of Rohit Sharma. But I have to say India failed when it comes to individual performances as well.

Honestly, I don’t think a lot of people care about this too much. Well, of course, it was the WTC final. So a certain amount of people are always going to care.

In the end, it comes down to priorities. For the players, the vast majority of their annual earnings come from the IPL, so it is a higher priority for them. And I have a feeling that the Indian team has now given up on the idea of winning an ICC championship. The last time they did so was in 2013, and that was when Mahendra Singh Dhoni was captaining the Indian team. Under Kohli and Rohit, they simply don't have the capability to win any of the ICC tournaments. And they don't even try to win any tournaments nowadays. The seriousness is not there.

@Sithara007 I totally agree with you and I felt that BCCI could have planned better and could have asked th player’s to prepare for this final but surprisingly there was no such directive from them and in the end team India lost another final. Lastly team India needs a new young dynamic captain who’s keen to play for the nation first and unless they get such a leader I doubt that they’ll win an ICC tournament anytime soon.

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Quote from: DanWalker on June 14, 2023, 02:45:19 PM

The IPL was not great preparation, ground for the Indian team when they went to play the WTC final. Of course, India was not going to do well in that match. They prepared themselves for the ideal. They also had to give their hundred percent to the IPL. The players just could not make the transition well enough. A lot of people are talking about the captaincy of Rohit Sharma. But I have to say India failed when it comes to individual performances as well.

Honestly, I don’t think a lot of people care about this too much. Well, of course, it was the WTC final. So a certain amount of people are always going to care.

In the end, it comes down to priorities. For the players, the vast majority of their annual earnings come from the IPL, so it is a higher priority for them. And I have a feeling that the Indian team has now given up on the idea of winning an ICC championship. The last time they did so was in 2013, and that was when Mahendra Singh Dhoni was captaining the Indian team. Under Kohli and Rohit, they simply don't have the capability to win any of the ICC tournaments. And they don't even try to win any tournaments nowadays. The seriousness is not there.

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Some of the players didn't took part in the IPL (such as Cheteshwar Pujara) and still failed during the WTC final. And then there were some who were out of form during the IPL, like Rohit Sharma and Shardul Thakur. The real reason why the Indian team failed during WTC is because of lack of preparation. They were playing in hot and humid conditions in India, and that too in flat tracks with smaller boundaries. The conditions in England were diametrically opposite and the team didn't got enough time to get adjusted. Also, they didn't focused much on the preparations.

IPL ended with WTC also ended in disaster for the Indian team many stars fail to give their best and give up badly in both innings which is surely under criticism by many former cricketers and currently involved in this game around the world but one thing which is not highlighted still looking for the reply as Indian captain Rohit Sharma also give is view about this all why we have to play final in June and why we have to do this every time after IPL we can do this on any other time as well with many venues are available, and we also have time frame as well as why this all is going like this for two time and both times India fail because players right now IPL fail to give their best in RED-BALL which is completely different from the WHITE-BALL so ICC and BCCI also need to check this all and try to have things different in next final because for me most chances we will have India again in final for the next round as well.

The IPL was not great preparation, ground for the Indian team when they went to play the WTC final. Of course, India was not going to do well in that match. They prepared themselves for the ideal. They also had to give their hundred percent to the IPL. The players just could not make the transition well enough. A lot of people are talking about the captaincy of Rohit Sharma. But I have to say India failed when it comes to individual performances as well.

Honestly, I don’t think a lot of people care about this too much. Well, of course, it was the WTC final. So a certain amount of people are always going to care.

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However right after the IPL we saw that the Indian batting line up failed miserably in the world cup test final against Australia. Was it because of the transition from the T20 direct to the test format or was it anything else that caused the batting failure?

Some of the players didn't took part in the IPL (such as Cheteshwar Pujara) and still failed during the WTC final. And then there were some who were out of form during the IPL, like Rohit Sharma and Shardul Thakur. The real reason why the Indian team failed during WTC is because of lack of preparation. They were playing in hot and humid conditions in India, and that too in flat tracks with smaller boundaries. The conditions in England were diametrically opposite and the team didn't got enough time to get adjusted. Also, they didn't focused much on the preparations.

IPL ended with WTC also ended in disaster for the Indian team many stars fail to give their best and give up badly in both innings which is surely under criticism by many former cricketers and currently involved in this game around the world but one thing which is not highlighted still looking for the reply as Indian captain Rohit Sharma also give is view about this all why we have to play final in June and why we have to do this every time after IPL we can do this on any other time as well with many venues are available, and we also have time frame as well as why this all is going like this for two time and both times India fail because players right now IPL fail to give their best in RED-BALL which is completely different from the WHITE-BALL so ICC and BCCI also need to check this all and try to have things different in next final because for me most chances we will have India again in final for the next round as well.

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Quote from: minairia3 on June 13, 2023, 01:50:18 PM

I absolutely agree. Preparation is a big part of any team to be able to be successful in any competition. India was more concerned about the IPL. If India was concerned about the world test championship final they’re going to have at least done better compared to what they did. But that’s understandable. Because the IPL is the biggest tournament in cricket after the world cup. But the performance of India in the final against Australia was absolutely horrible. And I expected better from India in that match. And of course, let’s not say that India lost because the decisions went against them. That is just a part of cricket.

As a matter of fact, the BCCI doesn't benefit much from the WTC finals. The tournament is being organized by the ICC, and all the revenues (including gate collection) goes to the ICC coffers. IPL is not like that. The BCCI directly benefits from the IPL revenues. So it makes sense for the BCCI to give higher priority for the IPL, rather than the WTC final. Still the ICC should not complain much. Since India featured in the finals, the TV and OTT rights holders are happy. The got a big boost in the form of subscription and advertisement revenues. If India had failed to qualify for the finals, then they would be in trouble.

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Quote from: minairia3 on June 13, 2023, 01:50:18 PM

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However right after the IPL we saw that the Indian batting line up failed miserably in the world cup test final against Australia. Was it because of the transition from the T20 direct to the test format or was it anything else that caused the batting failure?

Some of the players didn't took part in the IPL (such as Cheteshwar Pujara) and still failed during the WTC final. And then there were some who were out of form during the IPL, like Rohit Sharma and Shardul Thakur. The real reason why the Indian team failed during WTC is because of lack of preparation. They were playing in hot and humid conditions in India, and that too in flat tracks with smaller boundaries. The conditions in England were diametrically opposite and the team didn't got enough time to get adjusted. Also, they didn't focused much on the preparations.

I absolutely agree. Preparation is a big part of any team to be able to be successful in any competition. India was more concerned about the IPL. If India was concerned about the world test championship final they’re going to have at least done better compared to what they did. But that’s understandable. Because the IPL is the biggest tournament in cricket after the world cup. But the performance of India in the final against Australia was absolutely horrible. And I expected better from India in that match. And of course, let’s not say that India lost because the decisions went against them. That is just a part of cricket.

Once after loss we can see more and more reasons coming out for the loss. If it was a win, the credit goes to the players. As said these are all part of cricket. Very few players were resting during the IPL, but they could've had their practice sessions. Rest were directly into the WTC after the IPL. More leagues played around keeps the players at good position, here they were confident or something unexpected happened and ended up losing.

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India's players can gain a lot of experience in hosting the IPL. Organizing IPL is very important to highlight Indian players as very strong in the international arena. But organizing all these leagues gives motivation to the players. However, India faced Australia in a Test match 7-8 days after the end of IPL. There it was seen that India lost against Australia by a huge margin. The question then is how the Indian players could gain skills from the IPL

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However right after the IPL we saw that the Indian batting line up failed miserably in the world cup test final against Australia. Was it because of the transition from the T20 direct to the test format or was it anything else that caused the batting failure?

Some of the players didn't took part in the IPL (such as Cheteshwar Pujara) and still failed during the WTC final. And then there were some who were out of form during the IPL, like Rohit Sharma and Shardul Thakur. The real reason why the Indian team failed during WTC is because of lack of preparation. They were playing in hot and humid conditions in India, and that too in flat tracks with smaller boundaries. The conditions in England were diametrically opposite and the team didn't got enough time to get adjusted. Also, they didn't focused much on the preparations.

I absolutely agree. Preparation is a big part of any team to be able to be successful in any competition. India was more concerned about the IPL. If India was concerned about the world test championship final they’re going to have at least done better compared to what they did. But that’s understandable. Because the IPL is the biggest tournament in cricket after the world cup. But the performance of India in the final against Australia was absolutely horrible. And I expected better from India in that match. And of course, let’s not say that India lost because the decisions went against them. That is just a part of cricket.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on June 10, 2023, 02:23:16 PM

However right after the IPL we saw that the Indian batting line up failed miserably in the world cup test final against Australia. Was it because of the transition from the T20 direct to the test format or was it anything else that caused the batting failure?

Some of the players didn't took part in the IPL (such as Cheteshwar Pujara) and still failed during the WTC final. And then there were some who were out of form during the IPL, like Rohit Sharma and Shardul Thakur. The real reason why the Indian team failed during WTC is because of lack of preparation. They were playing in hot and humid conditions in India, and that too in flat tracks with smaller boundaries. The conditions in England were diametrically opposite and the team didn't got enough time to get adjusted. Also, they didn't focused much on the preparations.

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LOL.. are you claiming that CSK doesn't have any quality players? That is factually incorrect. Obviously they had a mix of young and old in their team, but it would be wrong to say that they are without star players. Ajinkya Rahane and Ravindra Jadeja are regular Indian players, while among the overseas contingent they had players such as Devon Conway, Moeen Ali, Ben Stokes, Mitchell Santner and Maheesh Theekshana, who are some of the best T20 players in the world. Captaincy obviously helped, but then their players also contributed in a big way.

Indian leagues are attempting to meet the needs of sports by providing opportunities for growth in each season, not an easy one but they're trying. Although their clubs are inferior, underrated clubs like CSK will win at the end of the day, displaying superb performance in league games, capable of winning top clubs with the likes of Ravindra Jadeja, one of the good quality players, they have been brought into the limelight where they will enjoy the game's actions. The main difference is that these players' names are not as popular as some of the league's major names.

I really thought that these leagues specially the IPL, which last for 2 months, give the Indian players a lot of mental and physical strength and practice for the international tournaments.

However right after the IPL we saw that the Indian batting line up failed miserably in the world cup test final against Australia. Was it because of the transition from the T20 direct to the test format or was it anything else that caused the batting failure?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 06, 2023, 09:41:00 PM

LOL.. are you claiming that CSK doesn't have any quality players? That is factually incorrect. Obviously they had a mix of young and old in their team, but it would be wrong to say that they are without star players. Ajinkya Rahane and Ravindra Jadeja are regular Indian players, while among the overseas contingent they had players such as Devon Conway, Moeen Ali, Ben Stokes, Mitchell Santner and Maheesh Theekshana, who are some of the best T20 players in the world. Captaincy obviously helped, but then their players also contributed in a big way.

Indian leagues are attempting to meet the needs of sports by providing opportunities for growth in each season, not an easy one but they're trying. Although their clubs are inferior, underrated clubs like CSK will win at the end of the day, displaying superb performance in league games, capable of winning top clubs with the likes of Ravindra Jadeja, one of the good quality players, they have been brought into the limelight where they will enjoy the game's actions. The main difference is that these players' names are not as popular as some of the league's major names.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 06, 2023, 11:10:11 PM

@Rabata there’s no doubt that CSK won because of Dhoni’s leadership and the way the team responded to his tactics was just brilliant. Furthermore he didn’t let the Jadeja issue distract the team and instead kept them focused on winning the IPL title but coming back to Jadeja what do you’ll think will happen to him will he stay or leave CSK?

Jadeja will end up like Suresh Raina. No one can survive in Chennai Super Kings if they are not in good terms with either Mahendra Singh Dhoni or with Narayanaswami Srinivasan. Raina was such a crucial player for them. He had a spat with Srinivasan and now he is not even an active player. If Jadeja is not in good terms with Dhoni, then in all probability he will move to another franchise next season. He is originally from Gujarat, and Gujarat Titans may be a good place for him. But finding a spot for him in GT playing XI would mean dropping Noor Ahmed, who performed brilliantly this season.

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This brother praised Dhoni's captaincy a lot, but he is a captain worthy of praise. Chennai Super Kings did not have any quality players. Still played well with many big teams due to his skillful captaincy if we talk about the final match there Gujarat titans played very well only because of Dhoni's skillful captaincy CSK reached the final in 2023 and won the trophy. While the IPL was going on, it was rumored that this would be Dhoni's last IPL, but keeping his fan following in mind, he might play another IPL. If he plays in IPL 2024 then we will look forward to see better captaincy from him. And the audience will surely enjoy his game too, best of luck to him.

In the final of IPL the match was shown at the Gujarat ground. But CSK's fan followers were more than Gujarat Titans in the gallery. The reason that comes first is the audience's love for Dhoni. Due to his popularity, the number of supporters in the whole team is increased significantly. If next year is Dhoni's last IPL, then every match of CSK will attract the attention of the viewers and audience. Cricket lovers will want to remember the last few days of the much-loved player's cricket for the rest of their lives. Dhoni is an example of how a captain's skill and experience can lead a team to get desire position even though CSK is a weaker team than Gujarat.

@Rabata there’s no doubt that CSK won because of Dhoni’s leadership and the way the team responded to his tactics was just brilliant. Furthermore he didn’t let the Jadeja issue distract the team and instead kept them focused on winning the IPL title but coming back to Jadeja what do you’ll think will happen to him will he stay or leave CSK?

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Quote from: synchronym on June 06, 2023, 05:15:17 AM

This brother praised Dhoni's captaincy a lot, but he is a captain worthy of praise. Chennai Super Kings did not have any quality players. Still played well with many big teams due to his skillful captaincy if we talk about the final match there Gujarat titans played very well only because of Dhoni's skillful captaincy CSK reached the final in 2023 and won the trophy. While the IPL was going on, it was rumored that this would be Dhoni's last IPL, but keeping his fan following in mind, he might play another IPL. If he plays in IPL 2024 then we will look forward to see better captaincy from him. And the audience will surely enjoy his game too, best of luck to him.

In the final of IPL the match was shown at the Gujarat ground. But CSK's fan followers were more than Gujarat Titans in the gallery. The reason that comes first is the audience's love for Dhoni. Due to his popularity, the number of supporters in the whole team is increased significantly. If next year is Dhoni's last IPL, then every match of CSK will attract the attention of the viewers and audience. Cricket lovers will want to remember the last few days of the much-loved player's cricket for the rest of their lives. Dhoni is an example of how a captain's skill and experience can lead a team to get desire position even though CSK is a weaker team than Gujarat.

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Quote from: synchronym on June 06, 2023, 05:15:17 AM

This brother praised Dhoni's captaincy a lot, but he is a captain worthy of praise. Chennai Super Kings did not have any quality players. Still played well with many big teams due to his skillful captaincy if we talk about the final match there Gujarat titans played very well only because of Dhoni's skillful captaincy CSK reached the final in 2023 and won the trophy. While the IPL was going on, it was rumored that this would be Dhoni's last IPL, but keeping his fan following in mind, he might play another IPL. If he plays in IPL 2024 then we will look forward to see better captaincy from him. And the audience will surely enjoy his game too, best of luck to him.

LOL.. are you claiming that CSK doesn't have any quality players? That is factually incorrect. Obviously they had a mix of young and old in their team, but it would be wrong to say that they are without star players. Ajinkya Rahane and Ravindra Jadeja are regular Indian players, while among the overseas contingent they had players such as Devon Conway, Moeen Ali, Ben Stokes, Mitchell Santner and Maheesh Theekshana, who are some of the best T20 players in the world. Captaincy obviously helped, but then their players also contributed in a big way.

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CSK will want to forget their last season they will improve their performance more this time they will try to make a strong comeback. Because they finished the league in a disappointing ninth place last season. The team won only four of their 14 matches. But things didn't work out well for CSK as the team started losing at the start of the season which led to Dhoni taking charge and CSK never got back into the groove. Let's see what Chennai Super Kings do.

After they kicked out non-performers like Kedar Jadhav and Robin Uthappa, their performance seems to have improved. Although they don't have a very large number of star players, Chennai Super Kings do have the best bunch of young emerging players. I am talking about players such as Matheesha Pathirana, Shivam Dube, Ruturaj Gaikwad and Deepak Chahar. While most of the other franchises are overdependent on their senior players, CSK is perhaps the only team where the younger players dominate the seniors. And it bodes well for their future as well.

CSK always had a great captain with them. And MS Dhoni knows very well how to maximize the outcome of the resources that he has in hand. That's why CSK was able to win this IPL. Of course, MS Dhoni is also a great wicketkeeper. He has the fastest hand in cricket so far. We all agree that he did not have many star players on the team. But he was able to maximize the outcome of whatever he had. He is the classic example of hard work and also smart work. I believe he is also the reason why young players are so motivated to do well. CSK is a great combination of talent and experience.

Chennai managed to win the final match due to Dhoni as captain. Reason being, Gujarat scored comparatively better runs but when it comes to intelligence and strategy, Dhoni's name definitely comes up as he is a good wicket keeper and his team doesn't have a very good player. In this I can say that Chennai have won through intelligence and strategy.
Dhoni is one of the richest players and almost everyone knows that this IPL match is the last match of Dhoni's career. But when Dhoni was asked about this, Dhoni replied, thinking about the audience and fan following, he decided to play another match, I got to know through an information.

This brother praised Dhoni's captaincy a lot, but he is a captain worthy of praise. Chennai Super Kings did not have any quality players. Still played well with many big teams due to his skillful captaincy if we talk about the final match there Gujarat titans played very well only because of Dhoni's skillful captaincy CSK reached the final in 2023 and won the trophy. While the IPL was going on, it was rumored that this would be Dhoni's last IPL, but keeping his fan following in mind, he might play another IPL. If he plays in IPL 2024 then we will look forward to see better captaincy from him. And the audience will surely enjoy his game too, best of luck to him.

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CSK always had a great captain with them. And MS Dhoni knows very well how to maximize the outcome of the resources that he has in hand. That's why CSK was able to win this IPL. Of course, MS Dhoni is also a great wicketkeeper. He has the fastest hand in cricket so far. We all agree that he did not have many star players on the team. But he was able to maximize the outcome of whatever he had. He is the classic example of hard work and also smart work. I believe he is also the reason why young players are so motivated to do well. CSK is a great combination of talent and experience.

There are rumors that Sanju Samson will move to CSK for the next season. Not everything is going well for the Chennai Super Kings. Reportedly there is a rift between Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Ravindra Jadeja. Back in 2022, Jadeja was made the captain. But then after a series of defeats he was removed and this led to a spat between him and MSD. Jadeja scored the winning runs for CSK in the final, but that doesn't mean that the issue is settled. My guess is that Samson will replace Jadeja next year, and MSD will be playing as a specialist batsman.

So Dhoni still going to have strong influence on CSK with Ravidra Jadeja is surely going to better way which could be good for him because right now no one can challenge Dhoni here in CSK and management is also going back him which is good because long successful career with still many years in future he will be associated here as mentor or coach as well even I believe they need to keep him as vice captain but may be Jadeja is not feeling comfortable with this, so he is now trying to have better place even as captain in any other franchise.

Sanju Samson could be very good replacement, but my view is now we have no place for Dhoni as specialist batsman because he can't hit like he has done few years back with over 42 is surely need honor, but now it's fast game which needs new blood.

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CSK will want to forget their last season they will improve their performance more this time they will try to make a strong comeback. Because they finished the league in a disappointing ninth place last season. The team won only four of their 14 matches. But things didn't work out well for CSK as the team started losing at the start of the season which led to Dhoni taking charge and CSK never got back into the groove. Let's see what Chennai Super Kings do.

After they kicked out non-performers like Kedar Jadhav and Robin Uthappa, their performance seems to have improved. Although they don't have a very large number of star players, Chennai Super Kings do have the best bunch of young emerging players. I am talking about players such as Matheesha Pathirana, Shivam Dube, Ruturaj Gaikwad and Deepak Chahar. While most of the other franchises are overdependent on their senior players, CSK is perhaps the only team where the younger players dominate the seniors. And it bodes well for their future as well.

CSK always had a great captain with them. And MS Dhoni knows very well how to maximize the outcome of the resources that he has in hand. That's why CSK was able to win this IPL. Of course, MS Dhoni is also a great wicketkeeper. He has the fastest hand in cricket so far. We all agree that he did not have many star players on the team. But he was able to maximize the outcome of whatever he had. He is the classic example of hard work and also smart work. I believe he is also the reason why young players are so motivated to do well. CSK is a great combination of talent and experience.

Chennai managed to win the final match due to Dhoni as captain. Reason being, Gujarat scored comparatively better runs but when it comes to intelligence and strategy, Dhoni's name definitely comes up as he is a good wicket keeper and his team doesn't have a very good player. In this I can say that Chennai have won through intelligence and strategy.
Dhoni is one of the richest players and almost everyone knows that this IPL match is the last match of Dhoni's career. But when Dhoni was asked about this, Dhoni replied, thinking about the audience and fan following, he decided to play another match, I got to know through an information.

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Quote from: posi on June 02, 2023, 04:41:39 AM

CSK always had a great captain with them. And MS Dhoni knows very well how to maximize the outcome of the resources that he has in hand. That's why CSK was able to win this IPL. Of course, MS Dhoni is also a great wicketkeeper. He has the fastest hand in cricket so far. We all agree that he did not have many star players on the team. But he was able to maximize the outcome of whatever he had. He is the classic example of hard work and also smart work. I believe he is also the reason why young players are so motivated to do well. CSK is a great combination of talent and experience.

There are rumors that Sanju Samson will move to CSK for the next season. Not everything is going well for the Chennai Super Kings. Reportedly there is a rift between Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Ravindra Jadeja. Back in 2022, Jadeja was made the captain. But then after a series of defeats he was removed and this led to a spat between him and MSD. Jadeja scored the winning runs for CSK in the final, but that doesn't mean that the issue is settled. My guess is that Samson will replace Jadeja next year, and MSD will be playing as a specialist batsman.

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