Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements - page 11.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on February 15, 2022, 01:23:32 PM

Quote from: FatFork on February 14, 2022, 03:06:36 PM

The following are some of the results of a quick Google search:
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I honestly had no idea there were so many.

This is quite surprising! A lot of casinos are operating under the Dama N.V. license. But Dama N.V. isn't a master license holder. Dama N.V. is just a company who is operating under Antillephone N.V. master license operators of Curacao. I'm wondering why there are so many casinos under the same company! I have checked few other casinos license operator too, but couldn't find more than one casino under the same license operator like this.

However, some of those Dama N.V. casinos has ANN thread in the forum: BitStarz, mBit Casino, Oshi Casino, WildTornado Casino, 7BitCasino. All of those casinos representative aren't active in the forum. I would like to hear more about Dama N.V. operator from winz.io representative. I will ask them to give a response here again. ^{(Congrats for your 1k merits achievement)}

What I suspect is that it is some kind of Igaming provider/platform where sites can rent this software. And they then pay a commission of the profits made every month for example. That is not an unusual construction and there is an entire team that ensures that the software continues to run properly. It also seems to me too complicated to build your own site. The disadvantage is that you will quickly draw comparisons because all sites are part of the same company. That can be detrimental.

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Quote from: FatFork on February 14, 2022, 03:06:36 PM

The following are some of the results of a quick Google search:
~snip~
I honestly had no idea there were so many.

This is quite surprising! A lot of casinos are operating under the Dama N.V. license. But Dama N.V. isn't a master license holder. Dama N.V. is just a company who is operating under Antillephone N.V. master license operators of Curacao. I'm wondering why there are so many casinos under the same company! I have checked few other casinos license operator too, but couldn't find more than one casino under the same license operator like this.

However, some of those Dama N.V. casinos has ANN thread in the forum: BitStarz, mBit Casino, Oshi Casino, WildTornado Casino, 7BitCasino. All of those casinos representative aren't active in the forum. I would like to hear more about Dama N.V. operator from winz.io representative. I will ask them to give a response here again. ^{(Congrats for your 1k merits achievement)}

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I think this thread should stay, stay at the top on the gambling board, what @Mahdirakib is doing, important information for newcomers who want to see and play gambling on existing sites, they can choose a gambling site which is good for them kyc or not.

So far, many gambling sites have sprung up, some have licenses, KYC and some have no clear information, it seems that anyone who wants to dive into the world of gambling should see and read this thread to avoid gambling sites that lead to scams.

@Mahdirakib, don't forget to add a new gambling site if there is one, of course the official one has a license and so on, must be honest and responsible.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on February 14, 2022, 11:16:25 AM

Are there more casinos under the same company (Dama N.V.)?

The following are some of the results of a quick Google search:

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Dama N.V. Casinos
Lucky Dreams
Arlekin Casino
Slotman Casino
SlotVibe Casino
Joo Casino
Fightclub Casino
Kosmonaut Casino
7Bit Casino
Slotum Casino
Goodman Casino
King Billy Casino
LevelUp Casino
Katsubet Casino
Ricky Casino
Queenspin Casino
Kim Vegas Casino
Oshi Casino
Dazard Casino
FastPay Casino
Yoju Casino
Winz Casino
Gunsbet Casino
Olympia Casio
Wild Tornado
Spin Samurai
Bitkingz
Kingdom Casino
FortuneToWin
Loki Casino
GetSlots Casino
Woo Casino
mBit Casino
Cobra Casino
Bitcoin Casino
Playamo Casino
iLucki Casino
Konung Casino
Bao Casino
Golden Star Casino
Casino4u
Greenspin.bet
Cleopatra Casino
BitStarz Casino
CasinoChan
DLX Casino
Wild Blaster Casino
Surf Casino
TTR Casino

source: https://www.onlinecasinogroups.com/softswiss-casinos/

I honestly had no idea there were so many.

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Update: Added 4 more casinos in the list. And they are EarnBet, Fairlay, Livecasino, TrustDice. @FatFork, Thank you for the suggestion about Livecasino.

Quote from: winz.io on February 10, 2022, 09:42:22 AM

This is a great question and pops up frequently. Same as all companies utilizing the Dama NV license, we use technical infrastructure and a license as a 3rd party service provided to us. However, the owner and management of both casinos are not affiliated.

Are there more casinos under the same company (Dama N.V.)? I have collected the data from many crypto casino, but I haven't found similarities like this. Bitcasino & Livecasino has the same license, because both platforms are owned and operated by the same team members. If BetChain.com and Winz.io aren't affiliated then why both casinos are using the same company license register? Will it cost much to have an unique license registered company?

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on February 04, 2022, 07:00:07 PM

Quote from: johhnyUA on February 04, 2022, 04:24:06 PM

I think such casinos doesn't exists. Licensed means that customer will be forced to pass through KYC.

we have seen here that there are some licensed casinos that don't require KYC

What casinos? Give me a few examples, please

Quote from: AmoreJaz on February 04, 2022, 07:00:07 PM

. unless, you are a high roller and you surpass their limits ( usually 2k EUR or 2k USD). otherwise, you can play without worrying about KYC. and they have gaming license.

2000 usd is total amount after which whey will ask you for KYC. At least this happened to me.

Quote from: AmoreJaz on February 04, 2022, 07:00:07 PM

just to give example is stake and betfury.

Ok. And where this casinos licensed? On offshores?

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Quote from: FatFork on February 10, 2022, 05:41:02 PM

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According to their representative, KYC requirements are the same as for Bitcasino, "if needed".

Quote from: _livecasino.io_ on February 02, 2022, 10:14:46 AM

KYC: KYC is not required, unless some activities require extra checks, then KYC will be requested

There are also such legal constructions built around the verification procedures, such as "you will have to pass KYC. if necessary, or KYC is required only in exceptional cases, etc." All this is definitely slyness and deceit. And you must immediately be prepared that KYC will have to be performed. But, I think the lawyers wrote this way so that a person who does not want to introduce himself, but wants to remain anonymous, would have as little suspicion as possible that in the event of a withdrawal of the winnings, he would receive money and remain anonymous.
But, I think experienced players know all these tricks on the part of lawyers and are ready to say goodbye to anonymity.

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Mahdirakib, you might want to include livecasino.io to the list. Livecasino.io is a sister brand of Bitcasino (which is already on your list) that focuses more on Live Casino games. Both platforms are managed by the same company, Moon Technologies B.V., and share the same Curaçao eGaming license:

Quote from: GamblingBro on February 02, 2022, 04:04:33 AM

It is obvious that Bitcasino.io and Livecasino.io are managed by the same company:

https://verification.curacao-egaming.com/validateview.aspx?domain=livecasino.io

According to their representative, KYC requirements are the same as for Bitcasino, "if needed".

Quote from: _livecasino.io_ on February 02, 2022, 10:14:46 AM

KYC: KYC is not required, unless some activities require extra checks, then KYC will be requested

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Quote from: poldanmig on February 10, 2022, 05:47:29 AM

If indeed the casino can guarantee to maintain the security of our personal identity

But the majority of us already lost that trust and confidence to any website and not just with the casinos that are asking kyc per se.

Quote from: poldanmig on February 10, 2022, 05:47:29 AM

I think there is nothing wrong with doing kyc from the beginning to register to meet their requirements

Nothing wrong if you think that the casino is trustworthy and you're really fine doing that. But many of us won't agree with the same thing as what you've said.

Quote from: poldanmig on February 10, 2022, 05:47:29 AM

my friend once had experience betting on local online gambling sites and they did not make kyc as the initial requirements to join the site, but when my friend got the jackpot with a large enough prize, suddenly the site said the player account could not make the first withdrawal on the grounds that it had not been kyc and canceled the prize.

Even in some casinos, when you hit a jackpot and you're about to withdraw. There's a big chance that they will ask you for it.

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Quote from: delfastTions on February 05, 2022, 03:07:15 AM

It is absolutely true that it is written above that passing KYC can cause problems, and if KYC is not required, then this can also cause problems. In short, it turns out that in any case there may be problems for the gamers. And there are only two problems:
1. There is no way to get the winnings if KYC has not passed Angry

2. If you winnings and you have passed KYC then it fell under the control of the tax service and apparently will have to be divided- part government Sad

. But this is in good countries where there are no gangs of extortionists. And in bad countries, with high crime, everything can be taken away. So whatever one may say this damn KYC is nothing but problems. And what bastard came up with it and now demands it everywhere?

The reason why this is so common place is that politicians fear their citizens, and they do for one simple reason, they do not serve them anymore, and as such most of their policies can be explained by understanding that fear.

Why they try to regulate cryptocurrencies so much? Because they do not want people to have the freedom to do whatever they want with their money as that will weaken the control they have over them, and they are scared of that, so casinos and exchanges are always on their radar and as such slowly but surely they have accomplished their goal of most licensed casinos asking for your documents for whatever reason.

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Quote from: poldanmig on February 10, 2022, 05:47:29 AM

If indeed the casino can guarantee to maintain the security of our personal identity, I think there is nothing wrong with doing kyc from the beginning to register to meet their requirements, my friend once had experience betting on local online gambling sites and they did not make kyc as the initial requirements to join the site, but when my friend got the jackpot with a large enough prize, suddenly the site said the player account could not make the first withdrawal on the grounds that it had not been kyc and canceled the prize.

You should not talk too naively about who is the owner of your personal data that you yourself sent to them when you performed the KYC procedure, which guarantees the preservation of this data and the non-disclosure of data to other persons and blocking public access. Casinos can be forced to release confidential customer information by government agencies, or it can simply be hacked and made public. Experience shows that this happens quite often. A recent example is the hacking and publication of the leger hardware wallet customer base in the summer of 2000. Then about a million buyers ceased to be anonymous. And it was very painful for them. So it is with the casino, information may not leak, or it may leak despite any security guarantees.
In this, I see great harm to the psychological state of any client from these KYC, when, in fact, no casino needs any knowledge of the client at all. It is generally redundant.

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Quote from: FatFork on February 10, 2022, 05:00:55 AM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on February 10, 2022, 01:42:30 AM

I have found some similarities between two casinos license operator during the process. They are BetChain.com and Winz.io. I will ask both casinos representative to give some clarification here regarding this matter.

Yes, both casinos appear to be owned and operated by the same company, Dama N.V., and share the same gambling license. In addition, as far as I can tell, their Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policies are nearly identical. This isn't unusual in the world of crypto gambling, as there are numerous platforms that operate in the same way. Knowing this, however, is useful because if there is a problem with one platform, we can anticipate potential threats with others related platforms before they happen.

This is a great question and pops up frequently. Same as all companies utilizing the Dama NV license, we use technical infrastructure and a license as a 3rd party service provided to us. However, the owner and management of both casinos are not affiliated.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on February 07, 2022, 01:25:36 AM

You can actually just make a list of casinos that are not asking for KYC information, because it will be way shorter than your current list. The trend with casinos seem to be to start without the strict KYC requirements and as soon as they hooked enough gamblers, they change that policy to ask for KYC information.

The KYC standard might be good for casinos, but it absolutely destroys Pseudo anonymity in Crypto currencies. Imagine if you were one of the Bitcoin whales and you are sitting on a couple of 1000 of coins and you have to give your personal information to a casino operator that might go scam later on. Roll Eyes

.... or your database get hacked or one of the employees get access to the information and they give it to a crime syndicate. Roll Eyes

Stake.com started with a very relaxed KYC requirement, basically just asking for a email address... now they are aggressively encouraging people to validate higher levels of KYC requirements.

Actually I think the number of casinos that do not require a KYC are much more than the casinos that requires a KYC, you even said that in your reply. Casinos started without a KYC and then they will now require KYC later on but i think this practice is unethical but casino players will quit on playing with them if they are not comfortable with the KYC requirement.

Casinos are only risking the foundation that they already built only for this KYC. I tried playing on stake casino and no they do not force me to do a KYC. KYC on their site is just optional but doing a KYC can unlock some benefits and they can give you extra rewards if your participating on their promotions.

If indeed the casino can guarantee to maintain the security of our personal identity, I think there is nothing wrong with doing kyc from the beginning to register to meet their requirements, my friend once had experience betting on local online gambling sites and they did not make kyc as the initial requirements to join the site, but when my friend got the jackpot with a large enough prize, suddenly the site said the player account could not make the first withdrawal on the grounds that it had not been kyc and canceled the prize.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on February 10, 2022, 01:42:30 AM

I have found some similarities between two casinos license operator during the process. They are BetChain.com and Winz.io. I will ask both casinos representative to give some clarification here regarding this matter.

Yes, both casinos appear to be owned and operated by the same company, Dama N.V., and share the same gambling license. In addition, as far as I can tell, their Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policies are nearly identical. This isn't unusual in the world of crypto gambling, as there are numerous platforms that operate in the same way. Knowing this, however, is useful because if there is a problem with one platform, we can anticipate potential threats with others related platforms before they happen.

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Quote from: notblox1 on January 26, 2022, 03:34:02 PM

I would like to see more info for license number and link if possible.

Quote from: FatFork on February 04, 2022, 11:40:37 AM

If we know the company registration number, there is a direct url that can be used to get an Excerpt from the Curaçao Commercial Register.
It's just a matter of replacing the ID number with the correct registration number of the company you want to check.

Added the Curacao commercial register number with verifier link in “License(Register)” column. Also added the individual company name of each casino by adding a “License Operator” column in the table. @FatFork, Thank you for the idea. @notblox1, now you can verify the Curacao commercial register of each casino. Hopefully it will help every forum members to know more about the casino license.

I have found some similarities between two casinos license operator during the process. They are BetChain.com and Winz.io. I will ask both casinos representative to give some clarification here regarding this matter.

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Copyright © 2020 www.betchain.com is owned and operated by Dama N.V., a company registered and established under the laws of Curaçao, with registration number 152125 and registered address at Julianaplein 36, Willemstad, Curaçao, and its wholly-owned subsidiary, Strukin Limited, registered address Pavlov Nirvana & Aipeias, 4, ALPHA TOWER, Floor 1, Flat 11, 3021, Limassol, Cyprus, and registration number HE 407624. Dama N.V. is licensed and regulated by Antillephone N.V. (license no. 8048/JAZ2020-013).

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Copyright © 2021 Winz.io is owned and operated by Dama N.V., a company registered and established under the laws of Curaçao, with registration number 152125 and registered address at Julianaplein 36, Willemstad, Curaçao, and its wholly-owned subsidiary, Friolion Limited, registered in Cyprus with registration number HE 419102 and registered address Leandrou, 12A 3086, Limassol, Cyprus. Dama N.V. is licensed and regulated by Antillephone N.V. (license no. 8048/JAZ2020-013).

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Quote from: Kakmakr on February 07, 2022, 01:25:36 AM

You can actually just make a list of casinos that are not asking for KYC information, because it will be way shorter than your current list. The trend with casinos seem to be to start without the strict KYC requirements and as soon as they hooked enough gamblers, they change that policy to ask for KYC information.

The KYC standard might be good for casinos, but it absolutely destroys Pseudo anonymity in Crypto currencies. Imagine if you were one of the Bitcoin whales and you are sitting on a couple of 1000 of coins and you have to give your personal information to a casino operator that might go scam later on. Roll Eyes

.... or your database get hacked or one of the employees get access to the information and they give it to a crime syndicate. Roll Eyes

Stake.com started with a very relaxed KYC requirement, basically just asking for a email address... now they are aggressively encouraging people to validate higher levels of KYC requirements.

Actually I think the number of casinos that do not require a KYC are much more than the casinos that requires a KYC, you even said that in your reply. Casinos started without a KYC and then they will now require KYC later on but i think this practice is unethical but casino players will quit on playing with them if they are not comfortable with the KYC requirement.

Casinos are only risking the foundation that they already built only for this KYC. I tried playing on stake casino and no they do not force me to do a KYC. KYC on their site is just optional but doing a KYC can unlock some benefits and they can give you extra rewards if your participating on their promotions.

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You can actually just make a list of casinos that are not asking for KYC information, because it will be way shorter than your current list. The trend with casinos seem to be to start without the strict KYC requirements and as soon as they hooked enough gamblers, they change that policy to ask for KYC information.

The KYC standard might be good for casinos, but it absolutely destroys Pseudo anonymity in Crypto currencies. Imagine if you were one of the Bitcoin whales and you are sitting on a couple of 1000 of coins and you have to give your personal information to a casino operator that might go scam later on. Roll Eyes

.... or your database get hacked or one of the employees get access to the information and they give it to a crime syndicate. Roll Eyes

Stake.com started with a very relaxed KYC requirement, basically just asking for a email address... now they are aggressively encouraging people to validate higher levels of KYC requirements.

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Quote from: Cling18 on February 06, 2022, 10:46:23 AM

This table will surely be a big help especially for those who are wondering about the KYC requirements in each casino site. It might be hard for others to provide these requirements especially those who don't have the documents being asked but it is required and necessary for some reason. I think it would be better to prepare some documents ahead of time because we won't know the possible things that could happen in our gambling journey in the future.

Some of the documents these casinos are asking are very similar to Crypto exchange like Driver's license, National Id and of course Passport, I'm sure every player has 1 or two of these documents, this is industry practice whether it's fiat or Cryptocurrency if you are going to dive you will get your feet wet so there's nothing we can do on casinos that asked for our ID, just pick the right casino to play and your vital pieces of information are safe.

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Quote from: mak013 on January 14, 2022, 02:11:33 AM

As we see, all crypto casinos have a KYC procedure, except casinos without license(the same time it is enough dangerous to gamble in such casino as for me). The difference is just what you have to do. As i see - all casino get your personal data, so i don`t know for what purposes we use cryptocurrencies in such casinos. It doesn`t anonymize us.

PS. Anyway the OP made a nice job, thx.

This table will surely be a big help especially for those who are wondering about the KYC requirements in each casino site. It might be hard for others to provide these requirements especially those who don't have the documents being asked but it is required and necessary for some reason. I think it would be better to prepare some documents ahead of time because we won't know the possible things that could happen in our gambling journey in the future.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on February 04, 2022, 07:00:12 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on January 28, 2022, 07:15:50 AM

So maybe one purpose of this topic is to highlight services that still don't ask for KYC?

This topic is created to make the KYC requirements and license details available at a single place, so that the bettors can easily get the information here.

Yes I get it Wink

But I was wondering also, since we're all crypto users and crypto gamblers, can we also not try and push for more highlight for non-KYC sites/casinos? I mean I understand that licensing and regulations makes it impossible for KYC to be ignored, but we should still give some extra exposure for those crypto casinos that still do their best to provide a pure non-KYC experience that was originally the offering from crypto casinos.

Just my suggestion, great list.

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