Topic: Inoue vs Donaire II discussion - page 32. (Read 8183 times)

Quote from: 24Kt on April 12, 2022, 06:37:51 PM

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Those people who treat age as a factor for Nonito Donaire are not doing their respective homework and just relying everything on the "name impact" and "age". They are not aware that Donaire even much older compared to Inoue, still has that speed, quickness, and Knock Out power.

The reason is, that Donaire is always active doing his routine operation and always has a match, therefore, training is almost part of his entire life and never stopped. That results in his body not adopting the aging effect.

If Donaire will lose for the 2nd time, it's 100% not because of his age but for other reasons.

What other reasons? Can you elaborate on what would be the other reasons?

Age would really make some toll and its a major factor that could effect overall performance of a fight/athlete which is something inevitable.Its not really a shame if he would really be accepting that reality but as long his

passion and interest on fighting on his career doesnt goes off then lets just respect and its true that he do still have that good punching power,stamina and other aspects.
Its bit exciting that we are closer day by day for this upcoming rematch fight.

I never thought that I need to elaborate on the other reason why Donaire will lose not because of his age. It's simply obvious, to be honest.

What I'm trying to picture is that, if Donaire will lose the match, it's probably not because of his age but simply, Naoya Inoue dominates the fight. I already mentioned here before that we can expect an improved Inoue in this rematch because surely, he will not allow again to suffer the injuries he sustain during their first fight where it was the first time he was sent to the hospital right after the match.

That experience I think will make Inoue become more aggressive and will do his best to dominate the fight. He knows how dangerous Donaire is and even he is not considering age as a hindrance for Donaire.

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Quote from: Mahanton on April 12, 2022, 04:56:07 PM

Quote from: alpamar99 on April 12, 2022, 02:59:04 PM

Quote from: alpamar99 on April 11, 2022, 03:59:43 AM

if he doesn't want to be battered like 2 years ago then caution is a natural thing Cheesy

But the good thing is that both boxers have felt each other's punches and of course they definitely know what they have to do in the next match.
but it is clear that in this case donaire is not benefited by his age even though his hitting is still very hard but in terms of performance of course age is also an important factor

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Both of them already got the experience and knowledge they need because they already encountered last 2019, we might expect an easy slow first round and then an exchanging punches toe-to-toe afterwards and see who will go down first.

okay I know about this but indeed the opponent now is not a random opponent and it is not wrong to anticipate this from the start for Donaire.
Reflecting on the previous battle they played he was also quite depressed even though the buying and selling of attacks was still there.
I also really appreciate that with Donaire's current age he is even the oldest boxer in his class that is recorded in boxing history today but you also have to look at the opponents he is currently fighting.
Inoue can be said to be a fighting monster now because of the hit resistance he currently.

There are really boxers which are hard hitter or could really make a tough fighter down and we've seen the history of Inoue on taking down those much bigger opponent than him.No one really expect for this Kiddo
to make some awesome TKO's which it is really just right that he was called a Monster. He's not really that aggressive looking but his punches is no joke and speaking with Donaire he did really survive with those
strong punches but 1 punch did really make him dropped when it was a liver blow even the toughest could not really sustain on the same condition. Donaire would be aware for that one this time.

With his prior experience of Inoue inside the ring, for sure, Donaire has his game plan by now. So it is tempting to bet on Donaire especially if the odds is at 3.75. This may be his last fight before retirement and he is up for the challenge to win before hanging up his gloves. Inoue is the favorite but we can't ignore the last fight of Donaire.

You could really see that Donaire does might have some chance considering that he has really the experience or taste on how to fight Inoue which do really might gave him some idea on how he would handle up himself
if ever they would really make out some rematch but look at on where we now on which we did really have a rematch and its true that looking on the odds its really that interesting to bet on.
I do still have some consideration on putting up some bets into him and i dont believe that he would hang up his gloves if ever he would win this match.

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Quote from: Mahanton on April 12, 2022, 04:56:07 PM

Quote from: alpamar99 on April 12, 2022, 02:59:04 PM

Quote from: alpamar99 on April 11, 2022, 03:59:43 AM

if he doesn't want to be battered like 2 years ago then caution is a natural thing Cheesy

But the good thing is that both boxers have felt each other's punches and of course they definitely know what they have to do in the next match.
but it is clear that in this case donaire is not benefited by his age even though his hitting is still very hard but in terms of performance of course age is also an important factor

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Both of them already got the experience and knowledge they need because they already encountered last 2019, we might expect an easy slow first round and then an exchanging punches toe-to-toe afterwards and see who will go down first.

okay I know about this but indeed the opponent now is not a random opponent and it is not wrong to anticipate this from the start for Donaire.
Reflecting on the previous battle they played he was also quite depressed even though the buying and selling of attacks was still there.
I also really appreciate that with Donaire's current age he is even the oldest boxer in his class that is recorded in boxing history today but you also have to look at the opponents he is currently fighting.
Inoue can be said to be a fighting monster now because of the hit resistance he currently.

There are really boxers which are hard hitter or could really make a tough fighter down and we've seen the history of Inoue on taking down those much bigger opponent than him.No one really expect for this Kiddo
to make some awesome TKO's which it is really just right that he was called a Monster. He's not really that aggressive looking but his punches is no joke and speaking with Donaire he did really survive with those
strong punches but 1 punch did really make him dropped when it was a liver blow even the toughest could not really sustain on the same condition. Donaire would be aware for that one this time.

With his prior experience of Inoue inside the ring, for sure, Donaire has his game plan by now. So it is tempting to bet on Donaire especially if the odds is at 3.75. This may be his last fight before retirement and he is up for the challenge to win before hanging up his gloves. Inoue is the favorite but we can't ignore the last fight of Donaire. Since it will be less than couple of months before the fight, what we can do maybe is to follow their training habits, if they will disclose it. But if not, this fight will be an interesting fight to look forward to in my opinion.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on April 12, 2022, 02:59:04 PM

Quote from: alpamar99 on April 11, 2022, 03:59:43 AM

if he doesn't want to be battered like 2 years ago then caution is a natural thing Cheesy

But the good thing is that both boxers have felt each other's punches and of course they definitely know what they have to do in the next match.
but it is clear that in this case donaire is not benefited by his age even though his hitting is still very hard but in terms of performance of course age is also an important factor

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Both of them already got the experience and knowledge they need because they already encountered last 2019, we might expect an easy slow first round and then an exchanging punches toe-to-toe afterwards and see who will go down first.

okay I know about this but indeed the opponent now is not a random opponent and it is not wrong to anticipate this from the start for Donaire.
Reflecting on the previous battle they played he was also quite depressed even though the buying and selling of attacks was still there.
I also really appreciate that with Donaire's current age he is even the oldest boxer in his class that is recorded in boxing history today but you also have to look at the opponents he is currently fighting.
Inoue can be said to be a fighting monster now because of the hit resistance he currently.

There are really boxers which are hard hitter or could really make a tough fighter down and we've seen the history of Inoue on taking down those much bigger opponent than him.No one really expect for this Kiddo
to make some awesome TKO's which it is really just right that he was called a Monster. He's not really that aggressive looking but his punches is no joke and speaking with Donaire he did really survive with those
strong punches but 1 punch did really make him dropped when it was a liver blow even the toughest could not really sustain on the same condition. Donaire would be aware for that one this time.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on April 11, 2022, 03:59:43 AM

if he doesn't want to be battered like 2 years ago then caution is a natural thing Cheesy

But the good thing is that both boxers have felt each other's punches and of course they definitely know what they have to do in the next match.
but it is clear that in this case donaire is not benefited by his age even though his hitting is still very hard but in terms of performance of course age is also an important factor

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Both of them already got the experience and knowledge they need because they already encountered last 2019, we might expect an easy slow first round and then an exchanging punches toe-to-toe afterwards and see who will go down first.

okay I know about this but indeed the opponent now is not a random opponent and it is not wrong to anticipate this from the start for Donaire.
Reflecting on the previous battle they played he was also quite depressed even though the buying and selling of attacks was still there.
I also really appreciate that with Donaire's current age he is even the oldest boxer in his class that is recorded in boxing history today but you also have to look at the opponents he is currently fighting.
Inoue can be said to be a fighting monster now because of the hit resistance he currently.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on April 12, 2022, 08:15:21 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on April 12, 2022, 08:15:21 AM

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Those people who treat age as a factor for Nonito Donaire are not doing their respective homework and just relying everything on the "name impact" and "age". They are not aware that Donaire even much older compared to Inoue, still has that speed, quickness, and Knock Out power.

The reason is, that Donaire is always active doing his routine operation and always has a match, therefore, training is almost part of his entire life and never stopped. That results in his body not adopting the aging effect.

If Donaire will lose for the 2nd time, it's 100% not because of his age but for other reasons.

What other reasons? Can you elaborate on what would be the other reasons?

Age would really make some toll and its a major factor that could effect overall performance of a fight/athlete which is something inevitable.Its not really a shame if he would really be accepting that reality but as long his

passion and interest on fighting on his career doesnt goes off then lets just respect and its true that he do still have that good punching power,stamina and other aspects.
Its bit exciting that we are closer day by day for this upcoming rematch fight.

Donaire did said that age is just a number after beating then WBC champion Oubaali. But it is a fact that age is a factor. No matter how much you train yourself, you cannot stop the effects of aging when it comes to reflexes, speed, stamina and strength. They slowly start to diminish at 30s. One can simply watch his previous fights since winning his first world title against Vic Darchinyan at flyweight and then later terrorizing divisions up to featherweight. The thing that keeps Donaire a champion is his power, something the bantamweights cannot take.

We seldom see late 30s becoming world champions. And most of them are technical boxers like Floyd Mayweather and BHop. Brawlers, they rely most on strength like Miguel Cotto and Iron Mike will have difficulty when it comes to career longevity.

I somewhat agree with you, specially fighters that has a very quick hand speed, has somewhat will see a downturn when they hit age like 36-40 plus, classic example Roy Jones or Manny Pacquiao. Donaire doesn't have a fast hands, but he rely on his reflexes to counter and maybe as you aged, this might affect you as well.

He has a good reason to stay at bantamweight and continue to win because of his power, however, he can't bring it to the next division. So Donaire knows to protect himself and become the fighter that he is even at his age.

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Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Those people who treat age as a factor for Nonito Donaire are not doing their respective homework and just relying everything on the "name impact" and "age". They are not aware that Donaire even much older compared to Inoue, still has that speed, quickness, and Knock Out power.

The reason is, that Donaire is always active doing his routine operation and always has a match, therefore, training is almost part of his entire life and never stopped. That results in his body not adopting the aging effect.

If Donaire will lose for the 2nd time, it's 100% not because of his age but for other reasons.

What other reasons? Can you elaborate on what would be the other reasons?

Age would really make some toll and its a major factor that could effect overall performance of a fight/athlete which is something inevitable.Its not really a shame if he would really be accepting that reality but as long his

passion and interest on fighting on his career doesnt goes off then lets just respect and its true that he do still have that good punching power,stamina and other aspects.
Its bit exciting that we are closer day by day for this upcoming rematch fight.

Donaire did said that age is just a number after beating then WBC champion Oubaali. But it is a fact that age is a factor. No matter how much you train yourself, you cannot stop the effects of aging when it comes to reflexes, speed, stamina and strength. They slowly start to diminish at 30s. One can simply watch his previous fights since winning his first world title against Vic Darchinyan at flyweight and then later terrorizing divisions up to featherweight. The thing that keeps Donaire a champion is his power, something the bantamweights cannot take.

We seldom see late 30s becoming world champions. And most of them are technical boxers like Floyd Mayweather and BHop. Brawlers, they rely most on strength like Miguel Cotto and Iron Mike will have difficulty when it comes to career longevity.

I would agree on most of what you are telling us but I would probably have to disagree on the number 30. I doubt you can say 30 years is too old and at that point, everything goes downhill. I would say more closer to age of 40.

30 is still very young. While not as young as 20, I have yet to see other examples of 30 year olds having major disadvantages over 20 year olds in other areas, for example sport.

Lets look at football, for example. There are a lot of 30 year olds there. Many of them can go toe to toe with a 20 year old and a lot of them can beat 20 year olds with experience.

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Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Those people who treat age as a factor for Nonito Donaire are not doing their respective homework and just relying everything on the "name impact" and "age". They are not aware that Donaire even much older compared to Inoue, still has that speed, quickness, and Knock Out power.

The reason is, that Donaire is always active doing his routine operation and always has a match, therefore, training is almost part of his entire life and never stopped. That results in his body not adopting the aging effect.

If Donaire will lose for the 2nd time, it's 100% not because of his age but for other reasons.

What other reasons? Can you elaborate on what would be the other reasons?

Age would really make some toll and its a major factor that could effect overall performance of a fight/athlete which is something inevitable.Its not really a shame if he would really be accepting that reality but as long his

passion and interest on fighting on his career doesnt goes off then lets just respect and its true that he do still have that good punching power,stamina and other aspects.
Its bit exciting that we are closer day by day for this upcoming rematch fight.

Donaire did said that age is just a number after beating then WBC champion Oubaali. But it is a fact that age is a factor. No matter how much you train yourself, you cannot stop the effects of aging when it comes to reflexes, speed, stamina and strength. They slowly start to diminish at 30s. One can simply watch his previous fights since winning his first world title against Vic Darchinyan at flyweight and then later terrorizing divisions up to featherweight. The thing that keeps Donaire a champion is his power, something the bantamweights cannot take.

We seldom see late 30s becoming world champions. And most of them are technical boxers like Floyd Mayweather and BHop. Brawlers, they rely most on strength like Miguel Cotto and Iron Mike will have difficulty when it comes to career longevity.

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Quote from: livingfree on April 10, 2022, 05:07:04 PM

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Those people who treat age as a factor for Nonito Donaire are not doing their respective homework and just relying everything on the "name impact" and "age". They are not aware that Donaire even much older compared to Inoue, still has that speed, quickness, and Knock Out power.

The reason is, that Donaire is always active doing his routine operation and always has a match, therefore, training is almost part of his entire life and never stopped. That results in his body not adopting the aging effect.

If Donaire will lose for the 2nd time, it's 100% not because of his age but for other reasons.

What other reasons? Can you elaborate on what would be the other reasons?

Age would really make some toll and its a major factor that could effect overall performance of a fight/athlete which is something inevitable.Its not really a shame if he would really be accepting that reality but as long his

passion and interest on fighting on his career doesnt goes off then lets just respect and its true that he do still have that good punching power,stamina and other aspects.
Its bit exciting that we are closer day by day for this upcoming rematch fight.

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But we have to wait for that long and let's all just finish their matches before going that far. We don't know if the match or next fight will be announced by that quarter you've mentioned but yeah, everything is possible.

We need to wait first for the results of:

John Riel Casimero vs. Paul Butler
Naoya Inoue vs. Nonito Donaire

Once we the see results of this match, the winners will likely face each other in the last quarter of the year.

But in the case of a Donaire win against Inoue, a trilogy should be expected to happen.

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