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This coin fraud. Developers have huge premine which they sell at the exchanges. Just look at the block an explorer

You steer clear of them, everything that they tell here - it is a lie.



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!sneak peek of upcoming development
 

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Fermat Distributed Governance Model

Fermat aims to develop a distributed governance model. The most advanced of its kind today is the one implemented by the anonymous cryptocurrency DASH. Fermat’s governance model takes DASH as a starting idea with several new additions and changes, customized to meet Fermat’s goals of decentralization.

We identified three different actors in our governance system:
Contributors: Can be any individual or entity in general willing to provide a service to the project as a contractor. This service could be related to software development but not restricted to it. Marketing, business development or any other valuable activity may be carried out by contributors.
Voters: Any token holder has the right to vote using their tokens as voting power. We believe that decisions regarding a project like Fermat should not be in the hands of only geeks, but should be decided by the community as a whole.
Blockchain: The blockchain is the entity recording immutable data and minting new tokens. We need both of these properties for our governance system.

From the software perspective 5 components are needed for such a governance system. These components are:
- Mobile App for Contributors: This is a reference app that allows contributors to create and manage Contribution Contracts. Anyone may propose a project, which is then accepted or declined by the community. These contribution contracts detail the services contributors expect to provide if the terms and conditions are accepted by the community.
- Mobile App for Voters: This is a reference app that allows community members to vote for the Contribution Contracts they support.
- Web Forum for Discussion: At a public web forum Contribution Contracts details are discussed both by contributors and community members, which assists everyone’s formation of opinion.
- IoP Token Server: The token servers and its blockchain are used as an immutable database to record both Contribution Contracts and Votes casted by community members.
- IoP Minting Server: Projects which are supported by the community are funded by the blockchain, which automatically allocates a portion of all newly minted tokens towards the contributors responsible for the execution of these projects.

So the process is very straight forward:
- Contributor Creates a Contribution Contract: The contributor’s app allows end users to create a new Contribution Contract. The contract is recorded on the blockchain and a new thread is created on the web forum by the app, starting the discussion about the proposed project.
- Contract is Discussed at the Forum: The voter’s app detects the new Contribution Contract on the blockchain and alerts voters accordingly. Voters can read the forum discussion with their app and interact with the rest of the community, evaluating the proposed contact.
- Community Votes YES or NO: Using the same app, voters can cast their vote for YES or NO to individual CCs. They can also abstain from voting if they don’t want to. These votes are recorded on the blockchain as IoP token transactions with special characteristics. No information of who casted each vote is required.
- Minting Server pays Beneficiaries: Some part of the Contribution Contract information recorded at the blockchain contains a list of beneficiaries to be paid (IoP address and amount). The Minting Server issues new tokens and pays these beneficiaries when all conditions are met.

Once the basic scheme is laid out, we need to solve a long list of problems we might face. The first one is how to prevent Contribution Contracts being used as spam, and dispersing the attention of the community into too many contracts to review. The solutions to this problem are straightforward:
- Contribution Contract Collateral [CCC]: We just need to require a Contribution Contract Collateral to be deposited at the contributor’s account during the review process, the voting process and the execution of the contract itself. Removing this collateral immediately invalidates the contract and all software components will just ignore it. Holding the collateral is automatically done by the contributor’s app.
- Contribution Contract Minimum Mining Fee [CCMMF]: A minimum mining fee for the contract transaction at the blockchain is required to prevent spam even from invested contributors.
Both requirements, the CCC and the CCMMF have an initial default value that is later re-calculated by a process similar to the one that recalculates the network difficulty in PoW mining. The initial value for CCC is established at 1,000 IoPs, while the initial value for CCMMF is set to 1 IoP.

Even with the requisite of a collateral the system might grow to manage multitudes of valid Contribution Contracts at the same time.
- Contribution Contract Categories: The first criteria to manage this at the voter’s app is to allow the contributor to categorize the contracts. In this way voters can browse independent categories and help them filter out the contracts on domains they are not experts in.
- Mining Fee as Sort Order: The second criteria is establishing a sort order by a mining fee paid by the contributor when recording the CC at the blockchain. This allows contributors to invest in their contract as much as they wish. The more they invest the higher their contract will appear in the list of proposals at voter’s app.

If voting would be for free, then a lot of non expert people would be casting their votes regardless of the consequences of their ignorance. To avoid that we need to impose a Voting Fee [VF] implemented as a blockchain mining fee. This Voting Fee is a % of the tokens used to vote. The initial value is 1% and later this value is re-calculated by the same process that recalculates the CCC and CCMMF to adjust it to the system real life usage.

As voting is pseudonymous we expect contributors to vote for themselves, saving money to other community members. This carries a significant problem to be solved: how do we prevent contributors to always approve their contracts in the situation where these contributors are at the same time large token holders.
We found a solution in the concept of Voting Power. Voters don’t vote with tokens, but with Voting Power.
Consider the following rules:
- Yes Voting Power: Each token can be converted to 1 YES vote.
- No Voting Power: Each token can be converted to 5 NO votes.
This means that for example, if a CC is voted YES with 100 IoP tokens, it is considered to have 100 YES votes. Anyone holding 20 IoPs can vote NO and cast 100 NO votes preventing the contract to be executed.
When the system starts, the biggest token holders might not be stopped by this measure, since the token concentration is high among funders and early contributors. This situation just maps the reality of the project before the voting system is in place, since funders decide on the fate of the project at this early stage anyways. But as time goes by, with a highly decentralized mining scheme as the one envisioned by Fermat, tokens are spread among a wide community. At a certain point in time there will be no single token holder having enough leverage to prevent their contracts to be vetoed by the rest of the community using No Voting Power.

Reviewing a Contribution Contract for approval takes time and effort. Reviewing the work done could be even more time consuming. If contributors are to be paid at a pre-defined date, there might not be enough time to verify that they fulfilled their part of the contract. To deal with this, we have come up with these countermeasures:
- Deliverable List: This is a simple list of URLs to web resources like documents, presentations, videos, websites or whatever is expected to be a deliverable of the contract. This list is very useful for community members to verify the work is being done and in a timely manner (the list also includes the deadline for each deliverable).
- Anytime YES vote Removal: To complement the deliverable list, we need to allow any YES vote to withdraw their support of the contract at anytime. This can mean that the contribution contract might never be executed or that its execution can be halted at anytime and payments stopped.
- Anytime NO Voting Possible: This is a tool for any community member to vote against a contract that is not delivering what it promised.
For these mechanism to really work, we need to separate ourselves from the idea that the contract is going to be paid on a specific date and think about the contract being paid during a period of time, expressed on blockchain block terms with a starting block, an ending block and an amount to be paid at each block of the range. This enables us to halt the execution of the contract once the community detects that the promised deliverables are not there at the promised time, but also in many cases the community can track the progress of these deliverables in real time (think of a web site being built, or an analysis document being produced, or a software implemented) and halt the execution of the whole contract if they perceive the contributor is not doing a good job and will not be able to fulfill his promises.

The issuing of IoP tokens for paying contribution contracts must be capped for several reasons:
- Preventing Abuses: Since both contributors and voters are pseudonyms, we need to avoid attack vectors where a contributor votes for his own proposal and very quickly the blockchain issues any amount of tokens. Since the tokens to be issued are capped at 1 token per block for all approved contribution contracts, that prevents this situation to happen. A secondary measure is that CC need a certain amount of blocks to mature and be considered valid. In this way it is not possible to immediately execute a CC that was just created. Time is needed to allow community review and voting.
- Having a Predictable Token Inflation: The economic system of IoP tokens works better when the supply of new tokens is predictable. In our case we start with a 1 IoP maximum that can be issued at every block for Contribution Contract purposes. So the issuance is in the range of [0..1] IoPs plus 1 IoP for miners. (All this is early stage where no halving has yet occurred). This might not be enough if the token price is too low, or might be too much if the price is too high. We will need real life data to fine tune this or do further research with appropriate simulations.

This was an overview of the Fermat Distributed Governance system that allows the project’s community to decide about the direction of the project and who to hire for the human work necessary. There are many more lower level problems to be solved not described here. A more detailed and technical information on this subject can be found at the Contribution Contracts section of the IoP Software Specification Document. The project’s roadmap expects this governance system to be released by December 2016. We expect this system to work well and scale during an early phase of the project. With experience and data collected from real life usage, it will be possible to identify further problems to be solved and addressed with appropriate counter-measures. We do like the concepts of voting delegation and liquid democracy but only as a solution of specific problems that today, because of such an early stage, we don’t have.
Thanks to Amadeo Charlé for the editing.

Source: https://medium.com/@luisfernandomolina/fermat-distributed-governance-model-1d90538d1bbc#.la0h1aanq
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mining working smoothly so far that would be good profit and i believe if the price will be rising soon..you Guys the best way to get profit just Hold your IoP

Also confirmed here I got drunk yesterday never see I'll post on Bounty section Wink
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Obviously I would really recommend ICO Moving at the moment.
I have a little bit more to take away  Grin Cheesy
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Pls invite me into slack channel: [email protected]
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Where can I learn a mining of Fermat as I do not have much technnical knowledge.I have a simple AMD laptop.can I mine it on it?of course without burning my machine
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Any pool?
later
you can get license and start solo
difficulty is not so high
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Any pool?
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@btvGainer If your country is already taken it should be an email address provided to your local chapter president if you would like to consult what you can do to obtain a licence. If there is no email just check what spots are free in your country (secial media website ect) do some promotion for fermat and place a link with your job in correct place.

I just translated the OP to polish and posed in our national section https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iop-fermat-prezentuje-internet-of-people-app-token-1705223
Thanks for replying but I don't see any info regarding social media etc tasks.Anyway I will be contacting them through email. I thought they would be following this thread but this seems not the case
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Hello BitcoinTalk community,

After signing up more than 40 chapters worldwide, we are almost ready to start the project that will help us manage the influx of people / chapters / miners and scale it up. This new project is analized at this document:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOB3Xc5vHNKBNZJeosXGi0iNCxiD6rbFTvbF1uXfv10/edit#

You are free to check it out and express yourself with comments of even suggestions to the text.

The Chapter App that will be produced by this project will allow the Fermat community to self-manage their chapters, chapter members and licenses. Also it will remove the concept of administrator approving individual licenses, transforming it on a Peer-to-Peer Community.

While we build this infrastructure, we will continue with the Google Spreadsheet welcoming only Country Chapters from all over the world and US States. Once the Chapter APP is ready we will be able to manage any country states as well.

Looking fordward for your feedback!
Cheers!
Luis
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@btvGainer If your country is already taken it should be an email address provided to your local chapter president if you would like to consult what you can do to obtain a licence. If there is no email just check what spots are free in your country (secial media website ect) do some promotion for fermat and place a link with your job in correct place.

I just translated the OP to polish and posed in our national section https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iop-fermat-prezentuje-internet-of-people-app-token-1705223
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My  country is already taken how can I contact them to join my chapter and I to claim for stste chapter in advance?
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Interesting concept but it's still not really clear,  how you would secure the network with only one miner per country as example?

It is not one miner per country. This is just the current phase. Right now we are building this chapter network as the backbone of the mining network. Once we have a highly distributed backbone with engaged people, the mining will be open to anyone to participate anonymously. In that way bad actors will be outnumbered by chapter miners. I understand it is difficult to understand if you don't know the full plan.

To learn more about this plan I recommend you to read this:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOB3Xc5vHNKBNZJeosXGi0iNCxiD6rbFTvbF1uXfv10/edit#heading=h.ri2zjtfdb7g2

Yes true it confuses me a bit, seems different from other approaches.
Thanks i will have a look on these documents.
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!Info about Mining we are now at "window": 7, so what's new? difficulty doubled since last window and mining cap pro Licence went down to 72 IoP, also what almost doubled is that now there are currently 82 IoP addresses whitelisted for mining thats amazing Shocked more ppl are Joining every day. Like i already said It must be one of the most decentralized and Fairest mining system i ever saw, as you can see in our Spreadsheet we now have 40 Chapters from all over the world and everything is traceable on that sheet. It also Should be possible in spirit of Transparency to compare mining addresses to the ones in Spreadsheet and understand what i mean when i say decentralized and fair. Although Fermat Project has been worked on for past 2 years, we are still in very early stage of Fermat's IoP App Token and distribution.. You all are welcome to Join us and get your mining Licence now  Wink

*one more thing: as you can see in list of mining addresses some of you guys are mining full power leaving others behind. that's all fine but very soon you will reach mining cap and be left waiting for new window to start to be able to mine again. Now the thing is not only you will be wasting hash power soon but you will make it for others more difficult to mine since difficulty will rise again,also you are risking on getting your Licence blocked automatically from the network and we dont know what happens on new window. so to keep diff in current levels or even low it down a bit i would like to give you all a hint. . Ideal mining Setup pro Licence is 4cpu threads Wink not more not less. It's fair for newcomers too, so let us keep the Fermat Spirit alive, and enjoy Mining!!  Cool



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legendary
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Hello,I haven't received my translation bounty yet.I have sent you my IoP address 2 days back.
I put a lots of efforts and time to translate as I dont do Google translation.
I need good amount of time to translate whitepaper as it is very length document.
Timely payment will make me start working on it early
hi, 5 IoP was sent yesterday. Check you address again..
http://explorer.fermat.community/tx/7482e6e794eb59495d940a523f44de231b5d6c9aa62d503289068804852b513b
Thanks I got it Smiley Will now work on whitepaper translation
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We know our future, because we are building it!
I see banners for many other countries but not USA on GitHub. Will this be added soon? I would like my twitter and facebook to look as nice.
Thanks

Many united States are a big chapter you like to rock ;-)

You can claim a Chapter in your state! We are putting all USA into the github repo. Once you sign up with a state chapter you can leave a comment in the mining / chapter sheet and we will make you one .-)
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I see banners for many other countries but not USA on GitHub. Will this be added soon? I would like my twitter and facebook to look as nice.
Thanks
legendary
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Hello,I haven't received my translation bounty yet.I have sent you my IoP address 2 days back.
I put a lots of efforts and time to translate as I dont do Google translation.
I need good amount of time to translate whitepaper as it is very length document.
Timely payment will make me start working on it early
hi, 5 IoP was sent yesterday. Check you address again..
http://explorer.fermat.community/tx/7482e6e794eb59495d940a523f44de231b5d6c9aa62d503289068804852b513b
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!Appeal to all IoP holders a lot has happened since IoP App Token got released, we have 35+ Chapters that joined our venture from all over the world. 50+ Miners, 10+ translations of OP, 10+ reposts of OP to crypto related boards outside bitcointalk and the most fairest mining systems ever invented. Some of you joined just to reserve mining spots, some of you joined after seeing potential but still not clear what! you know, that feeling when something tells you this could be it Smiley. Its understandable in this early stage that a lot of things are unclear and confusing but one thing i can assure you of is that IoP is more than just mining. your precious IoP that you earn today are meant to be Hold for upcoming evolution of this project, keep in mind that your precious IoP will enable you to vote on our Self-Governing system where you and me decide who will get payed by Blockchain. For making a Proposal you will need to deposit 1000 IoP Wink and if majority Votes on your Proposal you get payed by Blockchain.

If you are lucky now to mine then you should be aware that when our POW gets upgraded to newly invented POW/POS hybrid, then you will need those precious IoP to continue mining/minting.

My Appeal on all you lucky IoP holders, don't let them go Cool they are precious.



Good early start seems like be a good project, but is there a white paper or something can explain me about fermat project with more detailed?
Your distribution techniques were being different and quite succeeded.

I wait for your reply.
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