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Quote from: SamReomo on May 12, 2023, 06:26:24 AM

If a government is completely blocking internet and still the user is trying to access it with the help of such connections might be the reason of legal action against the user.

If a government is completely blocking the internet in order to suppress and control its population, then I would haven no issues attempting to bypass those restrictions and fight for my freedom, including the financial freedom that bitcoin brings.

Quote from: FatFork on May 12, 2023, 06:42:46 AM

In such a scenario, people would likely turn to alternative means of communication and transactions, such as using cash (in many countries, card payments on POS systems and ATMs may also be affected). Plus, a widespread internet blackout can have far-reaching consequences beyond personal finances and communication. It can potentially disrupt essential services such as emergency response systems, transportation, and logistics, making it difficult for people to access medical care, food, and other essentials.

Any internet blackout would likely simply prevent access to the outside world, like China or North Korea already do to various degrees. Systems like national banking or emergency response could easily continue to run.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 04:19:51 AM

The point is in case of Internet blackout we have no access to bitcoin.

Well, if there's a total internet blackout, I think you'll have bigger things to worry about than not being able to access your Bitcoin.

Basically, every form of internet communication will be disabled, including email, web, online banking, social media, and even communication apps like WhatsApp and many other services. In such a scenario, people would likely turn to alternative means of communication and transactions, such as using cash (in many countries, card payments on POS systems and ATMs may also be affected). Plus, a widespread internet blackout can have far-reaching consequences beyond personal finances and communication. It can potentially disrupt essential services such as emergency response systems, transportation, and logistics, making it difficult for people to access medical care, food, and other essentials. We rely so much on the internet for everything these days, so it's a pretty scary scenario to think about in the modern world.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 06:23:45 AM

A very useful info in the homepage of Blockstream Satellite

"Internet Not Required
Blockstream Satellite broadcasts the Bitcoin blockchain to the entire planet via satellite, reducing Bitcoin’s dependency on internet access. Everyone in the world now has an opportunity to use Bitcoin."

That's like saying private jets reduce the world's dependence on bicycles.

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Quote from: ormatr on May 12, 2023, 01:48:22 AM

I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If the cellular data is disabled then that might be suspended intentionally. However, in such cases it is always preferable to use secondary connection in the form of Broadband, or Fibre optics as they most likely won't be affected in such situations. It's always a better choice to have access to internet via multiple routes just relying on cellular data is not a reliable thing.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 12, 2023, 04:49:27 AM

Wow man! The information is really amazing! But it's very technical for someone to get access to such internet connection. I also think that such connections might be illegal and could cause problems for the user. If a government is completely blocking internet and still the user is trying to access it with the help of such connections might be the reason of legal action against the user.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 12, 2023, 04:49:27 AM

There are alternative options, although they will take a bit of time and effort in order to set up and use.

The easiest way to stay synced with the network without an internet connection is via Blockstream Satellite. It is possible to repurpose any old satellite dish in order to do this.

In order to broadcast a transaction, you need to get it to someone with an internet connection. This might be someone who has bypassed government restrictions, or maybe someone who lives near a border and can use the connection of another country, or someone outside your country altogether. You can get it to them via a mesh network such as goTenna, via SMS, via radio, or any other way you like.

Thanks for sharing this useful info.
Situation is getting better now and hopefully today or by tomorrow internet facility will be restored.
But Blockstream Satellite is useful thing that can help you in case of situation which Bitcoiners are facing in Pakistan.
A very useful info in the homepage of Blockstream Satellite

"Internet Not Required
Blockstream Satellite broadcasts the Bitcoin blockchain to the entire planet via satellite, reducing Bitcoin’s dependency on internet access. Everyone in the world now has an opportunity to use Bitcoin."

So there is some solution to access Bitcoin without internet.

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From the news reports at the moment it's all cellular data being off in the country and some home / fixed internet.
Others are saying it's a total blackout others are saying it's not that bad.

Eliminating everything else from the picture, it's not like this was not a known thing. You will always need some form of internet to get a tx in or out.
There are ways / sites that you can broadcast a transaction that you created without needing a node. You just really need an understanding of what you are doing. It's not a simple click -> send. But, if you do not have internet, you don't have banking either so it all comes back to that.

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There are alternative options, although they will take a bit of time and effort in order to set up and use.

The easiest way to stay synced with the network without an internet connection is via Blockstream Satellite. It is possible to repurpose any old satellite dish in order to do this.

In order to broadcast a transaction, you need to get it to someone with an internet connection. This might be someone who has bypassed government restrictions, or maybe someone who lives near a border and can use the connection of another country, or someone outside your country altogether. You can get it to them via a mesh network such as goTenna, via SMS, via radio, or any other way you like.

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My question to you is only government internet services are off in your country or all internet services are off? Shutting down the entire internet system will cut off a country from the modern world.
At present, no work can be done without internet. I hope that the entire internet service has not been stopped in your country, only the internet services operated by the government have been stopped. You can use other Internet services if the government-run Internet services are stopped.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on May 12, 2023, 02:29:07 AM

This is not the problem of bitcoin, but the problem with your government that disabled internet in your country. You can use Starlink instead of relying on local service providers.

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Elon Musk's Starlink finally registered in Pakistan to roll out internet services. ISLAMABAD – Elon Musk's famous satellite broadband provider Starlink has reportedly registered to operate and provide internet services in Pakistan.

This service is still not started in Pakistan they just got registered.
The point is in case of Internet blackout we have no access to bitcoin.

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This is not the problem of bitcoin, but the problem with your government that disabled internet in your country. You can use Starlink instead of relying on local service providers.

Quote from: https://pakobserver.net/elon-musks-starlink-finally-registered-in-pakistan-to-roll-out-internet-services/#:~:text=Elon%20Musk's%20Starlink%20finally%20registered%20in%20Pakistan%20to%20roll%20out%20internet%20services,-By&text=ISLAMABAD%20%E2%80%93%20Elon%20Musk's%20famous%20satellite,provide%20internet%20services%20in%20Pakistan.

Elon Musk's Starlink finally registered in Pakistan to roll out internet services. ISLAMABAD – Elon Musk's famous satellite broadband provider Starlink has reportedly registered to operate and provide internet services in Pakistan.

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I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.

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