Inoue vs Donaire II discussion - page 59.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 09, 2021, 11:09:55 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on July 09, 2021, 10:35:15 AM

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Quote from: tippytoes on July 08, 2021, 06:15:24 PM

For sure, they will make adjustments with their techniques here. As they pretty know each other by now when it comes to the ring. They need to alter their strategies and we will see that if indeed this fight will soon happen. As both are relatively fresh with their previous fights, they can easily go back to their training routine. But in terms of odds, I am certain, bookies will favor Inoue here over Donaire.

That's expected, and we will see a major adjustment in that fight. Inoue will adjust not to get hurt by the counter of Donaire, while Donaire will try to end this fight early as that's his only chance to win, otherwise, he will lose his stamina to a younger champion. Inoue's jab is very effective, Donaire could not counter him easily because of that, Inoue should stick with that while continue to be aggressive.

Donaire's jab is also good in my opinion, the problem is that Inoue is so much faster than him, that's why he was beaten to it. And if he wanted to counter, he need to have a perfect timing, and usually that's what happen in the first fight. But as you have said, as the fight gets longer, Donaire's chances are getting thinner. He needs to get up and shoot for his left hook early so that Inoue will be on the defensive and can't get this jab easily.

I support our Filipino boxers but I just don't see Donaire winning against a young champion Inoue. We have seen enough in their fight before, and it was Inoue who completely dominates the fight, I think it's better if he will fight Casimero or Rigo, he would still get a belt if he wins.

Same thoughts here, I would admit I bet on Donaire on their first fight he Donaire was an underdog, but now that I saw them fight already, I would already change my bet to Inoue as he is the better fighter and I have never seen in the record of Donaire that he had a rematch on a certain fighter and won on the rematch.

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 09, 2021, 11:09:55 AM

For the record, Inoue and Rigo beat Donaire already, so it's only Casimero whom he hasn't fought yet, it's just unfortunate that the fight did not push through.

We can check all the records of Donaire in https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/48243

Loss to Naoya Inoue via UD
Loss to Carl Frampton via UD
Loss to Jessie Magdaleno via UD
Loss to Nicholas Walters via TKO
Loss to Guillermo Rigondeaux* via UD.

As we can see, most of the loses are via Unanimous decision, if it will go to the scorecard, most likely Donaire would loss again.

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Quote from: Dave1 on July 09, 2021, 10:35:15 AM

Quote from: Vaculin on July 09, 2021, 10:14:27 AM

Quote from: tippytoes on July 08, 2021, 06:15:24 PM

For sure, they will make adjustments with their techniques here. As they pretty know each other by now when it comes to the ring. They need to alter their strategies and we will see that if indeed this fight will soon happen. As both are relatively fresh with their previous fights, they can easily go back to their training routine. But in terms of odds, I am certain, bookies will favor Inoue here over Donaire.

That's expected, and we will see a major adjustment in that fight. Inoue will adjust not to get hurt by the counter of Donaire, while Donaire will try to end this fight early as that's his only chance to win, otherwise, he will lose his stamina to a younger champion. Inoue's jab is very effective, Donaire could not counter him easily because of that, Inoue should stick with that while continue to be aggressive.

Donaire's jab is also good in my opinion, the problem is that Inoue is so much faster than him, that's why he was beaten to it. And if he wanted to counter, he need to have a perfect timing, and usually that's what happen in the first fight. But as you have said, as the fight gets longer, Donaire's chances are getting thinner. He needs to get up and shoot for his left hook early so that Inoue will be on the defensive and can't get this jab easily.

I support our Filipino boxers but I just don't see Donaire winning against a young champion Inoue. We have seen enough in their fight before, and it was Inoue who completely dominates the fight, I think it's better if he will fight Casimero or Rigo, he would still get a belt if he wins.

For the record, Inoue and Rigo beat Donaire already, so it's only Casimero whom he hasn't fought yet, it's just unfortunate that the fight did not push through.

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Quote from: Vaculin on July 09, 2021, 10:14:27 AM

Quote from: tippytoes on July 08, 2021, 06:15:24 PM

For sure, they will make adjustments with their techniques here. As they pretty know each other by now when it comes to the ring. They need to alter their strategies and we will see that if indeed this fight will soon happen. As both are relatively fresh with their previous fights, they can easily go back to their training routine. But in terms of odds, I am certain, bookies will favor Inoue here over Donaire.

That's expected, and we will see a major adjustment in that fight. Inoue will adjust not to get hurt by the counter of Donaire, while Donaire will try to end this fight early as that's his only chance to win, otherwise, he will lose his stamina to a younger champion. Inoue's jab is very effective, Donaire could not counter him easily because of that, Inoue should stick with that while continue to be aggressive.

Donaire's jab is also good in my opinion, the problem is that Inoue is so much faster than him, that's why he was beaten to it. And if he wanted to counter, he need to have a perfect timing, and usually that's what happen in the first fight. But as you have said, as the fight gets longer, Donaire's chances are getting thinner. He needs to get up and shoot for his left hook early so that Inoue will be on the defensive and can't get this jab easily.

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Quote from: tippytoes on July 08, 2021, 06:15:24 PM

For sure, they will make adjustments with their techniques here. As they pretty know each other by now when it comes to the ring. They need to alter their strategies and we will see that if indeed this fight will soon happen. As both are relatively fresh with their previous fights, they can easily go back to their training routine. But in terms of odds, I am certain, bookies will favor Inoue here over Donaire.

That's expected, and we will see a major adjustment in that fight. Inoue will adjust not to get hurt by the counter of Donaire, while Donaire will try to end this fight early as that's his only chance to win, otherwise, he will lose his stamina to a younger champion. Inoue's jab is very effective, Donaire could not counter him easily because of that, Inoue should stick with that while continue to be aggressive.

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Quote from: Quidat on July 08, 2021, 05:22:53 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on July 08, 2021, 04:34:47 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on July 08, 2021, 03:58:09 PM

What I observed about Inoue is that he is fast but he lacks head movement, that's why he got hit in the face with some good counter by Donaire, however, Inoue is also strong, he always come back and hit donaire with some pair of heavy shots as well.

Inoue relies on his power that's why he is aggressive, but with the experience against Donaire, I guess they will improve his style and the head movement will also be improved. Inoue may be as powerful as Pacquiao, but he is not a complete boxer yet, so he still needs to improve, however, on his division which is the bantam weight, it's very clear that he is the king, especially if he beats Donaire again and take his belt in a unification fight.

He's still young and its normal that he would really be gaining more experience as he moved forward but looking into stats then this kid isnt something ordinary. Power is there and gradually as he fought boxers ahead
his technical skills do become much more better and you can see it on that recent fight against dasmarinas.
When this boy do gain sufficient experience then this would even more become an unbeatable monster.Not to underestimate Donaire but age is one of factors too that do affect
performance.
Lets see if they do make out some adjustments that they had experienced on last fight and might able to make out some upset on here.

For sure, they will make adjustments with their techniques here. As they pretty know each other by now when it comes to the ring. They need to alter their strategies and we will see that if indeed this fight will soon happen. As both are relatively fresh with their previous fights, they can easily go back to their training routine. But in terms of odds, I am certain, bookies will favor Inoue here over Donaire.

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Quote from: Russlenat on July 08, 2021, 04:34:47 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on July 08, 2021, 03:58:09 PM

What I observed about Inoue is that he is fast but he lacks head movement, that's why he got hit in the face with some good counter by Donaire, however, Inoue is also strong, he always come back and hit donaire with some pair of heavy shots as well.

Inoue relies on his power that's why he is aggressive, but with the experience against Donaire, I guess they will improve his style and the head movement will also be improved. Inoue may be as powerful as Pacquiao, but he is not a complete boxer yet, so he still needs to improve, however, on his division which is the bantam weight, it's very clear that he is the king, especially if he beats Donaire again and take his belt in a unification fight.

He's still young and its normal that he would really be gaining more experience as he moved forward but looking into stats then this kid isnt something ordinary. Power is there and gradually as he fought boxers ahead
his technical skills do become much more better and you can see it on that recent fight against dasmarinas.
When this boy do gain sufficient experience then this would even more become an unbeatable monster.Not to underestimate Donaire but age is one of factors too that do affect
performance.
Lets see if they do make out some adjustments that they had experienced on last fight and might able to make out some upset on here.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 08, 2021, 03:58:09 PM

What I observed about Inoue is that he is fast but he lacks head movement, that's why he got hit in the face with some good counter by Donaire, however, Inoue is also strong, he always come back and hit donaire with some pair of heavy shots as well.

Inoue relies on his power that's why he is aggressive, but with the experience against Donaire, I guess they will improve his style and the head movement will also be improved. Inoue may be as powerful as Pacquiao, but he is not a complete boxer yet, so he still needs to improve, however, on his division which is the bantam weight, it's very clear that he is the king, especially if he beats Donaire again and take his belt in a unification fight.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on July 08, 2021, 12:39:11 PM

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for this Donaire VS Inoue rematch, I will bet for Nonito Donaire to win I have seen the change of pace on Donaire's style and that fight with Nordine Oubaali had proved despite his age had changed a lot that he surely has what it takes to win against Naoya Inoue, and to show support for my fellow Filipino.

We cannot compare Oubaali to Inoue, Inoue is faster stronger than Oubaali, honestly, Donaire's chances are slim but we never know Inoue may look invincible but Donaire's team will look for flaws and exploit it, let's see how it goes if Donaire wins here, expect a third rematch here.

We can not compare Inoue with Oubaali because they are surely two different fighters with two different styles, and Naoya Inoue is surely a world-class fighter his body shots is really powerful and devastating when it hits, it can surely stun his opponent, Speed, and Power that is Naoya Inoue, however, I think Nonito Donaire surely experience this sensation and the fight with Inoue has realized what he's going to do If you look at their first fight you can see that Donaire hang on and even withstands Naoya Inoue's punches and I think Naoya Inoue also had a hard time-fighting Donaire that is what I think and sometimes to beat your opponent you got to experience him first before getting a conclusion on what to do, I think Donaire will have his revenge.

We all saw the first fight and its clear domination by Inoue, however, that domination can be said that he is still fighting the hardest fight of his career as a boxer as he was injured in that fight. Donaire is also a champion, Inoue cannot underestimate Donaire, so if they are into the rematch, Inoue should train harder.

What I observed about Inoue is that he is fast but he lacks head movement, that's why he got hit in the face with some good counter by Donaire, however, Inoue is also strong, he always come back and hit donaire with some pair of heavy shots as well.

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Quote from: coin-investor on July 08, 2021, 09:17:14 AM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on July 08, 2021, 04:46:29 AM

for this Donaire VS Inoue rematch, I will bet for Nonito Donaire to win I have seen the change of pace on Donaire's style and that fight with Nordine Oubaali had proved despite his age had changed a lot that he surely has what it takes to win against Naoya Inoue, and to show support for my fellow Filipino.

We cannot compare Oubaali to Inoue, Inoue is faster stronger than Oubaali, honestly, Donaire's chances are slim but we never know Inoue may look invincible but Donaire's team will look for flaws and exploit it, let's see how it goes if Donaire wins here, expect a third rematch here.

We can not compare Inoue with Oubaali because they are surely two different fighters with two different styles, and Naoya Inoue is surely a world-class fighter his body shots is really powerful and devastating when it hits, it can surely stun his opponent, Speed, and Power that is Naoya Inoue, however, I think Nonito Donaire surely experience this sensation and the fight with Inoue has realized what he's going to do If you look at their first fight you can see that Donaire hang on and even withstands Naoya Inoue's punches and I think Naoya Inoue also had a hard time-fighting Donaire that is what I think and sometimes to beat your opponent you got to experience him first before getting a conclusion on what to do, I think Donaire will have his revenge.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on July 08, 2021, 04:46:29 AM

for this Donaire VS Inoue rematch, I will bet for Nonito Donaire to win I have seen the change of pace on Donaire's style and that fight with Nordine Oubaali had proved despite his age had changed a lot that he surely has what it takes to win against Naoya Inoue, and to show support for my fellow Filipino.

We cannot compare Oubaali to Inoue, Inoue is faster stronger than Oubaali, honestly, Donaire's chances are slim but we never know Inoue may look invincible but Donaire's team will look for flaws and exploit it, let's see how it goes if Donaire wins here, expect a third rematch here.

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This starts with the social media clashing of Nonito Donaire and John Reil Casimero that they will have a match on who's going to face Naoya Inoue, but sad to say that Donaire VS Casimero will not continue because Naoya Inoue wants to face first the Phillippine Flash Nonito Donaire first than to continue his fight with John Reil Casimero, but I think after this fight with Donaire, Inoue will then face next Casimero, to continue their canceled fight.

for this Donaire VS Inoue rematch, I will bet for Nonito Donaire to win I have seen the change of pace on Donaire's style and that fight with Nordine Oubaali had proved despite his age had changed a lot that he surely has what it takes to win against Naoya Inoue, and to show support for my fellow Filipino.

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Quote from: peter0425 on July 08, 2021, 03:16:25 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on July 03, 2021, 07:10:27 AM

Since Donaire vs Casimero fight is already off, and we heard a lot of rumors that Donaire will be fighting Inou.

What can you say about the rematch, will Donaire be able to avenge his loss and win the fight, or we will see the same result in their first fight.

Nonito Donaire - current holder of WBC World Bantam Title
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/48243

Naoya Inoue- Current holder of WBA Super Bantam Title/IBF world Bantam Title.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/628407

Nonito Donaire has no match for Inoue and lets accept that fact, His power is not enough to beat Inoue

We already see the first bout and how much burden did Donaire take , but of course He will keep trying as long as he has a chance before his retirement soon.

Donaire has the power in their first match, it's that that Inoue has a good chin. He broke Inoue's orbital bone, causing him to be operate. But after that, no one has touches Inoue again. So if they face each other, maybe Donaire's left hook will do more damage this time. Inoue are going to protect his eye because he knows that Donaire has the power to broke it again. He will be cautious and maybe that's what Donaire needed, if Inoue became hesitant and afraid to go toe to toe because he has face the power of Donaire in their first match.

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Quote from: peter0425 on July 08, 2021, 03:16:25 AM

Nonito Donaire has no match for Inoue and lets accept that fact, His power is not enough to beat Inoue

We already see the first bout and how much burden did Donaire take , but of course He will keep trying as long as he has a chance before his retirement soon.

We will never be sure until this finally happens, remember that Donaire has the experience that might be the detrimental thing that will decide the fight against Inoue, although I believe that Inoue has what it takes, I think that if you aren't betting, we better just watch and see what happens next.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 03, 2021, 07:10:27 AM

Since Donaire vs Casimero fight is already off, and we heard a lot of rumors that Donaire will be fighting Inou.

What can you say about the rematch, will Donaire be able to avenge his loss and win the fight, or we will see the same result in their first fight.

Nonito Donaire - current holder of WBC World Bantam Title
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/48243

Naoya Inoue- Current holder of WBA Super Bantam Title/IBF world Bantam Title.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/628407

Nonito Donaire has no match for Inoue and lets accept that fact, His power is not enough to beat Inoue

We already see the first bout and how much burden did Donaire take , but of course He will keep trying as long as he has a chance before his retirement soon.

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Quote from: aioc on July 08, 2021, 02:34:22 AM

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I don't think that Donaire will give Casimero fight in the future. He already said that he didn't want to give him a big pay check. Unless they are forced by the governing body to have a fight.

He should not, we all know Donaire's kind of sportsmanship nobody can question his reputation, all the fighters he fought have huge respect for him whether he lose or win the fight, Casimero is not doing research, he likes to disrespect everybody, this guy should be taught a lesson, and I like Inoue to teach him a lesson, a hard lesson so he will stop being arrogant.

Casimero looks scary to boxing writers said because Rigondeaux and Inoue say no to him. Since Casimero disrespect Donaire, shouldn't he just teach Casimero on the ring and beat him to death instead?

It's actually unbecoming of a champion just cancel a fight all because of a thrash talk, the trash talks had been around for a long time, its not a good reason to cancel a fight. Mayorga touches the ass of Mosley's wife while they are up for the weighing-in. And then Mosley knocks Mayorga out, that's the way to teach a disrespectful boxer, not quit. Casimero is calling Rigondeaux back again according to the blog.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 07, 2021, 07:35:21 PM

I don't think that Donaire will give Casimero fight in the future. He already said that he didn't want to give him a big pay check. Unless they are forced by the governing body to have a fight.

He should not, we all know Donaire's kind of sportsmanship nobody can question his reputation, all the fighters he fought have huge respect for him whether he lose or win the fight, Casimero is not doing research, he likes to disrespect everybody, this guy should be taught a lesson, and I like Inoue to teach him a lesson, a hard lesson so he will stop being arrogant.

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Quote from: Sled on July 07, 2021, 06:45:50 PM

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 03, 2021, 07:10:27 AM

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Inoue is a tough guy and he never let Donaire take the belt easy from him. I know that Donaire had winning skill and experience as the advantage but the "Monster Inoue" is keeping in good shape and keeping his performance to the highest level plus he is younger than Donaire. if they face again, I still put my bet into Inoue.

I respect your decision buddy, and in terms of age I guess that's the advantage of Inoue which has to do a lot than him. But, I will stick with my choice and let's just see the outcome if this fight rematch would happen again. Let's wait for further updates, and may the best of them will win.

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Quote from: Oceat on July 07, 2021, 05:59:11 PM

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This post is not related to the Inoue - Donaire match but this piece of news is an update about the spat between Donaire and Casimero,
Casimero camp says spat with Donaires over after apology and even though the match did not push through Casimero's camp is hoping the match will still continue between the two Filipinos in the future and it could happen if Donaire wins against Inoue, this is something that could motivate Donaire in his coming fight against Inoue.

Well, I believe for various reasons why the fight didn't get through because I think their camp thinks it's not worth it to let two great fighters from the same country fighting each other. All of those excuses is just a cover up but if Donaire wanted to fight Inoue then their will soon going to happen.

But I don't know what's Inoue's camp thinking about the rematch, although their last fight is clear that Inoue owns Donaire. But I hope this time it's different and Donaire should be giving a good fight to all of his fans if he wants to show he could beat down Inoue.

I don't think that Donaire will give Casimero fight in the future. He already said that he didn't want to give him a big pay check. Unless they are forced by the governing body to have a fight.

Again, I'm with Donaire to win against Inoue, he still have some time although he is already old, he can still pull that trigger and that left hook is still one of the best in the division. The power the timing and the execution is still there.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on July 07, 2021, 06:21:35 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on July 03, 2021, 07:10:27 AM

Since Donaire vs Casimero fight is already off, and we heard a lot of rumors that Donaire will be fighting Inou.

What can you say about the rematch, will Donaire be able to avenge his loss and win the fight, or we will see the same result in their first fight.

Nonito Donaire - current holder of WBC World Bantam Title
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/48243

Naoya Inoue- Current holder of WBA Super Bantam Title/IBF world Bantam Title.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/628407

I am 100% confident that Donaire will gain back what ha had lost from his previous fight. Though many people said that he can't do it, but I never lost trust on him because he was still doing more training and doing several strategies to beat his opponent. Rematch is the best idea in order to prove the other camp that in boxing we can't expect all wins, there are times that we're going to lose.

Inoue is a tough guy and he never let Donaire take the belt easy from him. I know that Donaire had winning skill and experience as the advantage but the "Monster Inoue" is keeping in good shape and keeping his performance to the highest level plus he is younger than Donaire. if they face again, I still put my bet into Inoue.

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Donaire had thrown big shots on Inoue, but Inoue was able to handle those punches, and that made Donaire tired and Inoue took that opportunity to go for the kill although the fight ended in the judges's scorecards.

Hopefully, we'll see a knockout here Inoue has been doing great after their last fight but so is Donaire, it's really a good matchup, Inoue has the upper hand here because of his domination, but I don't want to rule out a possible win by Donaire he still can make it both fighters are strong I'm sure they want to settle it in the ring via stoppage and not on the hands of the judges.

You can see the stamina of Donaire was a bit off on later rounds on where Inoue is still on good level in terms of stamina and you can really see it the way he punch but im impressed on how he handle himself on finishing
the later rounds after on being taken down due to that body or liver blow which i cant imagine on how painful it is when you are really hit on that spot.

He is already aware with those kind of shots and for sure the would make out adjustments.We can see on how Donaire do make out some good punches too which did really make some damage or impact on Inoue's face.

Having a rematch between the two is really good to look upon but it isnt bad if they would focus on Casimero.

On Casimero, it's a good fight also to watch if ever there's a bout for both of them. I saw a burning sensation from Donaire as there's conflicting words that came from Casimero lately. This is really an interesting idea for this guy, which I think a key for a strong conviction that potential match will happen.

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