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April 04, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
@goldkingcoiner. It appears you underestimate the commitment of some of the Southeast Asian fighters. If we are talking about commitment, I reckon Pacman has showed that he is one of the most commited boxers in the world. I would reckon that he is the most commited. His record is not perfect, however, he has accomplished more than anyone in the sport of boxing.

Donaire's social media presence is only marketing. I am quite certain his wife has hired someone to run the account and be in charge of promoting Nonito Donaire in Instagram, Facebook and Twitter.

Lol, but this so true, remember that Japan is also part of the Asian countries so both fighters from the Philippines and Japan are the same. Maybe what separates more from the PH is that they want to get out of poverty that's why the commitment of fighters like Manny and the rest of the new bred. Yes, Donaire grew up in the States, but he has also accomplished a lot. Or maybe Rachel is also handling the promotion of Nonito is the social media?
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April 04, 2022, 07:56:06 PM
@goldkingcoiner. It appears you underestimate the commitment of some of the Southeast Asian fighters. If we are talking about commitment, I reckon Pacman has showed that he is one of the most commited boxers in the world. I would reckon that he is the most commited. His record is not perfect, however, he has accomplished more than anyone in the sport of boxing.

Donaire's social media presence is only marketing. I am quite certain his wife has hired someone to run the account and be in charge of promoting Nonito Donaire in Instagram, Facebook and Twitter.

It seems to me that he ain't a fan of any Philippine boxer like Manny Pacquiao.

SEA boxers aren't someone that can be belittled or be underestimated easily because if he have watched Donaire and Pacman's journey then dedication and commitment can be an understatement when it comes to them because back to the time where their names aren't known, they have already faced many tough boxers locally and that really molded them.

I remember back then that before we knew Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao, he was first known by the name of Kid Kulafu.

Maybe he's just basing all to their past match result where he really give a good shot to Donaire and take home the victory on this fight, but we can really say that every game is different and we know Donaire is great fighter he will not be on hall of fame for nothing so for thinking about he will lose automatically to Inoue that's really a huge insult to his fans. Since provably what they see right now is a great revenge and might he will take Inoue by this time.
I could say that Donaire does have some chance on beating up Inoue but of course he should really be careful on some body shots just like on what he had missed on that first match against him which means that if he

do able to handle it well in terms of defense and wont able to make himself hit with those solid body blows and make out some direct counter hit then he might have a chance but of course executing such counter wont
really be simple as it sounds or looks because Inoue is for sure aware on what Donaire could possibly do or his specialty which means that he would be playing safe too.
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April 04, 2022, 07:36:46 PM
I really do not wish to belittle Donaire's training commitment, hope and dreams or journey. All I am saying, Inoue is a bigger force than Donaire. The reason for that is simple. Commitment. Especially the commitment that Japanese are taught from a young age. Their very culture is based on strength of will and commitment.

Smalls signs show you the bigger picture. Donaire is getting tired of not reaching the top. It seems to me that he is running out of gas. I understand Donaire has dreams of being at the top. But its not going to happen with his level of determination and commitment.

You didn't answer my simple response. I don't even understand what you are saying. It's far away from what you said at first.

Seems to me that you are just a visitor on this thread, posted a response then that's it. I will ignore now our discussion since it's getting nowhere as you now involved the culture of the Japanese from the beginning of their born date. Looks like you have already known Naoya Inoue or maybe personally since his child days. Cheesy

Sorry but that's what I think of our discussion. I'm looking forward to a healthy debate with valid arguments but it's not happened.
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April 04, 2022, 07:28:33 PM
@goldkingcoiner. It appears you underestimate the commitment of some of the Southeast Asian fighters. If we are talking about commitment, I reckon Pacman has showed that he is one of the most commited boxers in the world. I would reckon that he is the most commited. His record is not perfect, however, he has accomplished more than anyone in the sport of boxing.

Donaire's social media presence is only marketing. I am quite certain his wife has hired someone to run the account and be in charge of promoting Nonito Donaire in Instagram, Facebook and Twitter.

It seems to me that he ain't a fan of any Philippine boxer like Manny Pacquiao.

SEA boxers aren't someone that can be belittled or be underestimated easily because if he have watched Donaire and Pacman's journey then dedication and commitment can be an understatement when it comes to them because back to the time where their names aren't known, they have already faced many tough boxers locally and that really molded them.

I remember back then that before we knew Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao, he was first known by the name of Kid Kulafu.

Maybe he's just basing all to their past match result where he really give a good shot to Donaire and take home the victory on this fight, but we can really say that every game is different and we know Donaire is great fighter he will not be on hall of fame for nothing so for thinking about he will lose automatically to Inoue that's really a huge insult to his fans. Since provably what they see right now is a great revenge and might he will take Inoue by this time.
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April 04, 2022, 07:06:48 PM
I really do not wish to belittle Donaire's training commitment, hope and dreams or journey. All I am saying, Inoue is a bigger force than Donaire. The reason for that is simple. Commitment. Especially the commitment that Japanese are taught from a young age. Their very culture is based on strength of will and commitment.

Smalls signs show you the bigger picture. Donaire is getting tired of not reaching the top. It seems to me that he is running out of gas. I understand Donaire has dreams of being at the top. But its not going to happen with his level of determination and commitment.

If it boils down to the culture, you should not involve that in the topic since the discussion will never end. I think you are watching Hajime No Ippo and seems to me that it affects your view about Japanese Boxers in general as in that anime, the characters are purely dedicated to boxing since, after all, that's what the Anime is all about. Smiley

We can't judge someone's way of commitment. It's out of our line and we don't know anything about their inner self and the experience they went through. Clearly, you already judged the book by its cover. Let's focus on pre-game analysis purely about the match without involving that country's culture or any else. It doesn't have to do with this match.
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April 04, 2022, 11:45:14 AM
@goldkingcoiner. It appears you underestimate the commitment of some of the Southeast Asian fighters. If we are talking about commitment, I reckon Pacman has showed that he is one of the most commited boxers in the world. I would reckon that he is the most commited. His record is not perfect, however, he has accomplished more than anyone in the sport of boxing.

Donaire's social media presence is only marketing. I am quite certain his wife has hired someone to run the account and be in charge of promoting Nonito Donaire in Instagram, Facebook and Twitter.

It seems to me that he ain't a fan of any Philippine boxer like Manny Pacquiao.

SEA boxers aren't someone that can be belittled or be underestimated easily because if he have watched Donaire and Pacman's journey then dedication and commitment can be an understatement when it comes to them because back to the time where their names aren't known, they have already faced many tough boxers locally and that really molded them.

I remember back then that before we knew Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao, he was first known by the name of Kid Kulafu.
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April 04, 2022, 06:56:55 AM
Maybe, Donaire is not really a showy person and and focusing on training rather than showing it to the people. And, I think that Donaire would win the fight if he will avoid those body punch that will hit him. In comes to betting, I will bet all-in to Donaire.

It's not easy to avoid that body punch from Inoue because Donaire is known to be an aggressive fighter, he would also attack Inoue so he can pressure him. Let's just say that may the best fighter will win and I'm sure Donaire is capable but it's not easy to beat the monster.
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April 04, 2022, 06:32:06 AM
Naoya Inoue vs Nonito Donaire is going to be a legendary fight. I see Nonito probably losing the fight. Inoue is really determined and you can tell Inoue takes his training seriously. He does not treat boxxing as anything other than a competitive sport. Inoue has even received high praise from the boxing star, Mike Tyson. I can definitely see a bright future for him.

On the other hand, we see Nonito more treating boxxing as a social pageant.

Naoya is going to wipe the floor with poor Nonito.

Do you even follow Nonito Donaire's journey? You are a total BS and don't know anything. Don't include us in that seeing Donaire as a social pageant. Maybe you only know Naoya Inoue because he is a Japanese monster and most popular.

Can you elaborate on what you meant as Donaire treating boxing as a social pageant? I'm not siding with Donaire nor I'm a fan of him but if you can't support your statement, I don't know what to say.

It's like putting disgrace to what he did on Inoue and redeeming himself after that with a couple of wins against Oubaali snatching the WBC Bantamweight title and defending it against a young and prime Reymart Gaballo. He won both by TKO in just the 4th round at 39 years old.

Where's the social pageant and being poor Donaire there?

Its common to see here this kind of opinion about boxers since they are entitled to do that for the sake of discussion and maybe he is pertaining to the drama between Casimero and him. Just ignore them by clicking the ignore button to avoid seeing post like that. I’m not a fan of Donaire too but he is indeed a good boxer with a solid track record. Inoue is just famous for his 3 titled belt but that doesn't Donaire mean can’t beat him on a rematch since Donaire analyze already how Inoue moves face to face inside the ring. In my opinion Inoue has the upper hand on this match base on there previous matches.
This time, maybe Donaire can really do that as he already have that first-hand experience in facing Inoue that unfortunately resulted to a lost but we can't say that he's already out of his prime because after that fight he had a good 2 consecutive fights with a finishing KO. We know how determined Donaire is and I'm sure that he have really put so much time and efforts in preparing and training against Inoue. I can also tell that this time around he have the higher hand how to counter Inoue's punches and movement.

It's been a while since they had their first encounter, and I'm also excited to see these two clash in the ring again.

All I am saying is that Inoue's fíght with Donaire will have the expected ending. Donaire is a really good fighter, there is no doubt about that. He just has not gotten to Inoue's level of commitment. You know what commitment is? Look at Inoues instagram for example. A lot of followers and everything is about his boxxing. Donaire, on the other hand, barely any followers and his instagram is not fully devoted to boxxing. Basically, he is saying boxxing is not his entire life.

How can you win with such low commitment? Obviously such lack of commitment can be found in his training too.





Maybe, Donaire is not really a showy person and and focusing on training rather than showing it to the people. And, I think that Donaire would win the fight if he will avoid those body punch that will hit him. In comes to betting, I will bet all-in to Donaire.
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April 04, 2022, 06:22:26 AM
This time, maybe Donaire can really do that as he already have that first-hand experience in facing Inoue that unfortunately resulted to a lost but we can't say that he's already out of his prime because after that fight he had a good 2 consecutive fights with a finishing KO. We know how determined Donaire is and I'm sure that he have really put so much time and efforts in preparing and training against Inoue. I can also tell that this time around he have the higher hand how to counter Inoue's punches and movement.

It's been a while since they had their first encounter, and I'm also excited to see these two clash in the ring again.

Since both of them knows already the strength of each other, that's their basis for forming a strategy that they can apply to their rematch. Naoya Inoue is even currently in his prime and 10 years younger than Donaire but got a heavy problem in their first match although he won in the end. He was surprised that an old Donaire gives him a difficult fight that is not usual in Inoue's whole boxing experience.

Inoue will come strong at this fight but it doesn't mean Donaire won't just allow him to dictate the phase of the fight. 2 months to go, we will now witness this rematch, and excited to watch this as I follow the World Boxing Super Series last 2019.

Chances are that we are going to see an another version of Donaire and Inoue this time as they already got some knowledge after their first encounter, both of them have been surprised on their first match especially Inoue haven't expected that a much older boxer can still give that kind of punches that forced him to go all out. I can say that in terms of speed, they're much alike but the power between them differs.

I'm also excited to see what they got this rematch, surely it will be packed with explosives than the first time.
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April 04, 2022, 04:46:47 AM

Yes, I agree that despite Casimero's large mouth, I think he can fairly deliver. I was actually excited when the talks of a Casimero vs Inoue fight was floated. We all know that both boxers are literal fighters inside the ring. They fight blow by blow. In Donaire's case, he is more of a counter puncher. He does not release a barrage of punches. He is more of a one-two combination puncher.

Let us see if promoters would be choosing Casimero for the winner of this fight's next opponent, given that he will win against Butler. For now, let's focus on this exciting rematch. But I am rooting for the much younger Inoue.

Yup! he is best at delivering it with his actions, and fairly enough he will not talk about it if he can not do it, I am waiting for the Casimero versus Butler, because after that fight we will see Casimero versus who ever wins on the Donaire vs Inoue, but for me I think Donaire has a fighting chance, he can surely give Naoya Inoue a hard fight just like what happen in their 1st match, but I think it will be pretty much there might be a different result, regarding their rematch, but I will surely not underestimate Inoue, and Same goes with Donaire, Naoya better be careful about Nonito Donaire this time he got a glimpse of experience in taking Inoue's punches head on,

@goldkingcoiner. It appears you underestimate the commitment of some of the Southeast Asian fighters. If we are talking about commitment, I reckon Pacman has showed that he is one of the most commited boxers in the world. I would reckon that he is the most commited. His record is not perfect, however, he has accomplished more than anyone in the sport of boxing.

Donaire's social media presence is only marketing. I am quite certain his wife has hired someone to run the account and be in charge of promoting Nonito Donaire in Instagram, Facebook and Twitter.

Well, we can surely see both fighters determination, in this fight and who ever wins this fight will be the more determined and very hungry for greatness and hunger for victory, for sure many will be in favor with Noaya Inoue. But there are a few that may risk on betting for Nonito Donaire, because of what he has shown inside that ring; he surely was agonizing in pain because of inoue's body blows but his determination has shown more quality.
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April 04, 2022, 01:15:44 AM
@goldkingcoiner. It appears you underestimate the commitment of some of the Southeast Asian fighters. If we are talking about commitment, I reckon Pacman has showed that he is one of the most commited boxers in the world. I would reckon that he is the most commited. His record is not perfect, however, he has accomplished more than anyone in the sport of boxing.

Donaire's social media presence is only marketing. I am quite certain his wife has hired someone to run the account and be in charge of promoting Nonito Donaire in Instagram, Facebook and Twitter.
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April 03, 2022, 11:11:47 PM
All I am saying is that Inoue's fíght with Donaire will have the expected ending. Donaire is a really good fighter, there is no doubt about that. He just has not gotten to Inoue's level of commitment.

I'm not questioning your speculations about that expected ending. That's not my point in my response to you.

Inoue really has the advantage over the fight and even though I'm with Donaire, I admit the Japanese have more chance to win the fight.

You know what commitment is? Look at Inoues instagram for example. A lot of followers and everything is about his boxxing. Donaire, on the other hand, barely any followers and his instagram is not fully devoted to boxxing. Basically, he is saying boxxing is not his entire life.

It's that reason why you said Donaire treating boxing as a social pageant? I don't understand what's the entire connection of that to affect the fight results. This is my first time reading that being fully devoted should have their social media accounts just only be involved in boxing.

Donaire is 39 years and still fighting up to this date. From 16 to 18 years of age, he already won 3 amateur titles in the US. Then from there, he continues to work on his boxing credentials. And at 39, he won his 2 previous fights via 4th round KO.

Almost his entire life was dedicated to boxing and just because you saw his Instagram accounts are not limited to only related to boxing, you already concluded that he's not devoted to boxing?

I really do not wish to belittle Donaire's training commitment, hope and dreams or journey. All I am saying, Inoue is a bigger force than Donaire. The reason for that is simple. Commitment. Especially the commitment that Japanese are taught from a young age. Their very culture is based on strength of will and commitment.

Smalls signs show you the bigger picture. Donaire is getting tired of not reaching the top. It seems to me that he is running out of gas. I understand Donaire has dreams of being at the top. But its not going to happen with his level of determination and commitment.
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April 03, 2022, 09:43:33 PM
If I just say something about your discussions, Donaire has been a champion, beat a lot of prime boxers, loses some including to Inoue, but it just shows that he is dedicated to his craft because he has reach the pinnacle of it.

So as far as dedication, there is no question about it, he is still motivated ever since his breakout win against Darchinyan. As for his social media, every boxer has an account with boxing and non-boxing followers. So it doesn't mean he is not dedicated just because all of his followers is non boxing fans.
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April 03, 2022, 09:41:48 PM
Casimero has a loud mouth. He is involved in a lot of calling out against other fighters who are perceived to be better than him. And that includes Donaire and Inoue. Not only did he call them out, I think I even heard him speak that Inoue will get knocked out by him in the first three rounds if Inoue will trade blows against him toe to toe. But to be fair to Casimero, he is a fighter and if he is given the opportunity to meet Inoue or Donaire inside the ring, he truly deserves that.

Well, part of his habit was bad-mouthing most fighters that he doesn't like or sometimes just to get hype, but I guess when he is saying this he is thinking if he can have an upper hand in the situation, for instance, I surely think he can give a great match for Naoya Inoue I sure think that he know's pretty well Naoya Inoue's capabilities or Nonito Donaire's Capabilities aswell, before jumping into conclusion, but yes if given a great opportunity he could get that title shot, but for now, I think he is just hyping that fight so the camp of Inoue would notice him.

Yes, I agree that despite Casimero's large mouth, I think he can fairly deliver. I was actually excited when the talks of a Casimero vs Inoue fight was floated. We all know that both boxers are literal fighters inside the ring. They fight blow by blow. In Donaire's case, he is more of a counter puncher. He does not release a barrage of punches. He is more of a one-two combination puncher.

Let us see if promoters would be choosing Casimero for the winner of this fight's next opponent, given that he will win against Butler. For now, let's focus on this exciting rematch. But I am rooting for the much younger Inoue.
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April 03, 2022, 09:29:03 PM
All I am saying is that Inoue's fíght with Donaire will have the expected ending. Donaire is a really good fighter, there is no doubt about that. He just has not gotten to Inoue's level of commitment.

I'm not questioning your speculations about that expected ending. That's not my point in my response to you.

Inoue really has the advantage over the fight and even though I'm with Donaire, I admit the Japanese have more chance to win the fight.

You know what commitment is? Look at Inoues instagram for example. A lot of followers and everything is about his boxxing. Donaire, on the other hand, barely any followers and his instagram is not fully devoted to boxxing. Basically, he is saying boxxing is not his entire life.

It's that reason why you said Donaire treating boxing as a social pageant? I don't understand what's the entire connection of that to affect the fight results. This is my first time reading that being fully devoted should have their social media accounts just only be involved in boxing.

Donaire is 39 years and still fighting up to this date. From 16 to 18 years of age, he already won 3 amateur titles in the US. Then from there, he continues to work on his boxing credentials. And at 39, he won his 2 previous fights via 4th round KO.

Almost his entire life was dedicated to boxing and just because you saw his Instagram accounts are not limited to only related to boxing, you already concluded that he's not devoted to boxing?
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April 03, 2022, 08:51:15 PM
Naoya Inoue vs Nonito Donaire is going to be a legendary fight. I see Nonito probably losing the fight. Inoue is really determined and you can tell Inoue takes his training seriously. He does not treat boxxing as anything other than a competitive sport. Inoue has even received high praise from the boxing star, Mike Tyson. I can definitely see a bright future for him.

On the other hand, we see Nonito more treating boxxing as a social pageant.

Naoya is going to wipe the floor with poor Nonito.

Do you even follow Nonito Donaire's journey? You are a total BS and don't know anything. Don't include us in that seeing Donaire as a social pageant. Maybe you only know Naoya Inoue because he is a Japanese monster and most popular.

Can you elaborate on what you meant as Donaire treating boxing as a social pageant? I'm not siding with Donaire nor I'm a fan of him but if you can't support your statement, I don't know what to say.

It's like putting disgrace to what he did on Inoue and redeeming himself after that with a couple of wins against Oubaali snatching the WBC Bantamweight title and defending it against a young and prime Reymart Gaballo. He won both by TKO in just the 4th round at 39 years old.

Where's the social pageant and being poor Donaire there?

Its common to see here this kind of opinion about boxers since they are entitled to do that for the sake of discussion and maybe he is pertaining to the drama between Casimero and him. Just ignore them by clicking the ignore button to avoid seeing post like that. I’m not a fan of Donaire too but he is indeed a good boxer with a solid track record. Inoue is just famous for his 3 titled belt but that doesn't Donaire mean can’t beat him on a rematch since Donaire analyze already how Inoue moves face to face inside the ring. In my opinion Inoue has the upper hand on this match base on there previous matches.
This time, maybe Donaire can really do that as he already have that first-hand experience in facing Inoue that unfortunately resulted to a lost but we can't say that he's already out of his prime because after that fight he had a good 2 consecutive fights with a finishing KO. We know how determined Donaire is and I'm sure that he have really put so much time and efforts in preparing and training against Inoue. I can also tell that this time around he have the higher hand how to counter Inoue's punches and movement.

It's been a while since they had their first encounter, and I'm also excited to see these two clash in the ring again.

All I am saying is that Inoue's fíght with Donaire will have the expected ending. Donaire is a really good fighter, there is no doubt about that. He just has not gotten to Inoue's level of commitment. You know what commitment is? Look at Inoues instagram for example. A lot of followers and everything is about his boxxing. Donaire, on the other hand, barely any followers and his instagram is not fully devoted to boxxing. Basically, he is saying boxxing is not his entire life.

How can you win with such low commitment? Obviously such lack of commitment can be found in his training too.



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April 03, 2022, 07:53:37 PM
This time, maybe Donaire can really do that as he already have that first-hand experience in facing Inoue that unfortunately resulted to a lost but we can't say that he's already out of his prime because after that fight he had a good 2 consecutive fights with a finishing KO. We know how determined Donaire is and I'm sure that he have really put so much time and efforts in preparing and training against Inoue. I can also tell that this time around he have the higher hand how to counter Inoue's punches and movement.

It's been a while since they had their first encounter, and I'm also excited to see these two clash in the ring again.

Since both of them knows already the strength of each other, that's their basis for forming a strategy that they can apply to their rematch. Naoya Inoue is even currently in his prime and 10 years younger than Donaire but got a heavy problem in their first match although he won in the end. He was surprised that an old Donaire gives him a difficult fight that is not usual in Inoue's whole boxing experience.

Inoue will come strong at this fight but it doesn't mean Donaire won't just allow him to dictate the phase of the fight. 2 months to go, we will now witness this rematch, and excited to watch this as I follow the World Boxing Super Series last 2019.
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April 03, 2022, 07:47:28 PM
This will be another good and exciting fight as Donaire will show us once again his fast hand speed and punching power that could make the Monster a loser. However, Inoue with his incredible punching power and relentless body attack will always be optimistic that he can win this fight as this fight will give him an advantage because it will be happening in his onw home court.

Actually, Donaire can match Inoue's power punch and speed. We can refer to their first fight for that where even Donaire loses, he put Inoue on his maximum limit just for the Japanese monster to win the fight. What I'm thinking now is, since Inoue now knows how fierce and deadly Donaire is, he is much aware now what to do. We can expect a different Inoue on that match since he won't allow Donaire to give him more damage once they meet again.

On Donaire's side, there will be surely some adjustments as he already knows how Inoue performed in the ring. The damage he gives to Inoue might be his encouragement that if he can give that to the champion, he can repeat it at any cost and maybe get the win over him.
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April 03, 2022, 05:21:25 PM
Finally, it's been announced that the two will once again face each other. I think this is already official. Even Inoue has already confirmed the fight and the fight details on social media. The date is set on June 7, 2022 and the venue will be in Saitama, Japan.

I am once again excited because I know the two will give us an explosive fight. The last time they met, in 2019, the two made a fight of the year.  I am looking forward to the same level of energy in this rematch.

Yeah, we finally have a date and a venue, just waiting for the final announcement and it's going to be official. And the timing is just about right, 9 weeks before the date, 8 weeks of hard training for both fighters.

Donaire seems to have his second wind in his career, so I'm expecting him to give the Monster a good fight and this could end up in the judges scorecard again and hopefully Donaire can get his revenge.
This will be another good and exciting fight as Donaire will show us once again his fast hand speed and punching power that could make the Monster a loser. However, Inoue with his incredible punching power and relentless body attack will always be optimistic that he can win this fight as this fight will give him an advantage because it will be happening in his onw home court.
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April 03, 2022, 01:33:39 PM
Every boxer studies their opponent so most probably that left hook style of Donaire already knows by Inoue and he prepares a counter attack for that which makes this future match more exciting since adjustments should be made in order for them to win and for Donaire, he has to be more active if he wants to win agains Donaire.
this is what I am expecting in this fight both of them having something new in their arsenal to try and win the fight. not sure about others but knowing that these fighters would have something new in this fight is what makes it exciting.


On the other hand, we see Nonito more treating boxxing as a social pageant.
I am curious how you came to this conclusion.

Naoya is going to wipe the floor with poor Nonito.
maybe, maybe not. though I am not gonna lie that Inoue is a very strong contender. all in all, I think this fight will be exciting to watch.
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