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Quote from: Kasabus on July 16, 2021, 10:34:08 AM

Yeah, it did not happen because of some controversy, they should have not announced it if they will just cancel it. It's all Donaire's fault, he is too soft with trash-talked, he should have silent Caimero in the ring if he wants him to be respected.

Your statement is not valid as you didn't know the whole story. Try to read the source of the issue so you will be enlightened. Donaire is the one who challenges and sets the fight with Casimero so there's no reason for canceling unless it was a personal and big private matter.

Look at how Casimero is silent on the issue because their camp will be in a bad image as they know the mistake they did. The promoters and organizers can't even do anything to fix the problem. Boxing champ Inoue even sides with Nonito as he understands the situation.

We never know the whole story because what we have is just a statement that is released in the media or to their personal youtube channel, also we don't know who is saying the truth so we are just left guessing, and based on what I read, I think the public sides on Casimero because they understand trash talk is normal and they just want to see this fight.

It was a he said, she said sort of scenario, one camp is accusing the other, while the other camp is denying the issue. Again, we should move on guys, no need to dig deeper.

Donaire and Casimero has move on their separate ways, but if they remain champions, the fight between the two is unavoidable in the future.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 16, 2021, 10:34:08 AM

Yeah, it did not happen because of some controversy, they should have not announced it if they will just cancel it. It's all Donaire's fault, he is too soft with trash-talked, he should have silent Caimero in the ring if he wants him to be respected. Moving on, Inoue vs Donaire II is just a great fight now that Donaire is a champion and there's a big stake in this fight.

That was unexpected and they thought everything is all set and that's why they've announced it already. We don't know if that's just part of the promo since Casimero is already having his upcoming match. Maybe this is also part of the promo but I don't want to think of it as that.
It's just that there's some misunderstanding on their contract and didn't agree with both parties' term.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 16, 2021, 06:23:04 PM

Quote from: Kasabus on July 16, 2021, 10:34:08 AM

Yeah, it did not happen because of some controversy, they should have not announced it if they will just cancel it. It's all Donaire's fault, he is too soft with trash-talked, he should have silent Caimero in the ring if he wants him to be respected.

Your statement is not valid as you didn't know the whole story. Try to read the source of the issue so you will be enlightened. Donaire is the one who challenges and sets the fight with Casimero so there's no reason for canceling unless it was a personal and big private matter.

Look at how Casimero is silent on the issue because their camp will be in a bad image as they know the mistake they did. The promoters and organizers can't even do anything to fix the problem. Boxing champ Inoue even sides with Nonito as he understands the situation.

We never know the whole story because what we have is just a statement that is released in the media or to their personal youtube channel, also we don't know who is saying the truth so we are just left guessing, and based on what I read, I think the public sides on Casimero because they understand trash talk is normal and they just want to see this fight.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 16, 2021, 10:34:08 AM

Yeah, it did not happen because of some controversy, they should have not announced it if they will just cancel it. It's all Donaire's fault, he is too soft with trash-talked, he should have silent Caimero in the ring if he wants him to be respected.

Your statement is not valid as you didn't know the whole story. Try to read the source of the issue so you will be enlightened. Donaire is the one who challenges and sets the fight with Casimero so there's no reason for canceling unless it was a personal and big private matter.

Look at how Casimero is silent on the issue because their camp will be in a bad image as they know the mistake they did. The promoters and organizers can't even do anything to fix the problem. Boxing champ Inoue even sides with Nonito as he understands the situation.

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Quote from: Botnake on July 16, 2021, 05:38:58 AM

It was supposed to be the first time to see a Filipino vs Filipino champion in a specific weight class, which would be in the history of boxing for the Filipinos.

Yeah, it did not happen because of some controversy, they should have not announced it if they will just cancel it. It's all Donaire's fault, he is too soft with trash-talked, he should have silent Caimero in the ring if he wants him to be respected. Moving on, Inoue vs Donaire II is just a great fight now that Donaire is a champion and there's a big stake in this fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 16, 2021, 05:34:34 AM

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on July 16, 2021, 12:16:49 AM

Donaire is Known to be one of the Gentlemen of Boxing m he doesn't usually throw bad words against His opponent instead he only proves his skills and abilities inside the ring and outside the ring he is an ordinary person .
things that different from others .

Maybe that's the reason why he cancelled the fight, he is so sensitive, he doesn't want to receive some trash talk from his Filipino rival. That's so unprofessional IMO, he should punish Casimero in the ring, not cancel the fight, I'm sure fans are disappointed with his action.

Yes, mostly boxing fans are disappointment to see him cancelling the fight with Casimero. But we have move on, Casimero vs Rigo next and then Inoue vs Donaire.

Absolutely, move one but don't forget as there's still a chance that both fighters will collide in the future if these two filipino will reign in the bantam weight division.

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 16, 2021, 05:34:34 AM

@yazher - for me it's a good sign that Filipinos are fighting fellow Pinoys, it means that we are dominating that weight class, or at least the lower class, similar to Mexicans.

It was supposed to be the first time to see a Filipino vs Filipino champion in a specific weight class, which would be in the history of boxing for the Filipinos.

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Donaire is Known to be one of the Gentlemen of Boxing m he doesn't usually throw bad words against His opponent instead he only proves his skills and abilities inside the ring and outside the ring he is an ordinary person .
things that different from others .

Maybe that's the reason why he cancelled the fight, he is so sensitive, he doesn't want to receive some trash talk from his Filipino rival. That's so unprofessional IMO, he should punish Casimero in the ring, not cancel the fight, I'm sure fans are disappointed with his action.

Yes, mostly boxing fans are disappointment to see him cancelling the fight with Casimero. But we have move on, Casimero vs Rigo next and then Inoue vs Donaire.

@yazher - for me it's a good sign that Filipinos are fighting fellow Pinoys, it means that we are dominating that weight class, or at least the lower class, similar to Mexicans.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on July 12, 2021, 05:47:51 PM

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About Inoue's chin, at first glance you could really tell that this boy had a fragile chin but based up on his career stats then its impossible on avoiding hits and now he's still undefeated
which does proves out that he's currently the best or great on his weight division.

It's easy to achieve that shape, Inoue is just gifted because he is fast and a heavy hitter, most of his fights are won by KO, you can tell he could really dominate his division. Naoya Inoue is only 28 years old, this boy can still improve and will become a complete fighter.

He is short like Manny Pacquiao, who knows he might be the next Pacquiao.

Yeah, there are already some comparison when it comes to speed and power:

https://mb.com.ph/2021/06/17/japanese-champ-inoue-draws-pacquiao-comparison/
https://www.givemesport.com/1708831-naoya-inoue-compared-to-manny-pacquiao-ahead-of-michael-dasmarinas-title-fight

Cant really be denied that he's likely to be the same and i do love these humble fighters.

Inoue right now is like Pacquiao's prime years where they both are dominating in their corresponding weight divisions.

TBH, Inoue's fight against Donaire is his hardest fight and it also ended up in a UD. This just shows that they are equal that is why a 2nd fight is needed in order for Donaire to get his revenge. He knows that he can defeat him but he is just a little bit short. I don't know who will win but for others, they will bet for Inoue because of how he is dominating his opponents and add also his age advantage as well. Either way, this will be as great as their first fight. I just hope that this will not end in a KO

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Quote from: Viscore on July 16, 2021, 01:12:40 AM

Quote from: bitterguy28 on July 16, 2021, 12:16:49 AM

Donaire is Known to be one of the Gentlemen of Boxing m he doesn't usually throw bad words against His opponent instead he only proves his skills and abilities inside the ring and outside the ring he is an ordinary person .
things that different from others .

Maybe that's the reason why he cancelled the fight, he is so sensitive, he doesn't want to receive some trash talk from his Filipino rival. That's so unprofessional IMO, he should punish Casimero in the ring, not cancel the fight, I'm sure fans are disappointed with his action.

I think it's a good decision since Filipinos are not really unto watching two fellow countrymen inside the ring. since every Filipino boxer is trying to bring glory to the country, that fight has no sense at all. I wanted to see them fight with another nation to show the other countries how good we are in this sport and we are known in the entire world thanks for this sport. If they pursue part 2 of the Inoue vs Donaire's fight, I'm pretty sure that Inoue has already gained a tremendous amount of experience and the fight will likely have a higher chance of him winning again.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on July 16, 2021, 12:16:49 AM

Donaire is Known to be one of the Gentlemen of Boxing m he doesn't usually throw bad words against His opponent instead he only proves his skills and abilities inside the ring and outside the ring he is an ordinary person .
things that different from others .

Maybe that's the reason why he cancelled the fight, he is so sensitive, he doesn't want to receive some trash talk from his Filipino rival. That's so unprofessional IMO, he should punish Casimero in the ring, not cancel the fight, I'm sure fans are disappointed with his action.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 15, 2021, 11:25:37 PM

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Quote from: Natalim on July 15, 2021, 05:32:38 PM

The funny thing is if Casimero will lose in this fight, Donaire can't make fun of him because he also loses against Rigo, so the hottest in the division will be Rigo and Inoue and Donaire can easily be dispatch by Inoue, and he would not win against Rigo or Inoue.

He wont really throw any words if ever Casimero would lose to Rigo and as you said because he also losses to him and that would just be ending up on the same situation.
If they are really serious on targeting out Inoue for them to fight then they should strive on beating up on the in-line opponent that had been set but most likely
if Rigo would win against Casimero then next will neither be Rigo vs Inoue and thats the time that hype is over. Cheesy

Yes, I don't think that Donaire will stoop that low to bad mouth Casimero if ever he losses to Rigo.

The 3 of them, Donaire, Casimero and Rigo's main prize is Inoue. So they will have to focus on it, not to throw trash talk with each other.

We still have 4 weeks between Casimero and Rigo, but it seems everyone is already hype about this fight, specially for Filipino. If Casimero and then Manny P. wins in August it will be a big celebration for Filipino boxing community.

Donaire is Known to be one of the Gentlemen of Boxing m he doesn't usually throw bad words against His opponent instead he only proves his skills and abilities inside the ring and outside the ring he is an ordinary person .
things that different from others .

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Quote from: Natalim on July 15, 2021, 05:32:38 PM

The funny thing is if Casimero will lose in this fight, Donaire can't make fun of him because he also loses against Rigo, so the hottest in the division will be Rigo and Inoue and Donaire can easily be dispatch by Inoue, and he would not win against Rigo or Inoue.

He wont really throw any words if ever Casimero would lose to Rigo and as you said because he also losses to him and that would just be ending up on the same situation.
If they are really serious on targeting out Inoue for them to fight then they should strive on beating up on the in-line opponent that had been set but most likely
if Rigo would win against Casimero then next will neither be Rigo vs Inoue and thats the time that hype is over. Cheesy

Yes, I don't think that Donaire will stoop that low to bad mouth Casimero if ever he losses to Rigo.

The 3 of them, Donaire, Casimero and Rigo's main prize is Inoue. So they will have to focus on it, not to throw trash talk with each other.

We still have 4 weeks between Casimero and Rigo, but it seems everyone is already hype about this fight, specially for Filipino. If Casimero and then Manny P. wins in August it will be a big celebration for Filipino boxing community.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 15, 2021, 05:32:38 PM

The funny thing is if Casimero will lose in this fight, Donaire can't make fun of him because he also loses against Rigo, so the hottest in the division will be Rigo and Inoue and Donaire can easily be dispatch by Inoue, and he would not win against Rigo or Inoue.

He wont really throw any words if ever Casimero would lose to Rigo and as you said because he also losses to him and that would just be ending up on the same situation.
If they are really serious on targeting out Inoue for them to fight then they should strive on beating up on the in-line opponent that had been set but most likely
if Rigo would win against Casimero then next will neither be Rigo vs Inoue and thats the time that hype is over. Cheesy

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It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

Casimero and his camp are already working with all those possibilities that Rigo may bring to this fight, they are watching and carefully analysing those old fights by Rigo.

Preparations is very important since Casimero is aiming for more decent title fights, he needs to bring the old champ down.

I've seen a lot of videos of Casimero before he leaves for the USA and it seems that he is preparing for this time and does not take Rigo for granted. He might be cocky sometimes but I do think that it is his way of going into the opponent's mind and psyche them up and also to sell tickets lol, we all know that whenever a boxer boasted many fans will want to see him fail.

I would be very upset if Casimero will fail on this one as this is his ticket to a more lucrative fight with Inoue as promised by MP Promotion and the fact that Rigo is old, he should take care of the latter convincingly.

Well said, Rigo is good in his defense, he is known as a defensive fight like Mayweather but he is not undefeated anymore, which means there's a strategy to beat him and Casimero here has to be good like Loma in order to make Rigo quit.

In terms of record, Rigo has the advantage as he is an olympian, but no one stays at his peak forever though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Rigondeaux

Casimero is under the camp of Pacquiao, so if he will do his job in training, he has high chance to beat Rigo. If he will beat Rigo, then high likely that they will arrange fight for Inoue. Now, what will happen to Donaire here? Will Casimero get the fight to Inoue earlier than Donaire-Inoue re-match? This is interesting.

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It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

Casimero and his camp are already working with all those possibilities that Rigo may bring to this fight, they are watching and carefully analysing those old fights by Rigo.

Preparations is very important since Casimero is aiming for more decent title fights, he needs to bring the old champ down.

I've seen a lot of videos of Casimero before he leaves for the USA and it seems that he is preparing for this time and does not take Rigo for granted. He might be cocky sometimes but I do think that it is his way of going into the opponent's mind and psyche them up and also to sell tickets lol, we all know that whenever a boxer boasted many fans will want to see him fail.

I would be very upset if Casimero will fail on this one as this is his ticket to a more lucrative fight with Inoue as promised by MP Promotion and the fact that Rigo is old, he should take care of the latter convincingly.

Well said, Rigo is good in his defense, he is known as a defensive fight like Mayweather but he is not undefeated anymore, which means there's a strategy to beat him and Casimero here has to be good like Loma in order to make Rigo quit.

In terms of record, Rigo has the advantage as he is an olympian, but no one stays at his peak forever though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Rigondeaux

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It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

Casimero and his camp are already working with all those possibilities that Rigo may bring to this fight, they are watching and carefully analysing those old fights by Rigo.

Preparations is very important since Casimero is aiming for more decent title fights, he needs to bring the old champ down.

I've seen a lot of videos of Casimero before he leaves for the USA and it seems that he is preparing for this time and does not take Rigo for granted. He might be cocky sometimes but I do think that it is his way of going into the opponent's mind and psyche them up and also to sell tickets lol, we all know that whenever a boxer boasted many fans will want to see him fail.

I would be very upset if Casimero will fail on this one as this is his ticket to a more lucrative fight with Inoue as promised by MP Promotion and the fact that Rigo is old, he should take care of the latter convincingly.

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It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

Casimero and his camp are already working with all those possibilities that Rigo may bring to this fight, they are watching and carefully analysing those old fights by Rigo.

Preparations is very important since Casimero is aiming for more decent title fights, he needs to bring the old champ down.

Both of them are studying their opponent and they want to win, Rigo has only experienced 1 loss in this career, so we can't be too confident that Casimero will win although he is so confident and tells the public that he will knock Rigo down.

The funny thing is if Casimero will lose in this fight, Donaire can't make fun of him because he also loses against Rigo, so the hottest in the division will be Rigo and Inoue and Donaire can easily be dispatch by Inoue, and he would not win against Rigo or Inoue.

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I think they've done the right talking outside the ring already, let's see what will happen in the actual fight.

Bookies should also make the betting odds available so we can start talking and betting on it.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 15, 2021, 09:54:33 AM

It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

Casimero and his camp are already working with all those possibilities that Rigo may bring to this fight, they are watching and carefully analysing those old fights by Rigo.

Preparations is very important since Casimero is aiming for more decent title fights, he needs to bring the old champ down.

Both of them are studying their opponent and they want to win, Rigo has only experienced 1 loss in this career, so we can't be too confident that Casimero will win although he is so confident and tells the public that he will knock Rigo down. I think they've done the right talking outside the ring already, let's see what will happen in the actual fight.

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You have a good point though, Rigondeaux's performance is affected by his age, but he is still a dangerous fighter because his record looks impressive. He might not have an impressive win but a win is a win, you can't argue that. I believe we should look at the betting odds of Casimer vs Rigondeaux and see how the bookies see this fight.

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Casimero vs Rigo is somewhat more of a fitting fight for Rigo because Casimero, though tested but there are tendencies that he could be careless sometimes and a little bit too cocky. If he takes for granted this fight with Rigo, this might derail his chance to fight for the unification title.

It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

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About Inoue's chin, at first glance you could really tell that this boy had a fragile chin but based up on his career stats then its impossible on avoiding hits and now he's still undefeated
which does proves out that he's currently the best or great on his weight division.

It's easy to achieve that shape, Inoue is just gifted because he is fast and a heavy hitter, most of his fights are won by KO, you can tell he could really dominate his division. Naoya Inoue is only 28 years old, this boy can still improve and will become a complete fighter.

He is short like Manny Pacquiao, who knows he might be the next Pacquiao.

Yeah, there are already some comparison when it comes to speed and power:

https://mb.com.ph/2021/06/17/japanese-champ-inoue-draws-pacquiao-comparison/
https://www.givemesport.com/1708831-naoya-inoue-compared-to-manny-pacquiao-ahead-of-michael-dasmarinas-title-fight

Cant really be denied that he's likely to be the same and i do love these humble fighters.

He has the power and he is really strong, we can compare him to Manny Pacquiao but Inoue needs to move up in order to follow the footsteps of Manny. An 8 division champion, I think it's hard to beat that, and Manny is so humble that he didn't even mention he is an 8th division champion during an argument.

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