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Quote from: FatFork on February 10, 2022, 06:41:02 PM

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According to their representative, KYC requirements are the same as for Bitcasino, "if needed".

Quote from: _livecasino.io_ on February 02, 2022, 11:14:46 AM

KYC: KYC is not required, unless some activities require extra checks, then KYC will be requested

There are also such legal constructions built around the verification procedures, such as "you will have to pass KYC. if necessary, or KYC is required only in exceptional cases, etc." All this is definitely slyness and deceit. And you must immediately be prepared that KYC will have to be performed. But, I think the lawyers wrote this way so that a person who does not want to introduce himself, but wants to remain anonymous, would have as little suspicion as possible that in the event of a withdrawal of the winnings, he would receive money and remain anonymous.
But, I think experienced players know all these tricks on the part of lawyers and are ready to say goodbye to anonymity.

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Mahdirakib, you might want to include livecasino.io to the list. Livecasino.io is a sister brand of Bitcasino (which is already on your list) that focuses more on Live Casino games. Both platforms are managed by the same company, Moon Technologies B.V., and share the same Curaçao eGaming license:

Quote from: GamblingBro on February 02, 2022, 05:04:33 AM

It is obvious that Bitcasino.io and Livecasino.io are managed by the same company:

https://verification.curacao-egaming.com/validateview.aspx?domain=livecasino.io

According to their representative, KYC requirements are the same as for Bitcasino, "if needed".

Quote from: _livecasino.io_ on February 02, 2022, 11:14:46 AM

KYC: KYC is not required, unless some activities require extra checks, then KYC will be requested

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Quote from: poldanmig on February 10, 2022, 06:47:29 AM

If indeed the casino can guarantee to maintain the security of our personal identity

But the majority of us already lost that trust and confidence to any website and not just with the casinos that are asking kyc per se.

Quote from: poldanmig on February 10, 2022, 06:47:29 AM

I think there is nothing wrong with doing kyc from the beginning to register to meet their requirements

Nothing wrong if you think that the casino is trustworthy and you're really fine doing that. But many of us won't agree with the same thing as what you've said.

Quote from: poldanmig on February 10, 2022, 06:47:29 AM

my friend once had experience betting on local online gambling sites and they did not make kyc as the initial requirements to join the site, but when my friend got the jackpot with a large enough prize, suddenly the site said the player account could not make the first withdrawal on the grounds that it had not been kyc and canceled the prize.

Even in some casinos, when you hit a jackpot and you're about to withdraw. There's a big chance that they will ask you for it.

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Quote from: delfastTions on February 05, 2022, 04:07:15 AM

It is absolutely true that it is written above that passing KYC can cause problems, and if KYC is not required, then this can also cause problems. In short, it turns out that in any case there may be problems for the gamers. And there are only two problems:
1. There is no way to get the winnings if KYC has not passed Angry

2. If you winnings and you have passed KYC then it fell under the control of the tax service and apparently will have to be divided- part government Sad

. But this is in good countries where there are no gangs of extortionists. And in bad countries, with high crime, everything can be taken away. So whatever one may say this damn KYC is nothing but problems. And what bastard came up with it and now demands it everywhere?

The reason why this is so common place is that politicians fear their citizens, and they do for one simple reason, they do not serve them anymore, and as such most of their policies can be explained by understanding that fear.

Why they try to regulate cryptocurrencies so much? Because they do not want people to have the freedom to do whatever they want with their money as that will weaken the control they have over them, and they are scared of that, so casinos and exchanges are always on their radar and as such slowly but surely they have accomplished their goal of most licensed casinos asking for your documents for whatever reason.

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Quote from: poldanmig on February 10, 2022, 06:47:29 AM

If indeed the casino can guarantee to maintain the security of our personal identity, I think there is nothing wrong with doing kyc from the beginning to register to meet their requirements, my friend once had experience betting on local online gambling sites and they did not make kyc as the initial requirements to join the site, but when my friend got the jackpot with a large enough prize, suddenly the site said the player account could not make the first withdrawal on the grounds that it had not been kyc and canceled the prize.

You should not talk too naively about who is the owner of your personal data that you yourself sent to them when you performed the KYC procedure, which guarantees the preservation of this data and the non-disclosure of data to other persons and blocking public access. Casinos can be forced to release confidential customer information by government agencies, or it can simply be hacked and made public. Experience shows that this happens quite often. A recent example is the hacking and publication of the leger hardware wallet customer base in the summer of 2000. Then about a million buyers ceased to be anonymous. And it was very painful for them. So it is with the casino, information may not leak, or it may leak despite any security guarantees.
In this, I see great harm to the psychological state of any client from these KYC, when, in fact, no casino needs any knowledge of the client at all. It is generally redundant.

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Quote from: FatFork on February 10, 2022, 06:00:55 AM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on February 10, 2022, 02:42:30 AM

I have found some similarities between two casinos license operator during the process. They are BetChain.com and Winz.io. I will ask both casinos representative to give some clarification here regarding this matter.

Yes, both casinos appear to be owned and operated by the same company, Dama N.V., and share the same gambling license. In addition, as far as I can tell, their Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policies are nearly identical. This isn't unusual in the world of crypto gambling, as there are numerous platforms that operate in the same way. Knowing this, however, is useful because if there is a problem with one platform, we can anticipate potential threats with others related platforms before they happen.

This is a great question and pops up frequently. Same as all companies utilizing the Dama NV license, we use technical infrastructure and a license as a 3rd party service provided to us. However, the owner and management of both casinos are not affiliated.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on February 07, 2022, 02:25:36 AM

You can actually just make a list of casinos that are not asking for KYC information, because it will be way shorter than your current list. The trend with casinos seem to be to start without the strict KYC requirements and as soon as they hooked enough gamblers, they change that policy to ask for KYC information.

The KYC standard might be good for casinos, but it absolutely destroys Pseudo anonymity in Crypto currencies. Imagine if you were one of the Bitcoin whales and you are sitting on a couple of 1000 of coins and you have to give your personal information to a casino operator that might go scam later on. Roll Eyes

.... or your database get hacked or one of the employees get access to the information and they give it to a crime syndicate. Roll Eyes

Stake.com started with a very relaxed KYC requirement, basically just asking for a email address... now they are aggressively encouraging people to validate higher levels of KYC requirements.

Actually I think the number of casinos that do not require a KYC are much more than the casinos that requires a KYC, you even said that in your reply. Casinos started without a KYC and then they will now require KYC later on but i think this practice is unethical but casino players will quit on playing with them if they are not comfortable with the KYC requirement.

Casinos are only risking the foundation that they already built only for this KYC. I tried playing on stake casino and no they do not force me to do a KYC. KYC on their site is just optional but doing a KYC can unlock some benefits and they can give you extra rewards if your participating on their promotions.

If indeed the casino can guarantee to maintain the security of our personal identity, I think there is nothing wrong with doing kyc from the beginning to register to meet their requirements, my friend once had experience betting on local online gambling sites and they did not make kyc as the initial requirements to join the site, but when my friend got the jackpot with a large enough prize, suddenly the site said the player account could not make the first withdrawal on the grounds that it had not been kyc and canceled the prize.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on February 10, 2022, 02:42:30 AM

I have found some similarities between two casinos license operator during the process. They are BetChain.com and Winz.io. I will ask both casinos representative to give some clarification here regarding this matter.

Yes, both casinos appear to be owned and operated by the same company, Dama N.V., and share the same gambling license. In addition, as far as I can tell, their Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policies are nearly identical. This isn't unusual in the world of crypto gambling, as there are numerous platforms that operate in the same way. Knowing this, however, is useful because if there is a problem with one platform, we can anticipate potential threats with others related platforms before they happen.

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Quote from: notblox1 on January 26, 2022, 04:34:02 PM

I would like to see more info for license number and link if possible.

Quote from: FatFork on February 04, 2022, 12:40:37 PM

If we know the company registration number, there is a direct url that can be used to get an Excerpt from the Curaçao Commercial Register.
It's just a matter of replacing the ID number with the correct registration number of the company you want to check.

Added the Curacao commercial register number with verifier link in “License(Register)” column. Also added the individual company name of each casino by adding a “License Operator” column in the table. @FatFork, Thank you for the idea. @notblox1, now you can verify the Curacao commercial register of each casino. Hopefully it will help every forum members to know more about the casino license.

I have found some similarities between two casinos license operator during the process. They are BetChain.com and Winz.io. I will ask both casinos representative to give some clarification here regarding this matter.

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Copyright © 2020 www.betchain.com is owned and operated by Dama N.V., a company registered and established under the laws of Curaçao, with registration number 152125 and registered address at Julianaplein 36, Willemstad, Curaçao, and its wholly-owned subsidiary, Strukin Limited, registered address Pavlov Nirvana & Aipeias, 4, ALPHA TOWER, Floor 1, Flat 11, 3021, Limassol, Cyprus, and registration number HE 407624. Dama N.V. is licensed and regulated by Antillephone N.V. (license no. 8048/JAZ2020-013).

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Copyright © 2021 Winz.io is owned and operated by Dama N.V., a company registered and established under the laws of Curaçao, with registration number 152125 and registered address at Julianaplein 36, Willemstad, Curaçao, and its wholly-owned subsidiary, Friolion Limited, registered in Cyprus with registration number HE 419102 and registered address Leandrou, 12A 3086, Limassol, Cyprus. Dama N.V. is licensed and regulated by Antillephone N.V. (license no. 8048/JAZ2020-013).

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Quote from: Kakmakr on February 07, 2022, 02:25:36 AM

You can actually just make a list of casinos that are not asking for KYC information, because it will be way shorter than your current list. The trend with casinos seem to be to start without the strict KYC requirements and as soon as they hooked enough gamblers, they change that policy to ask for KYC information.

The KYC standard might be good for casinos, but it absolutely destroys Pseudo anonymity in Crypto currencies. Imagine if you were one of the Bitcoin whales and you are sitting on a couple of 1000 of coins and you have to give your personal information to a casino operator that might go scam later on. Roll Eyes

.... or your database get hacked or one of the employees get access to the information and they give it to a crime syndicate. Roll Eyes

Stake.com started with a very relaxed KYC requirement, basically just asking for a email address... now they are aggressively encouraging people to validate higher levels of KYC requirements.

Actually I think the number of casinos that do not require a KYC are much more than the casinos that requires a KYC, you even said that in your reply. Casinos started without a KYC and then they will now require KYC later on but i think this practice is unethical but casino players will quit on playing with them if they are not comfortable with the KYC requirement.

Casinos are only risking the foundation that they already built only for this KYC. I tried playing on stake casino and no they do not force me to do a KYC. KYC on their site is just optional but doing a KYC can unlock some benefits and they can give you extra rewards if your participating on their promotions.

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You can actually just make a list of casinos that are not asking for KYC information, because it will be way shorter than your current list. The trend with casinos seem to be to start without the strict KYC requirements and as soon as they hooked enough gamblers, they change that policy to ask for KYC information.

The KYC standard might be good for casinos, but it absolutely destroys Pseudo anonymity in Crypto currencies. Imagine if you were one of the Bitcoin whales and you are sitting on a couple of 1000 of coins and you have to give your personal information to a casino operator that might go scam later on. Roll Eyes

.... or your database get hacked or one of the employees get access to the information and they give it to a crime syndicate. Roll Eyes

Stake.com started with a very relaxed KYC requirement, basically just asking for a email address... now they are aggressively encouraging people to validate higher levels of KYC requirements.

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Quote from: Cling18 on February 06, 2022, 11:46:23 AM

This table will surely be a big help especially for those who are wondering about the KYC requirements in each casino site. It might be hard for others to provide these requirements especially those who don't have the documents being asked but it is required and necessary for some reason. I think it would be better to prepare some documents ahead of time because we won't know the possible things that could happen in our gambling journey in the future.

Some of the documents these casinos are asking are very similar to Crypto exchange like Driver's license, National Id and of course Passport, I'm sure every player has 1 or two of these documents, this is industry practice whether it's fiat or Cryptocurrency if you are going to dive you will get your feet wet so there's nothing we can do on casinos that asked for our ID, just pick the right casino to play and your vital pieces of information are safe.

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Quote from: mak013 on January 14, 2022, 03:11:33 AM

As we see, all crypto casinos have a KYC procedure, except casinos without license(the same time it is enough dangerous to gamble in such casino as for me). The difference is just what you have to do. As i see - all casino get your personal data, so i don`t know for what purposes we use cryptocurrencies in such casinos. It doesn`t anonymize us.

PS. Anyway the OP made a nice job, thx.

This table will surely be a big help especially for those who are wondering about the KYC requirements in each casino site. It might be hard for others to provide these requirements especially those who don't have the documents being asked but it is required and necessary for some reason. I think it would be better to prepare some documents ahead of time because we won't know the possible things that could happen in our gambling journey in the future.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on February 04, 2022, 08:00:12 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on January 28, 2022, 08:15:50 AM

So maybe one purpose of this topic is to highlight services that still don't ask for KYC?

This topic is created to make the KYC requirements and license details available at a single place, so that the bettors can easily get the information here.

Yes I get it Wink

But I was wondering also, since we're all crypto users and crypto gamblers, can we also not try and push for more highlight for non-KYC sites/casinos? I mean I understand that licensing and regulations makes it impossible for KYC to be ignored, but we should still give some extra exposure for those crypto casinos that still do their best to provide a pure non-KYC experience that was originally the offering from crypto casinos.

Just my suggestion, great list.

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Quote from: FrankBank on February 05, 2022, 11:17:39 PM

Many Casinos are simply obliged to state in their KYC that they require it if they are holding a license. Doesn't mean a casino would actually do it. Unless they suspect something but something far more serious like money laundering, otherwise I agree it shouldn't be applied to the crypto users. Defeats the purpose and the what it's suppose to stand for.

Even if the casino doesn't have or has not yet secured a license, once a user is suspected of abuse they will likely ask for KYC, not only abuse or withdrawing a huge amount but account recovery or a user forgetting his pin code or 2FA recovery, KYC is good to protect the casino and the player as well but they should not ask KYC as a mandatory requirement to play in their casino if they want more players in the Cryptocurrency community.

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Many Casinos are simply obliged to state in their KYC that they require it if they are holding a license. Doesn't mean a casino would actually do it. Unless they suspect something but something far more serious like money laundering, otherwise I agree it shouldn't be applied to the crypto users. Defeats the purpose and the what it's suppose to stand for.

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Quote from: MinerHQ on February 05, 2022, 09:31:51 PM

Quote from: Raflesia on February 04, 2022, 01:45:21 PM

Quote from: mindrust on February 04, 2022, 01:31:10 PM

No License, No KYC casinos are my favorites.

License means regulations, regulations means problems. Why would a casino need a license? The only thing a casino needs is a good reputation and it only takes some time to build it. freebitco.in is a very good example.

If I can't access to a casino like this, of course my second favorites are Licensed/No KYC casinos.

For the license I agree with what you said but for KYC actually it's still fifty fifty in my opinion.
maybe for people who only gamble with small bets and gamble just for fun I feel that KYC is not really needed but on the other hand we also can't forget some people who gamble in big enough bets and I still feel KYC could be a pretty good thing for them.
apart from verifying their identity, this can also be used to minimize the fact that their account doesn't transfer to someone else so things like KYC will still be important to them even though most gamblers don't like it.

If one playing with crypto then there shouldn't be any kyc. I don't care about the license as long as we can trust the casino.

Providing our personal information to these casinos is not safe and soon or later these details will be sold on dark websites. So I never bother to check a casino if they ask of kyc.

Then how you would be thinking into those traditional services on which we are mainly passing up our documentation or overall information? This had been a common
thing that we've been dealing everyday and you cant be sure that there wouldnt be any leak outs with those information.For these crypto gambling sites then we
know that having a license could really give out some boost in terms of trust into the community on where gamblers would be thinking that having a license
is showing off that they are dealing with a legit site which i cant blame them but we know that license isnt everything.

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Quote from: Raflesia on February 04, 2022, 01:45:21 PM

Quote from: mindrust on February 04, 2022, 01:31:10 PM

No License, No KYC casinos are my favorites.

License means regulations, regulations means problems. Why would a casino need a license? The only thing a casino needs is a good reputation and it only takes some time to build it. freebitco.in is a very good example.

If I can't access to a casino like this, of course my second favorites are Licensed/No KYC casinos.

For the license I agree with what you said but for KYC actually it's still fifty fifty in my opinion.
maybe for people who only gamble with small bets and gamble just for fun I feel that KYC is not really needed but on the other hand we also can't forget some people who gamble in big enough bets and I still feel KYC could be a pretty good thing for them.
apart from verifying their identity, this can also be used to minimize the fact that their account doesn't transfer to someone else so things like KYC will still be important to them even though most gamblers don't like it.

If one playing with crypto then there shouldn't be any kyc. I don't care about the license as long as we can trust the casino.

Providing our personal information to these casinos is not safe and soon or later these details will be sold on dark websites. So I never bother to check a casino if they ask of kyc.

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Agree with this. Those casinos that do not require KYC will be a place for us to play gambling. If I see the casino ask for KYC, I will leave it and not try to verify my account because I only want to have fun and not chase the money from the games.

However, there will be a gambler who will verify themselves in the casino and mostly, those people want to play in a big amount and if their account is verified, they can deposit in large money to gamble.

it depends on the options implemented and indeed KYC is not as bad as one might think especially for those who gamble in bigger money. actually they need something like this KYC to verify them and it will be quite useful for them if something untoward happens with their account.
but indeed there are still a lot of people who don't want kyc and that is quite normal as we just want to have fun and don't really want this kind of thing for gambling.
this is depending on what we choose regardless of KYC or not that is also a choice

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Quote from: mindrust on February 04, 2022, 01:31:10 PM

If I can't access to a casino like this, of course my second favorites are Licensed/No KYC casinos.

I think such casinos doesn't exists. Licensed means that customer will be forced to pass through KYC.

I don't think that's true. There are a number of licensed casinos that do not require KYC for low-budget players. In fact, most casinos will require KYC only if you're a high-roller or withdrawing large sums of money.

Read the OP's post if you haven't already.

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