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Quote from: ormatr on May 15, 2023, 12:40:32 PM

Internet services now resumed in the country but social media services are still down in the country. But there is a fix to that we are using vpn to sccess Social media.

The situation in your country has shown that for now, the government has absolute control over the internet in some countries. This fact portrays that they can control the use of bitcoin within these nations since bitcoin relies on the Internet. This situation will force Bitcoiners to flee the country or seek other means of doing bitcoin transactions.

I am not tech-savvy but I think this is the best time to start researching and seeking other means of connecting to the bitcoin without the internet or bypassing government connections. The Internet is too important to be placed in the hands of self-seeking politicians because they will always seek centralization. And if they observe that they cannot stop Bitcoin, they might result to cutting off the internet.

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Imagine a world without internet connectivity. In such a scenario, our ability to engage in online forums or any form of communication would come to a halt. Furthermore, even the fiat ecosystem, which relies heavily on digital transactions, would collapse without the internet. This reality applies equally to Bitcoin, as it too requires an internet connection to broadcast transactions. After all, Bitcoin is a digital currency that operates in a digital realm.

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I already saw how people are sending it from phone to phone wihtout internet

How? Through Bluetooth, GPS, or a satellite connection? I wonder how it happens because the last time that I read something related to this is about the usage of radio waves if there's no internet connection.

Quote from: ormatr on May 15, 2023, 12:40:32 PM

Internet services now resumed in the country but social media services are still down in the country. But there is a fix to that we are using vpn to sccess Social media.

As long as you've got access now to the web and you're able to visit social media websites and other types of websites then you can now have access to transact Bitcoin. If using a VPN is going to make you accessible for doing other things and will make you productive, that's not a secret anymore as even in the corporate world, there have been tasks that do requires the usage of VPN.

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OP I'm sorry to hear these words but in addition to the ways they have already pointed out to you and certainly starlink is the best solution I can also advise you if there is a provider or service in your country that provides this there is also an internet connection with a simple satellite dish just like starlink but cheaper. I don't know if it exists but in Italy it was advertised around the 2000s

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Internet services now resumed in the country but social media services are still down in the country. But there is a fix to that we are using vpn to sccess Social media.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

If government shuts down internet service in your country, then that can probably become a reason of asylum in some countries, I don't know but if it's enough for asylum because sometimes some European countries really accept people for no logical reason, you may escape.
Governments can ban any kind of signal, so, Starlink or even bitcoin-exclusive signal can be blocked and there is no hope in it. You can always do offline transactions but they need to be broadcasted and then confirmed to actually finalize the transaction.

Your only hope is that people will push government to keep internet services active and working because completely shutting it down means that your government wants to totally enslave people, nothing worth more than freedom.

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I would say it is rather a failure of your Republic rather than a weakness of Bitcoin, because two main reasons, in my opinion.

First, Satoshi knew that internet would only continue to grow and become a bigger part of the society, to the point that would be vital to most of the civilized countries and nations. In that sense, the net access to the network can only grow.

Secondly, it is possible to transfer Bitcoin off chain, using private keys or signed transactions as a vehicle to transmit the value. I am aware that this is an option which is not preferred and it should be used only in extraordinary cases, but it is another way.

Anyways, I hope your internet situation gets permanently solved soon.

Take care.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

Sorry to hear your current condition I saw in the news that the condition of Pakistan is now unstable due to political reasons, hope you can reverse this situation very soon.
My problem is somewhat similar to yours, in my own country here loadshedding is happening regularly for about 10 to 12 hours a day due to power shortage. And because of this, it has been seen many times that when I enter an investment or it has happened that during day trading I could not sell according to the strategy because of only for the loadshedding. As a result, not only me but many freelancers in our country are in dire straits. In fact, I myself think that electricity and internet is a limitation of Bitcoin. I myself want to adopt an alternative electricity supply which is solar panels, it might be good for common people who can afford electricity but I really doubt if there is ever a situation where the internet fails. What will be the matter when given? In other words, if everything in the world is not under the reach of the Internet, it is coming to a limit.

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Well, if they shut off the Internet ..then other financial industries are also "down" ..... so it is not just Bitcoin then. The whole economy are run on the Internet, so it is not something that are only targeted at Bitcoin. Wink

There was some thread on this forum, where people discussion Bitcoin transactions over radio waves and also "offline" solutions that might work as a temporary solution, if the Internet is down. Tongue

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

It was only 3 days, not a problem for basically alternative entity use. The intensity of using bitcoin for micro-transactions is still very low especially in developing countries. That doesn't mean you can't pay for something with your local currency at the same time.

Speaking of the internet, the longer an infrastructure is used in all sectors of the country, the higher the level of need, including the internet that must exist to keep up with the era of high accessibility. So I don't believe even the government itself can survive without the internet

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

This kind of situation has more things to consider, the banking system, telephone and cash will be much more problematic when the internet network is down. Is your country currently experiencing a cash currency crisis? If the banking system is fine and still operating as usual, this is another problem your country has deliberately created.

For bitcoin problems, there may have been a lot of suggestions and input given by people in the comments so that you can still use and access bitcoin. Internet outages are a much bigger problem where all network communications will be completely shut down, usually to limit any communication to other countries and this has happened in China.

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Quote from: fat buddah on May 13, 2023, 05:09:33 AM

As people said, that's not the Bitcoin problem. Without the internet, you are unable to do a lot of things, and Bitcoin is just one of them. There are a lot of ways to do something about it, but I wasn't in your position so I can't give you any advice. I just hope everything will be better for you someday.

The Pakistani government is imposing a defiant display of power, barring and limiting their residents' rights; it's so bad to shut off citizens' internet access for unexplained reasons. The internet is one of the most basic human necessities, and imposing strictly prohibited regulations would only make the issue worse. Citizens will be unable to manage their usage of the current world, everything they work so hard to put in place will fade, as everything concerning the digital age improving day by day. The point is to wish for brighter days ahead, for good things do come to those who wait.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on May 13, 2023, 01:37:48 AM

Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

It is true that bitcoin needs the internet in order to be used at all, but is it really such a great limitation? Maybe if this was the early nineties I would agree, but the internet is only getting faster, more readily available and it is becoming one of the keys for the success of any modern society.

And even if governments can shutdown the internet to stop bitcoin, would they dare? This will affect the economy of their countries in a major way, and at the end it would not solve anything, because as soon as they activated the internet again then bitcoin will work again as if nothing happened.

Nowadays, cutting off the internet for a long time is impossible when every device depends on it. internet and electricity are two things like food and water to a person. Without either, a healthy person will become weak and lead to death if this condition persists. as far as I know, what's going on in Pakistan, the government is disrupting the internet for political purposes, not for bitcoin. So this situation will be resolved soon.

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Only that which is the limitation of the internet can be the limitation of bitcoin; Electricity. If there is electricity, many possible means of sharing information would be made available regardless of the Government rules. Internet is an Electricity lifestyle while bitcoin is an Internet Lifestyles it draws a larger scale of difference, but what mattered to people is that their gadgets turn on or are well charged. I'm glad to have seen the possible method of connecting our bitcoin to a satellite. It's an exceptional Idea and it has proven that bitcoin will always stay aloof of its possible problems.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

I've heard in some African countries they started offering an SMS service for Bitcoin transactions which allows users to send/receive Bitcoin without internet access (and even without a smartphone). Not sure how it works though and if they're going to start offering it in other developing countries.

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Quote from: landheer on May 12, 2023, 09:22:26 PM

I don't know much about this issue and I'm only speaking according to what I know.

In my opinion, the absence of the internet will disrupt transactions or invest in BTC, because without the internet, it will be difficult for us to buy and sell BTC.
I think in this case we have to make a wise decision and in this case you are the one doing it so I think you have to do your own research or like other friends suggest it for you, so you can make transactions using BTC etc.
honestly without the internet we will not be able to transact using btc.

All digital transaction is limited by having no internet and Bitcoin is not different from them. Since Bitcoin thrives in an online environment, it cannot perform its function when deprived of the internet. Although there are some ways of transferring Bitcoin outside its standard means, it is more troublesome and possess risk in the process. The good thing is this limitation is shared by many other digital system like e-banking, CBDC and other online commerce, it is more likely that this limitation can't be exploited by the anti-Bitcoin group.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

You are very correct because this is one of the limitations many people that are leaving in the rural area are facing right now and if you tell them about Bitcoin and how it works, they could cry to you that they don't have a constant access to the internet and it a major problem especially when connectivity is partially available to them. The people in this kind of environment are mostly left to leave there lives without the need of the internet.

If there there ways Bitcoin can be process even with the access to internet, this would have facilitate the huge adoption of Bitcoin but I don't think Bitcoin can ever be transact without the use of the internet.

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Quote from: Road21Bitcoin on May 13, 2023, 02:06:52 PM

Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

There are many great responses here detailing alternative routes you can take to still use and access Bitcoin, that is true. But, there are also comments here that are very cavalier in their responses as if loss of internet services across the country is not much of a problem and can be solved easily. As if it can be easily solved by protesting a strict regime, or bypassing access when there is political and military unrest in your country. Internet, if not easily accessible, will always be a limitation if it comes to availing and using cryptocurrency.

Stay safe, brother.

There may be alternative routes as suggested above, but if a person doesn't have much, he won't afford such route.
I can say, internet will indeed hinder the use of crypto especially for a country which has limitations on this aspect.
But as mentioned in early post, Starlink is covering their services in Pakistan already, but need to check out their rates.
Because in my country, the rates from Starlink is not very affordable, so I will stick to my current net provider.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 12, 2023, 04:49:27 AM

There are alternative options, although they will take a bit of time and effort in order to set up and use.

That was is a very good idea but getting the Satellite Dish and subscribe to the server before using it will be costly. Not everyone can afford it. In 2011 I was using one and only the subscription was $200 and now that things are costly, it will be even more than that.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 12, 2023, 04:49:27 AM

The easiest way to stay synced with the network without an internet connection is via Blockstream Satellite. It is possible to repurpose any old satellite dish in order to do this.

The alternative way of using satellite is good but not everyone can get it as I said. Using satellite dish for internet is for the average family or if any other lower people decide to use it for business purpose the it is okay. Satellite Dish is very good for internet business.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 12, 2023, 04:49:27 AM

In order to broadcast a transaction, you need to get it to someone with an internet connection. This might be someone who has bypassed government restrictions, or maybe someone who lives near a border and can use the connection of another country, or someone outside your country altogether. You can get it to them via a mesh network such as goTenna, via SMS, via radio, or any other way you like.

That is another good idea but you have to pay the person for service rendering. You can discuss with the person to pay daily, weekly or monthly. So that the person can add it up to other funds to subscribe the internet.

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