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legendary
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And I think it’s certainly better to gamble without any KYC there.  I think most players will agree with me.  Because all these guarantees, as experience and the real development of events show, are all fiction and deceit.

Casinos ask for KYC for a reason, and if they don't, exercise caution when you deal with them. A casino that does not require KYC will have no license to speak of and no reason to pay you out if you win big unless they are a very long-standing, well-known and reputable casino operator. Even then, it can be a gamble. Of course there are exceptions, but in general you shouldn't be holding your fate in the hands of a casino if it means a portion of your money is gone. Instead, remember what casinos are really there for. This is not a charity. A cheap no-KYC casino is most likely a scam. Their main mission is to grab your money and run.
legendary
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When there are so many options available where we can play gambling without KYC, then it's better we avoid the KYC casinos so they stop these KYC mandatory rules.

These mandatory KYC rules will not be stopped especially from a casino that has obtained its license from a regulator. You know, when a casino is regulated, the basic requirement is KYC, and you have to comply if you want to play. Actually, you can choose to gamble on casinos that do not require KYC, but what if they are unlicensed? would you choose comfort over security?
The recent events with the freezing of the reserves of the central bank of Russia, i.e., in fact, the theft of these colossal funds on the instructions, I think the American authorities and financiers, shows how bad everything is in terms of financial guarantees and the preservation of private property rights.  And this is done at the state level!

 What can we say about some kind of guarantees from the availability of licenses and KYC. 
If it goes on like this, then the world will generally slide into barter in kind, as in the Middle Ages. 
And I think it’s certainly better to gamble without any KYC there.  I think most players will agree with me.  Because all these guarantees, as experience and the real development of events show, are all fiction and deceit.
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When there are so many options available where we can play gambling without KYC, then it's better we avoid the KYC casinos so they stop these KYC mandatory rules.

These mandatory KYC rules will not be stopped especially from a casino that has obtained its license from a regulator. You know, when a casino is regulated, the basic requirement is KYC, and you have to comply if you want to play. Actually, you can choose to gamble on casinos that do not require KYC, but what if they are unlicensed? would you choose comfort over security?
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But sadly, when it comes to governments, they can easily pressure crypto-based casinos to follow their rules and we have seen this happen on many sites. And this will later turn the casino into full anonymity and now it looks like web 3.0 has started to become a trend because gamblers can use their wallets directly without the need to register with a gambling site. It is also a form of anonymity so that the identity of the gamblers is not revealed because they are connected through their wallet and they can create the wallet whenever they want.

When this becomes a trend, the government will not be able to use KYC in full because casino sites also do not hold basic data from gamblers. Casino sites only know the address of the gambler's wallet without knowing who the gambler is. At that time, licensing only remained a formality for a casino.
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Well, KYC is a nasty function thought out by the Americans to control everything and everyone, it's just a mockery of the very essence of the anonymity of cryptocurrencies, which has been the main and undeniable advantage of this alternative financial system since their very foundation by Satoshi Nakamoto.  By the way, the identity of Satoshi, which has not been unraveled, is another confirmation of the importance of anonymity. Smiley

Good that we still have a lot of good gambling sites which do not require us to do the KYC and KYC requirements in gambling are very limited.
Those gambling sites that make the KYC mandatory face a considerable decrease in their players playing at their sites because most of the gamblers prefer to remain anonymous. When there are so many options available where we can play gambling without KYC, then it's better we avoid the KYC casinos so they stop these KYC mandatory rules.
legendary
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One of the oldest and most popular Crypto currency casinos, namely Freebitco.in are not licensed and they also do not require KYC details. What does that tell you about the "needs" of the "clients" in this industry?
Gambling licenses don't appear to offer much benefits other than to ensure that behind every platform is a legitimate company that has all the necessary legal rights and responsibilities.

Freebitco.in is in a completely different ballpark. They have a long history and reputation in the community, so the license does not mean anything in their case, unlike many new gambling platforms that have sprung up without being vetted by the Bitcoin community.
Having that sign of legitimacy in the form of a license is a benefit or an advantage because people won't doubt too much and they will play on that site. Every new site have that because that is one of their edge for them to get noticed by the player while most old gambling site don't have a license yet because I think regulation back on time are not heavy as today and even without a license, lots of people are still going to trust them due to their age.

One of the reason that I can think of on why freebitco doesn't have a license is because it was not a real gambling site but it is more on a faucet site where you can get free bitcoins. This is where the starters headed at and it will be a hassle if they are required to do a KYC only for this.
I also think that when it comes to such old and trusted casinos as freebitco.in, having a license is just a formality.  Moreover, the presence of all kinds of licenses cannot be a 100% guarantee in the activities of any casino. 

Well, KYC is a nasty function thought out by the Americans to control everything and everyone, it's just a mockery of the very essence of the anonymity of cryptocurrencies, which has been the main and undeniable advantage of this alternative financial system since their very foundation by Satoshi Nakamoto.  By the way, the identity of Satoshi, which has not been unraveled, is another confirmation of the importance of anonymity. Smiley
legendary
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One of the oldest and most popular Crypto currency casinos, namely Freebitco.in are not licensed and they also do not require KYC details. What does that tell you about the "needs" of the "clients" in this industry?
Gambling licenses don't appear to offer much benefits other than to ensure that behind every platform is a legitimate company that has all the necessary legal rights and responsibilities.

Freebitco.in is in a completely different ballpark. They have a long history and reputation in the community, so the license does not mean anything in their case, unlike many new gambling platforms that have sprung up without being vetted by the Bitcoin community.
Having that sign of legitimacy in the form of a license is a benefit or an advantage because people won't doubt too much and they will play on that site. Every new site have that because that is one of their edge for them to get noticed by the player while most old gambling site don't have a license yet because I think regulation back on time are not heavy as today and even without a license, lots of people are still going to trust them due to their age.

One of the reason that I can think of on why freebitco doesn't have a license is because it was not a real gambling site but it is more on a faucet site where you can get free bitcoins. This is where the starters headed at and it will be a hassle if they are required to do a KYC only for this.

Operating without a gambling license also has its advantages. You don't have a license, so you don't have an umbrella body that has to act as a supervisor. Nobody obliges a casino to perform a KYC. Many players do not feel like a KYC, and an unlicensed casino is easy. As a player you don't have a commission that you can rely on, which is a big disadvantage. But the KYC is also something that has increased significantly in recent years. I have the impression that things used to be much easier and that casinos were not under strict supervision, which is the case now. And then the type of license doesn't even matter. Speaking of the KYC and licensing, the MGA is also a big joke. I know of stories of people having issues with sites, and all the MGA does is check to see if a casino follows the terms and conditions. No matter what it says, the MGA says it's not their responsibility and they are solely responsible for enforcing the site's rules.
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One of the oldest and most popular Crypto currency casinos, namely Freebitco.in are not licensed and they also do not require KYC details. What does that tell you about the "needs" of the "clients" in this industry?
Gambling licenses don't appear to offer much benefits other than to ensure that behind every platform is a legitimate company that has all the necessary legal rights and responsibilities.

Freebitco.in is in a completely different ballpark. They have a long history and reputation in the community, so the license does not mean anything in their case, unlike many new gambling platforms that have sprung up without being vetted by the Bitcoin community.
Having that sign of legitimacy in the form of a license is a benefit or an advantage because people won't doubt too much and they will play on that site. Every new site have that because that is one of their edge for them to get noticed by the player while most old gambling site don't have a license yet because I think regulation back on time are not heavy as today and even without a license, lots of people are still going to trust them due to their age.

One of the reason that I can think of on why freebitco doesn't have a license is because it was not a real gambling site but it is more on a faucet site where you can get free bitcoins. This is where the starters headed at and it will be a hassle if they are required to do a KYC only for this.
legendary
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One of the oldest and most popular Crypto currency casinos, namely Freebitco.in are not licensed and they also do not require KYC details. What does that tell you about the "needs" of the "clients" in this industry?

Gambling licenses don't appear to offer much benefits other than to ensure that behind every platform is a legitimate company that has all the necessary legal rights and responsibilities.

Freebitco.in is in a completely different ballpark. They have a long history and reputation in the community, so the license does not mean anything in their case, unlike many new gambling platforms that have sprung up without being vetted by the Bitcoin community.
legendary
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One of the oldest and most popular Crypto currency casinos, namely Freebitco.in are not licensed and they also do not require KYC details. What does that tell you about the "needs" of the "clients" in this industry?

How effective are the license operators in any way? When Stake.com offered a Lottery that were not allowed under their license, their license was suspended for a review... Stake then just renamed the Lottery to a Giveaway and their license was reinstated.  Roll Eyes

It is nice to know that some regulation are in place, but what teeth do they have... other than cancelling or suspending the license?  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Update: Removed * mark from Betcoin.AG ‘License (Register)’ part as the representative of the casino has confirmed (through pm) that the license validator is available at the site now. I have checked it as well. Both PlayBetr and Betcoin casino operating under the same license. It shouldn't create any problem as we have seen few other casino which are operating under the same license operator.
Added the details of Bitgame in the original post. And I will update the details of BK8 casino soon.
legendary
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The following are some of the results of a quick Google search:
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I honestly had no idea there were so many.
This is quite surprising! A lot of casinos are operating under the Dama N.V. license. But Dama N.V. isn't a master license holder. Dama N.V. is just a company who is operating under Antillephone N.V. master license operators of Curacao. I'm wondering why there are so many casinos under the same company! I have checked few other casinos license operator too, but couldn't find more than one casino under the same license operator like this.

However, some of those Dama N.V. casinos has ANN thread in the forum: BitStarz, mBit Casino, Oshi Casino, WildTornado Casino, 7BitCasino. All of those casinos representative aren't active in the forum. I would like to hear more about Dama N.V. operator from winz.io representative. I will ask them to give a response here again. (Congrats for your 1k merits achievement)
What I suspect is that it is some kind of Igaming provider/platform where sites can rent this software. And they then pay a commission of the profits made every month for example. That is not an unusual construction and there is an entire team that ensures that the software continues to run properly. It also seems to me too complicated to build your own site. The disadvantage is that you will quickly draw comparisons because all sites are part of the same company. That can be detrimental.


It may be a marketing strategy. There are some good benefits for the companies to have a number of casinos registered and it can be perfectly legitimate to be honest. Each of them may address a different public segment of age or habits or a different geographic area, country, etc... There is a less "noble" purpose to own a number of companies that is to saturate the market and avoid the competition entering the business. By default, nothing obviously wrong here.
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The following are some of the results of a quick Google search:
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I honestly had no idea there were so many.
This is quite surprising! A lot of casinos are operating under the Dama N.V. license. But Dama N.V. isn't a master license holder. Dama N.V. is just a company who is operating under Antillephone N.V. master license operators of Curacao. I'm wondering why there are so many casinos under the same company! I have checked few other casinos license operator too, but couldn't find more than one casino under the same license operator like this.

However, some of those Dama N.V. casinos has ANN thread in the forum: BitStarz, mBit Casino, Oshi Casino, WildTornado Casino, 7BitCasino. All of those casinos representative aren't active in the forum. I would like to hear more about Dama N.V. operator from winz.io representative. I will ask them to give a response here again. (Congrats for your 1k merits achievement)

Same as in any other industry there is a supply chain in gambling. It consists of multiple layers, such as but not limited to: regulators, games and odds providers (separate industry itself and can be quite a layered cake), platform providers, payments providers, CRM systems, mailing, security, DDOS protection, technology, analytics and so on.

Same as other industries, the gambling industry is an ecosystem, with many industrial players competing for various niches. And same as in any other industry, every investor chooses how far to go from the perspective of vertical integration. There is a very wide choice on what operators can do in-house vs outsourcing.


We partially rely on a professional gambling technology provider, who also happens to offer a licensing solution. The provider is Softswiss (https://www.softswiss.com/), quite reputable and very reliable, utilizing best practices when it comes to IT security as well overall stability.

This path has upsides and downsides, in our particular case allowing us to focus on players and marketing and reduce the burden of massive back-end technology maintenance that a typical owner of technology has to live with. The same goes for licensing, we rely on Softswiss here.

We have been contemplating applying for our own license lately exactly for the reason that a natural question pops up why so many casinos and just one license. There is a good explanation, but it does pop up and we feel that it will continue to be so in the future. But we are in the middle of evaluating the pros and cons.
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Great table.

I would personally like to see another column with a "worst case scenario" for each casino. E.g. if you fail to identify yourself, what would happen? Do they seize your funds, refund you the whole amount & close your account, or refund your deposit only?

May be a bit hard to find that info, perhaps look at T&Cs?

It depends on each particular gambling site and I think that even if you find some information about this case in the T&Cs, everything is more or less flexible and depends on each particular case. However, as far as I know, most online casinos use this opportunity to prevent your withdrawals if you are unable to confirm your identity.
hero member
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The following are some of the results of a quick Google search:
~snip~
I honestly had no idea there were so many.
This is quite surprising! A lot of casinos are operating under the Dama N.V. license. But Dama N.V. isn't a master license holder. Dama N.V. is just a company who is operating under Antillephone N.V. master license operators of Curacao. I'm wondering why there are so many casinos under the same company! I have checked few other casinos license operator too, but couldn't find more than one casino under the same license operator like this.

However, some of those Dama N.V. casinos has ANN thread in the forum: BitStarz, mBit Casino, Oshi Casino, WildTornado Casino, 7BitCasino. All of those casinos representative aren't active in the forum. I would like to hear more about Dama N.V. operator from winz.io representative. I will ask them to give a response here again. (Congrats for your 1k merits achievement)
What I suspect is that it is some kind of Igaming provider/platform where sites can rent this software. And they then pay a commission of the profits made every month for example. That is not an unusual construction and there is an entire team that ensures that the software continues to run properly. It also seems to me too complicated to build your own site. The disadvantage is that you will quickly draw comparisons because all sites are part of the same company. That can be detrimental.
legendary
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The following are some of the results of a quick Google search:
~snip~
I honestly had no idea there were so many.
This is quite surprising! A lot of casinos are operating under the Dama N.V. license. But Dama N.V. isn't a master license holder. Dama N.V. is just a company who is operating under Antillephone N.V. master license operators of Curacao. I'm wondering why there are so many casinos under the same company! I have checked few other casinos license operator too, but couldn't find more than one casino under the same license operator like this.

However, some of those Dama N.V. casinos has ANN thread in the forum: BitStarz, mBit Casino, Oshi Casino, WildTornado Casino, 7BitCasino. All of those casinos representative aren't active in the forum. I would like to hear more about Dama N.V. operator from winz.io representative. I will ask them to give a response here again. (Congrats for your 1k merits achievement)
legendary
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I think this thread should stay, stay at the top on the gambling board, what @Mahdirakib is doing, important information for newcomers who want to see and play gambling on existing sites, they can choose a gambling site which is good for them kyc or not.

So far, many gambling sites have sprung up, some have licenses, KYC and some have no clear information, it seems that anyone who wants to dive into the world of gambling should see and read this thread to avoid gambling sites that lead to scams.

@Mahdirakib, don't forget to add a new gambling site if there is one, of course the official one has a license and so on, must be honest and responsible.
legendary
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Are there more casinos under the same company (Dama N.V.)?

The following are some of the results of a quick Google search:

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Dama N.V. Casinos
    Lucky Dreams
    Arlekin Casino
    Slotman Casino
    SlotVibe Casino
    Joo Casino
    Fightclub Casino
    Kosmonaut Casino
    7Bit Casino
    Slotum Casino
    Goodman Casino
    King Billy Casino
    LevelUp Casino
    Katsubet Casino
    Ricky Casino
    Queenspin Casino
    Kim Vegas Casino
    Oshi Casino
    Dazard Casino
    FastPay Casino
    Yoju Casino
    Winz Casino
    Gunsbet Casino
    Olympia Casio
    Wild Tornado
    Spin Samurai
    Bitkingz
    Kingdom Casino
    FortuneToWin
    Loki Casino
    GetSlots Casino
    Woo Casino
    mBit Casino
    Cobra Casino
    Bitcoin Casino
    Playamo Casino
    iLucki Casino
    Konung Casino
    Bao Casino
    Golden Star Casino
    Casino4u
    Greenspin.bet
    Cleopatra Casino
    BitStarz Casino
    CasinoChan
    DLX Casino
    Wild Blaster Casino
    Surf Casino
    TTR Casino
source: https://www.onlinecasinogroups.com/softswiss-casinos/

I honestly had no idea there were so many.
legendary
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Update: Added 4 more casinos in the list. And they are EarnBet, Fairlay, Livecasino, TrustDice. @FatFork, Thank you for the suggestion about Livecasino.

This is a great question and pops up frequently. Same as all companies utilizing the Dama NV license, we use technical infrastructure and a license as a 3rd party service provided to us. However, the owner and management of both casinos are not affiliated.
Are there more casinos under the same company (Dama N.V.)? I have collected the data from many crypto casino, but I haven't found similarities like this. Bitcasino & Livecasino has the same license, because both platforms are owned and operated by the same team members. If BetChain.com and Winz.io aren't affiliated then why both casinos are using the same company license register? Will it cost much to have an unique license registered company?
legendary
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I think such casinos doesn't exists. Licensed means that customer will be forced to pass through KYC.

we have seen here that there are some licensed casinos that don't require KYC

What casinos? Give me a few examples, please

. unless, you are a high roller and you surpass their limits ( usually 2k EUR or 2k USD). otherwise, you can play without worrying about KYC. and they have gaming license.

2000 usd is total amount after which whey will ask you for KYC. At least this happened to me.

just to give example is stake and betfury.

Ok. And where this casinos licensed? On offshores?
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