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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

There are many great responses here detailing alternative routes you can take to still use and access Bitcoin, that is true. But, there are also comments here that are very cavalier in their responses as if loss of internet services across the country is not much of a problem and can be solved easily. As if it can be easily solved by protesting a strict regime, or bypassing access when there is political and military unrest in your country. Internet, if not easily accessible, will always be a limitation if it comes to availing and using cryptocurrency.

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Quote from: adzino on May 13, 2023, 11:21:25 AM

Yeah, that's an issue and a limitation to be honest. Nothing much we can do here until someone comes up with a new solution. Others are recommending using Starlink or other satellite equipment. But as far as I know, the government can also put a ban on own such devices if they want. Getting caught using those devices can end up putting you on the jail. The same with satellite phones. There are countries out there were using such phones are prohibited. They can put an overall ban in producing or importing those equipment...

The internet for me is the most attached limit on Bitcoin transactions or other internet -based, Elon Starlink also has provisions such as making payments in its services, to be honest I myself do not understand about roaming access like this that is outside the government in my country.
And after I read the government can take part in overseeing this service so that they are most likely to prohibit it and or kill it unilaterally. And yes the government can scan the network and coordinates of its use so that it will be very difficult to get security if we violate.

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Yeah, that's an issue and a limitation to be honest. Nothing much we can do here until someone comes up with a new solution. Others are recommending using Starlink or other satellite equipment. But as far as I know, the government can also put a ban on own such devices if they want. Getting caught using those devices can end up putting you on the jail. The same with satellite phones. There are countries out there were using such phones are prohibited. They can put an overall ban in producing or importing those equipment...

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As people said, that's not the Bitcoin problem. Without the internet, you are unable to do a lot of things, and Bitcoin is just one of them. There are a lot of ways to do something about it, but I wasn't in your position so I can't give you any advice. I just hope everything will be better for you someday.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

but why? why would they suspend cellular internet service?

Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I don't think they will do it, that is if they know how important the Internet is for the economy. if they did shut down the Internet service in your country, they will just cripple your country's economy.

Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

there are ways that you can send BTC without the internet but from what I have read, it is impractical, so I still agree that it is one of the limitations of Bitcoin.

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Bitcoin can be sent through radio waves as I read an article on that, maybe people in your country can try using that when it gets available but for the main time just stay calm while things return to normal because I believe it'll. You can also look for alternative Internet providers.

I have never heard of this, how could it work? Bitcoin was created based on the internet, so I don't believe we can use bitcoin without the internet, that sounds very absurd.

there are articles made about it, you can search on it google if you want to get more info, in fact, radio waves aren't the only way to do it.

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Quote from: irhact on May 13, 2023, 12:44:28 AM

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Bitcoin can be sent through radio waves as I read an article on that, maybe people in your country can try using that when it gets available but for the main time just stay calm while things return to normal because I believe it'll. You can also look for alternative Internet providers.

I have never heard of this, how could it work? Bitcoin was created based on the internet, so I don't believe we can use bitcoin without the internet, that sounds very absurd. As far as I know, what is going on in Pakistan is political, so all internet providers are subject to government orders, so you have no way of finding an alternative provider, nobody wants the government to punish them.

Everything will be back to normal soon because they can't cut the internet for a long time, which will cause a lot of problems in this modern society. But this shows that, if the government wants to, they still have many ways to limit and prevent bitcoin.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

It is true that bitcoin needs the internet in order to be used at all, but is it really such a great limitation? Maybe if this was the early nineties I would agree, but the internet is only getting faster, more readily available and it is becoming one of the keys for the success of any modern society.

And even if governments can shutdown the internet to stop bitcoin, would they dare? This will affect the economy of their countries in a major way, and at the end it would not solve anything, because as soon as they activated the internet again then bitcoin will work again as if nothing happened.

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Mainly due to political unrest, internet services are currently down in Pakistan. The PTA has decided to shut down internet services to avoid unrest in the country over the issue of Imran Khan's arrest. A news where it is said that the country is losing about 83 crore rupees every day due to one day internet service shutdown. Pakistan government may consider these things. Maybe this temporary problem in your country will go away very soon.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.
If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

It's so sad to see that the governments are still preventing their citizens from use of essential things like the internet, but the internet can't be shutdown globally since the whole world depends on the internet for our day to day activities. If the internet get blocked then we'll be returning to the stone age since this generation can't cope without the internet.

Bitcoin can be sent through radio waves as I read an article on that, maybe people in your country can try using that when it gets available but for the main time just stay calm while things return to normal because I believe it'll. You can also look for alternative Internet providers.

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I don't know much about this issue and I'm only speaking according to what I know.

In my opinion, the absence of the internet will disrupt transactions or invest in BTC, because without the internet, it will be difficult for us to buy and sell BTC.
I think in this case we have to make a wise decision and in this case you are the one doing it so I think you have to do your own research or like other friends suggest it for you, so you can make transactions using BTC etc.
honestly without the internet we will not be able to transact using btc.

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Your government is the limit in using bitcoin because the government will carry out all regulations regarding anything. If the government doesn't approve, they will easily do it, including shutting down the internet in your country.

If other countries don't shut down their internet, bitcoin will still run. And if in one country many businesses must be connected to the internet, there will surely be massive demonstrations if the government is not wise in managing all the regulations.

But in this technological era, the government will not simply turn off the internet because the internet has become necessary for many people and businesses. If the government didn't pay attention to this, they would be met with rejection from many people.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

While that's true that it's one of the challenges of one bitcoin investor should face and that's having no internet connection. Although it is an isolated problem for some countries where connectivity is being cut and controlled by the government, given the situation that you're allowed to look for some alternatives then there's one that's being suggested and that's through Starlink. I'm just not sure if Starlink's service is supported and it has to go through Pakistan's customs and it will be on them if they'll allow it to enter and receive the shipment from SL. And that's the solution in times like this that you've really said a challenge that bitcoin will face maybe somehow in the future from other nations but not today.
A satellite connection is and it's just a matter of time until most of the countries will have their own satellite services like they'll be merchanting SL's service but with a margin through them, if they're strict as Pakistan.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on May 12, 2023, 02:29:07 AM

This is not the problem of bitcoin, but the problem with your government that disabled internet in your country. You can use Starlink instead of relying on local service providers.

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Elon Musk's Starlink finally registered in Pakistan to roll out internet services. ISLAMABAD – Elon Musk's famous satellite broadband provider Starlink has reportedly registered to operate and provide internet services in Pakistan.

Agreed, actually, the internet is not the problem when the government of every country takes away the internet, any cryptocurrency or bitcoin is useless. But it is impossible to happen in this era.

The Starlink is good because here in our country we have it, so only a few of us have it here. But my acquaintance who bought it said that even if you bought it, it has a strong network and the Mbps is also high even in the mountains, as long as there is a satellite. just for now.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on May 12, 2023, 02:29:07 AM

This is not the problem of bitcoin, but the problem with your government that disabled internet in your country. You can use Starlink instead of relying on local service providers.

Quote from: https://pakobserver.net/elon-musks-starlink-finally-registered-in-pakistan-to-roll-out-internet-services/#:~:text=Elon%20Musk's%20Starlink%20finally%20registered%20in%20Pakistan%20to%20roll%20out%20internet%20services,-By&text=ISLAMABAD%20%E2%80%93%20Elon%20Musk's%20famous%20satellite,provide%20internet%20services%20in%20Pakistan.

Elon Musk's Starlink finally registered in Pakistan to roll out internet services. ISLAMABAD – Elon Musk's famous satellite broadband provider Starlink has reportedly registered to operate and provide internet services in Pakistan.

But it still has something to do with accessibility to transact in this technology which I think, limiting its usage, so technically OP is correct. Another limitation is government adoption of this industry as a mode of payment on different transactions which is still a problem up until this point. Given these circumstances, should we be hopeless? If we would be optimistic, things still has aid in the future. There are still countries who allows cryptocurrency usage, and that is something already to consider for a bright future in this industry.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

i do not sure that shut down all internet service will be a solution because it will affect all the internet user in certain area. People in the country will not have any access to the internet then some chaos will occur.

Not chaos but problem. However, it won't be a solution indeed given how dependent technology at the present is, on internet connection. We could see this on the advancement of appliances perhaps wherein most of the new release have the "smart" function which requires internet connectivity, so what more of other technologies existing.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

Don't worry for nothing. The government will not shutdown the internet. If they do, it is good as killing their own economy.

Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

Bitcoin can be presented in physical form by printing private keys holding the coins. It can function as either coins or paper money and it can also be handed physically just like money. The issue is that anyone who knows the private key can retrieve it rendering the physical hands-out to have 0 value. So Bitcoin transfer is not limited to the internet only it can be handed out physically assuming that the people have no intention of sweeping the coins on that physical coin/paper.

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Yes, you are right, one of the limitations of using Bitcoin is the need to access the internet. Without internet access, it is impossible to use Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. However, it should be noted that this also applies to many other online services and systems such as email, online banking, social networks and others.
In the event that the Internet service is disabled in your country, unfortunately, the use of Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency will not be possible. However, if internet access is restored, you will be able to continue using Bitcoin.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

shutting down all internet services will be a serious problem to the bitcoin because it will affect not only all the bitcoin users but also all internet users in certain areas. There is no way to access bitcoin network if we do not have internet connection. People in the country will not have any access to the internet then some chaos will occurs, especially for use of bitcoin. bitcoin users can not make a transaction.

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I think it's a problem in your country. Which could be fixed. But if this is to happen worldwide, then that's a concern. Power or internet outage all over the world will make anything related to the internet totally useless. And that includes Bitcoin too. But this kind of scenario is quite impossible to happen in any time. People will always find a way to use it or make alternative options for it.
I saw a post last year, where you can send BTC using text message from remote area where internet is not available/usable for bitcoin transactions. So yeah. It is a problem, but it is fixable. People will always find a way.

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If you don't have internet, you can't use this forum (Wait, how did OP..!), you can't use PayPal, nor do your banking online anyway... or any form of digital money.

As posted above, there are workarounds to find access to Bitcoin, but those wouldn't work for PayPal or other, so really, this is a limitation of digital technology, not Bitcoin.

Cash is king for Pakistan, anyway. It was 15 years ago, pretty sure outside urban PK, still the case.

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Practically speaking, in situations where both mobile data and fixed/home internet are disrupted or severely limited, the ability to use Bitcoin or any online financial service is severely affected. So it becomes difficult to initiate and broadcast transactions, access online wallets, or interact with the Bitcoin network. However, there are methods to broadcast transactions without relying on individual nodes, such as using specific websites or services, but these options often require a degree of understanding and caution. certain techniques, as they involve sharing sensitive transaction details with third parties.

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