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Quote from: Oshosondy on May 12, 2023, 02:29:07 AM

This is not the problem of bitcoin, but the problem with your government that disabled internet in your country. You can use Starlink instead of relying on local service providers.

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Elon Musk's Starlink finally registered in Pakistan to roll out internet services. ISLAMABAD – Elon Musk's famous satellite broadband provider Starlink has reportedly registered to operate and provide internet services in Pakistan.

No! That's wrong..
IMHO, Not all the country's government are in support of Bitcoin.. I don't know about yours and I won't wanna capitalise on that fact but I'm sure improvements should be made to evade any country's usual restrictions.
...but how would you say Bitcoin transactions can be made to work without routers/internet connections?? Can that ever be possible? Maybe that's where Elon's satellites would do a great job.

I'm just surprised that alot of countries are still trying every possible best to figure out a way to thwart BITCOIN's growing efforts... Some even go as much as imposing unnecessary task and levies, IS THAT THE CASE HERE OR YOU'VE GOT A FAULTY GR ROUTERS WITHOUT ANY ILL INTENTIONS FROM THE GOVTS?? .. just asking.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

Obviously, it's a challenge but, not a pressing one. This is because, the Internet virtually moves almost every sector and having networks regulated would affect the economy of a nation more than bitcoin could ever do. Having these networks available to homes on a wire network is possible and one might still get to use that but, its going to hinder the flow of business and bring humanity back to a salvage times when life was much more simple and energetic.
Besides, a damage on the hardwares would affect a whole region, issues that wouldn't be expressed in having the network broadcast in the air.

Another one is the fact that, it needs a device to operate and its a can't afford to some individuals. This is why, bitcoin remains a complementary currency to our everyday fiat. It ain't here to replace but, complete.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

This is absolutely true. I think it's convenient to say Anarchy is the biggest enemy of bitcoin, i faced a pretty similar issue in India as well. But i think this is there with almost every modern invention. Like if there is no electricity even note printing isn't possible so in case of complete anarchy that would be affected as well. It's not a limitation of bitcoin but yes it's a basic requirement for using bitcoin.

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I think about this sometimes. im under the impression that the blockchain doesn't require that much bandwidth. so something like a mesh network could be useful?

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

It's too bad if the government turns off all internet services and I think it will impact all service access.
However, a country needs other countries as part of communication and interaction in building cooperation.
If they turn off the internet only for the purpose of stopping access to Bitcoin, what about other effects that will be worse for all sectors such as health which is far more important.

The health laboratory will not work.
The Intensive Care Unit (ICU), which is a place or room to serve patients with severe illness, cannot function and almost all health sectors cannot provide services.

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If a government is completely blocking internet and still the user is trying to access it with the help of such connections might be the reason of legal action against the user.

If a government is completely blocking the internet in order to suppress and control its population, then I would haven no issues attempting to bypass those restrictions and fight for my freedom, including the financial freedom that bitcoin brings.

Quote from: FatFork on May 12, 2023, 06:42:46 AM

Any internet blackout would likely simply prevent access to the outside world, like China or North Korea already do to various degrees. Systems like national banking or emergency response could easily continue to run.

If you're referring to something like China's Great Firewall, then it's more like censorship rather than a complete blackout. In such a case, I agree with you that I would also use all available methods to fight it, and I believe many people in those countries do the same. OK, I'm not so sure about North Korea since I don't know the situation there or how people feel about it. Wink

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Lack of internet connection is definitely a problem that poses itself against the Massive adoption of bitcoin. But in my opinion, and I say this with pure constructive feedback in my mind, this isn’t supposed to be bitcoin’s fucking problem. The problem’s on your country’s end, with all these strict laws and ordinances that disallows you from even being able to use bitcoin or the internet for that matter.

Plus besides, just like what other people have said prior to this comment, there are multitudes of ways people can use bitcoin without the use of internet. Although those primarily only involve the storage of bitcoin and not the transaction part of the equation but you get my point. If there’s a will there’s a way, and it’s not crypto’s limitation to be over-reliant to the internet but it’s feature. It offers connectivityx internet is the best way it could offer the connectivity it advertises, that checks out.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on May 12, 2023, 02:29:07 AM

This is not the problem of bitcoin, but the problem with your government that disabled internet in your country. You can use Starlink instead of relying on local service providers.

Quote from: https://pakobserver.net/elon-musks-starlink-finally-registered-in-pakistan-to-roll-out-internet-services/#:~:text=Elon%20Musk's%20Starlink%20finally%20registered%20in%20Pakistan%20to%20roll%20out%20internet%20services,-By&text=ISLAMABAD%20%E2%80%93%20Elon%20Musk's%20famous%20satellite,provide%20internet%20services%20in%20Pakistan.

Elon Musk's Starlink finally registered in Pakistan to roll out internet services. ISLAMABAD – Elon Musk's famous satellite broadband provider Starlink has reportedly registered to operate and provide internet services in Pakistan.

You are greatly mistaken if you think that a government shutting down the Internet will allow its users to use Starlink. Such governments will immediately outlaw Starlink, and the citizens who use it will be held accountable under the law, which will be quickly changed or passed if necessary.

Starlink can register to provide its services even in Antarctica. The final decision will always be made by the local government.

Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

That is why, alternative directions for using bitcoin should be developed. It will also be useful for those areas where the use of the Internet is difficult or non-existent.

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I think it is not necessarily a limitation of the cryptocurrency itself. Bitcoin relies on internet connectivity to allow users to send and receive transactions, as well as to verify the authenticity of those transactions through a blockchain. However, there are several ways in which Bitcoin can still be used even in the absence of a reliable internet connection. For example, it is possible to use a satellite based connction to broadcast transactions to the Bitcoin network, or to use mesh networking technology to connect to other Bitcoin nodes without relying on traditional internet infastracture.

While the internet is an important aspect of using Bitcoin, it is not necessarily a limitation of the cryptocurrency itself, and there are ways in which Bitocoin can still be used even in the absence of reliable internet connectivity.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

Just to let you know that bitcoin can be broadcasted through radio frequency as well. There are multiple experiments done on that you can find them in Google. Some YouTube videos are available as well. I will not share a specific link because I dont want to promote a specific experiment. But you can do your own research.

So internet is definitely a limitation but there are other ways to send bitcoin transactions. They are more expensive but seems to be working.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on May 12, 2023, 02:29:07 AM

This is not the problem of bitcoin, but the problem with your government that disabled internet in your country. You can use Starlink instead of relying on local service providers.

Quote from: https://pakobserver.net/elon-musks-starlink-finally-registered-in-pakistan-to-roll-out-internet-services/#:~:text=Elon%20Musk's%20Starlink%20finally%20registered%20in%20Pakistan%20to%20roll%20out%20internet%20services,-By&text=ISLAMABAD%20%E2%80%93%20Elon%20Musk's%20famous%20satellite,provide%20internet%20services%20in%20Pakistan.

Elon Musk's Starlink finally registered in Pakistan to roll out internet services. ISLAMABAD – Elon Musk's famous satellite broadband provider Starlink has reportedly registered to operate and provide internet services in Pakistan.

Imagine you planning to accumulate some Bitcoin and the government of your country decide to shut down the internet how will an average person buy starlink? You called Starlink as if it's something you can buy with 100$, that thing is hell of a headache and I will advice anyone reading this right now to look into the disadvantages of Starlink, shocking? The disadvantages are why I won't be using StarLink any time soon.

OP the problem is your government, not Bitcoin, it's true that you can't send Bitcoin out to another address if you have no internet connection but Bitcoin was build to work with the internet, try been appreciative because not all technologies are as good as Bitcoin and Blockchain.

Maybe we will see some crypto blockchain that works offline for sending and receiving in the future, but for now, it's not available, mind you, if you see any it's probably a scam, don't go around looking for a crypto project that works without internet connection.

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Quote from: FatFork on May 12, 2023, 06:42:46 AM

Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 04:19:51 AM

The point is in case of Internet blackout we have no access to bitcoin.

Well, if there's a total internet blackout, I think you'll have bigger things to worry about than not being able to access your Bitcoin.

Internet access is the basic access of human rights. Without it, there will be no 'information'. I do agree there is a bigger thing to worry about and be concerned about rather than things like Bitcoin. I did not mean to discredit Bitcoin, but if basic things like information access are limited and prevented, it has more urgency to be addressed and in regard to shifting the blame to bitcoin, it is rather not on point.

Others have given solutions about 'off-grid' solution to send bitcoin transactions, but in essence, it is not a bitcoin limitation since it is just how it works.

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Not everything has to be involve to Bitcoin. I think it's a government issue that has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Although the internet is required to manage bitcoins.The country you live in may have government-run internet services down.But you can use other internet services. A country's government will never shut down all the internet in their country, because today it is impossible to do anything without the internet. Maybe there is some error in the government internet due to which the internet service is down now.I don't think it's permanently closed, maybe temporarily.Hope the government will solve this problem soon.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

Part of the solution to this is to have bitcoins existing in physical form or in form of cash. And you could have some sort authorized organization, more like Central Bank, printing out different denominations of bitcoins on papers or any reliable material for buying things without the internet.
The paper or material will have Bitcoin private keys sealed on it. Once the seal is scratched off the paper will nolonger be in circulation.
To check for counterfeits or fakes just sms some code from the papers to the printing organization.

The fluctuations of Bitcoin price shouldn't affect this too much. If you buy 0.0003 paper sats to buy some food stuff for example and the price of Bitcoin goes up, you will be be given change in Bitcoin or fiat by the food stuff seller.

People are free to try this in their countries.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on May 12, 2023, 09:26:18 AM

Isn't something that your freedom to use internet? For sure the government announced something regarding to the down of internet services, but if it was permanent and not temporary then I definitely not let it slide since there's a lot of people in a country that are relying on the internet like home-based jobs, communication via internet and also the crypto industry. I couldn't even imagine a world that there's no internet since my money sources are from online. If that's the case you could try the recommendation above mentioned about satellite but it's my first time hearing about it.

I hope that the problem with the Internet is temporary. Read the news: in Pakistan, the government shut down the internet indefinitely due to popular unrest. https://technoblender.com/pakistan-internet-restrictions-could-be-indefinite/
Innocent people are forced to accept government decisions. I don't think the lack of internet will last long.

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I wouldn't have known about the Pakistan situation without this thread, so thank you for sharing. Restricting Internet usage like this is such a serious measure, and not one commonly used to deal with protests (if that's the cause). I mean, I'd understand if there was a major disruption that naturally led to serious Internet connection issues (we had such things in Ukraine because of the war and blackouts related to the war), but that's something imposed, done on purpose...
I suppose under such conditions, Bitcoin being a digital currency is an issue (although there are workarounds, as o_e_l_e_o mentioned). But aren't there also bigger issues that come from such harsh Internet restrictions that make Bitcoin only a minor thing in comparison?

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

Internet is the foundation for a lot of services and it's well known that bitcoin doesn't work without internet, although certain attempts/workaround exist, from radio waves and SMS to use of "physical bitcoin" things (like OpenDime, Satodime and others) or what what already said (Starlink & others)

However, it's not something new that certain countries can and do prevent people from using bitcoin whether they do it intentionally (China) or maybe not necessarily intentionally (your case, I don't know the legal status there) and not necessarily unexpected. That doesn't make Bitcoin worse overall. It does make your government though Wink

But people tend to find their ways around. At least fixed internet may be necessary for modern banking system (and I mean here the actual banks). And if the government start filtering this and that, Tor, VPN are still ways to go around. They usually cannot stop all the possible ways.

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Isn't something that your freedom to use internet? For sure the government announced something regarding to the down of internet services, but if it was permanent and not temporary then I definitely not let it slide since there's a lot of people in a country that are relying on the internet like home-based jobs, communication via internet and also the crypto industry. I couldn't even imagine a world that there's no internet since my money sources are from online. If that's the case you could try the recommendation above mentioned about satellite but it's my first time hearing about it.

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To some level I would agree that Internet is a limitation for bitcoin but there are physical tokens that can store bitcoin in them that you can buy, you can use that to trade for fiat if you need it but in terms of trading, you might have a problem. Remember OP, mankind has survived this long because we always find a way.

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