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What is the market cap in IOP please ?

and available supply ?

there is nothing here...
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/internet-of-people/#markets
legendary
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Still not able to contact the India chapter.Anyone here from India chapter kindly contact me
newbie
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I've tried to promote this my miner friends but the complication of mining license made them turn down his offer,he thinks it limited is to those privilege ones something of a politics involve here,there were a lot of better coin to mine and usually dev's wants people to mine his coin,not the other way around.

The Licencing Scheme for mining is a way to prevent centralization as in bitcoin. Take a look at this:

https://medium.com/@luisfernandomolina/bitcoin-was-not-hacked-but-gamed-ab67020e0b74#.7zwrq1bv3

It is not about convinience for devs or about politics. If anybody can mine in any amount, you end up with all the mining in the hands of a few, instead spread across the users of the system as Satoshi expected.
legendary
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hero member
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Great!!

So quickly i think but cool , I Hope price will be better than c-cex..I wonder Chapter is full already ?
legendary
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I have a problem with mining. I still have signature and testnet node running,
but I didn't found a block for two days, with any of this license.
What is going on?
hi, for mining support best ask #help_support channel in slack

Solved.
Mining cap reached on both addresses, was the cause.
legendary
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I have a problem with mining. I still have signature and testnet node running,
but I didn't found a block for two days, with any of this license.
What is going on?
hi, for mining support best ask #help_support channel in slack
legendary
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I have a problem with mining. I still have signature and testnet node running,
but I didn't found a block for two days, with any of this license.
What is going on?
legendary
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IoP Tokens Analysis

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After having our IoP token blockchain running for a couple of months I took the time to do some very basic analysis of the actual data. This is what I discovered so far:
  • Block Rate: At this stage our target average block rate is 10 minutes, but reality differs from this target. During these first 78 days a block was mined every 7.26 minutes on average.
  • Tokens per Day: At this stage we are issuing 1 IoP token per block. At the target block rate that would mean 144 new IoP tokens per day, but since the real rate is 7.26 minutes per block, that means that we are issuing 198 IoP tokens per day.
  • Value Issued: Currently with an IoP token market price at around $3, we are issuing $595 per day, or $17,855 per month. Once we reach our initially targeted price of $12, the issuing would be at $2,381 per day, or $71,418 per month.
  • Value Distributed per Chapter:Currently the value distributed per chapter is extremely low. As of today we already have 55 chapters. It is an ideal period to hold the tokens mined in preparation for the next phase, where a PoS for chapters is introduced (we target March 2017 once the Chapter App is ready). Once we reach our desired price of $12 per token, the value distribution would be (with 55 chapters in mind) $1,300 per chapter per month. Still not too much but not bad either for a starting project.
Bootstrapping the Internet of People
The IoP System includes several components, most of them were already explained in this post. As one of those components is a blockchain, we need to prevent hard forks of the chain itself produced by.....

For more read the full Article by Luis on Medium.
legendary
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I read that to mine this coin you need a license for this and there are guidelines and requirements to mine Fermat,if for example I choose to run a dedicated facebook page to run about Fermat how can I submit my work,I don't know but there's something here that's worth a second look I'm still the potential of this coin.

1. look into the mining sheet and find your chapter.
2. look if there are spots open to claim (like facebook, twitter, meetups)
3. make a comment with your data (fb page, mining wallet address)

that's it!

If there is no chapter from your country, then you can claim the spot and be the first in your country and become chapter president. then you find people fill the spots and start building your Fermat Chapter biz.

Where can I find mining sheet?searched first two pages but didn't find anything
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BI2l4jPPmh0I2V2ePWLTgLJUpWPymdpQ1-E-qUEfpyQ/edit#gid=0
hero member
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I read that to mine this coin you need a license for this and there are guidelines and requirements to mine Fermat,if for example I choose to run a dedicated facebook page to run about Fermat how can I submit my work,I don't know but there's something here that's worth a second look I'm still the potential of this coin.

1. look into the mining sheet and find your chapter.
2. look if there are spots open to claim (like facebook, twitter, meetups)
3. make a comment with your data (fb page, mining wallet address)

that's it!

If there is no chapter from your country, then you can claim the spot and be the first in your country and become chapter president. then you find people fill the spots and start building your Fermat Chapter biz.

Where can I find mining sheet?searched first two pages but didn't find anything
legendary
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For better visibility, Luis presented IoP roadmap few days ago. enjoy

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Fermat Road-map
Fermat as a project has several dimensions. That means that our technical road-map is not linear, because it includes several paths at the same time. The first path started early 2015 with a prototype of the infrastructure that will run at end user devices. Another path started at the summer of 2016 with the implementation of Internet of People components.
Each component released is a catalyst for many things to happen. For example, the release of our token system enabled people to start mining, and after the concept of mining license and mining cap was developed, that enabled the formation of local chapters. The token system also enabled the governance system, and so on.
I describe here a summary of what has been done up to now and what is next at the core level. Expect on top of this road-map several secondary branches to appear.
The following is the time-line that includes both paths:

2014 — Q3, Q4 — Fermat Vision
The initial Fermat Vision was established. This vision was later refined with time, but its essence remained. By that time I was seeing how Satoshi’s invention was being abused by companies that started the shift from the concept of “be your own bank”, towards “let us be your crypto-bank”. The whole ecosystem started moving towards centralized wallets, centralized payment processors, centralized mining, and it has remained on that path until today.
The initial client-side architecture was designed. This involved a lot of innovations that we don’t talk about today since it is too early, like for example building apps with reusable components that produce a stream of micro-payments to their authors. The original Fermat white paper was conceived by this time. This will later become the foundation of Person to Person apps.

2015 — Q3, Q4 —Fermat SDK Architecture
The initial architecture was implemented. I wrote myself the very first implementation of this architecture, which has been since improved upon by dozens of developers and from my code there is probably not too much there anymore.
By this time the first angel investor round was closed and a programming competition was organized to select the best devs to work in the next phase.

2016 — Q1, Q2 — Person to Person Apps Prototypes Developed
We developed several person-to-person apps, including a bitcoin wallet, IoP wallet, apps for handling digital assets, apps for crypto brokers, etc. We did a wide range of apps to be sure that the conceived architecture was good enough to support any type of use case. Most of these apps were left working but the network infrastructure (what we call the Internet of People) was missing.
Once we release the basic components of the IoP by the end of 2016, we will come back to these apps and connect them to the IoP and release them to the public.

2016 — Q3 — IoP Token Blockchain.
In this quarter we implemented:
IoP Blockchain: This includes the v1 of the Token Server. Modeled on the bitcoin codebase, we inherit all of bitcoin’s benefits. We modified this codebase adding more rules for mining with the aim of preventing a centralization of mining. We introduced the Mining License concept together with the Mining Cap. These improvements allow for mining with regular PCs and enables complex structures to do the mining, like for example the Fermat Chapter Network.
Pre-Mining Distribution Software: This allowed us to distribute the pre-mined IoPs. During the first 2 years of the project IoPs were distributed to contributors and investors. Once the IoP blockchain was ready we needed a software to distribute these pre-mined tokens. This software was used both to distribute immediately available tokens and time-locked tokens as well.
IoP Android Wallet 0.5: For mobile users. We forked the most popular wallet and made it compatible with the IoP blockchain. We still need to come back to it and do some Fermat branding on it, and also upgrade it to be an IoP app (uploading profiles to IoP Profile Servers in order to allow users to find each other and automatically exchange addresses). A very interesting thing is that we shouldn’t do that upgrade only for our wallet. We could merge those changes back in the original bitcoin wallet, allowing all their user base to be on the IoP and solve an existing problem these wallet users have: the exchange of addresses via insecure means like instant messages or email. This is a very good candidate project anyone in the community can propose to be voted in January 2017. But the real beauty of IoP is that it can also be done in all other cryptocurrency wallets, turning all their user base into IoP users!
Mining Licensing Administration Tool: This is the software used by the the license administrator (Markus Maiwald) to grant and revoke licenses. This is a short term solution until the Chapter App is released at Q1 2017, which removes the administrator allowing chapters to self govern.

2016 — Q4 — IoP Servers and Nodes.
In this quarter we implemented:
IoP iPhone Wallet: For Apple users. This was forked from the most popular bitcoin wallet for iPhone. It is currently waiting for Apple approval. Everything said about the Android Wallet applies here too.
Profile Server v0.5: This is an original piece of software implemented from scratch by our developer team. This includes several features up to the integration with the LOC Network. This first release has enough features to start building IoP apps. What is missing at this release is the integration with the CAN Network and charging IoPs for hosting profiles. That means that while we wait for the v1.0 release profile hosting is for free! (That should also help creating a critical mass of users).
LOC Network v1.0: This allows the Profile and Proximity Servers to be geo-localized. This is also an original piece of software implemented from scratch by our developer team. All the expected functionality will be available at the first release.
CAN Network v1.0: This allows the Profile and Reputation Servers to index end user profiles and user reputation respectively. The IoP CAN Network is an extension of IPFS (Inter-planetary-file-system). IPFS was not designed to have client apps, they expected every user to run an IPFS node. We fixed that. Also IPFS doesn’t expect that the seeder of a content might not be the direct owner of the content, and that is our situation since Profile Servers are seeders but they don’t own the profile information themselves. We also fixed that. Finally IPFS had plans to implement an embedded naming system that would allow users to retrieve content information with an immutable key even if the content and it’s hash changes. We need this in order for client apps to remember the public key of a profile owner, enabling client apps to retrieve the profile even when the content itself, like a user’s profile picture for example, has changed. IPFS devs have been discussing this for some time but they haven’t implemented it yet, so we did it for them and offered this feature upstream to be included on IPFS itself.
Governance System: This includes a Contributors Android App, and a Voter’s Android App. The original idea of issuing tokens not only for miners but also for paying for contributions the project needs is credited to the DASH cryptocurrency team. They were the first to successfully implement this and now they enjoy a self-sustainable status as a project. We aim to get to self-sustainable status during 2017 and for that we need our own version of a governance system. We didn’t reuse their codebase, but implemented our own set of ideas from scratch. That includes two mobile apps: One for Contributors, where anyone can submit Contribution Contracts. The second one for Voters, allowing any token holder to vote which Contribution Contract should be paid by the blockchain. This is a major difference with DASH model, since they allow only node operators (usually geek guys) to vote what should be done or not.

2017 — Q1 — IoP Servers and Nodes.
In this quarter we will implement:
Profile Server v 1.0: This includes the integration with the CAN Network and SPV wallet. At this point the Profile Server has all its expected functionality.
STUN Server v 1.0: IoP STUN Servers are a fork of popular open source STUN Servers. Their function is to help two end user devices get connected to each other directly, bypassing firewalls that might be between them. We extend the original implementation to include the incentivisation layer, that allow these servers to get paid in IoPs for the services they provide.
TURN Server v 1.0: When STUN Servers are not enough to get two devices connected directly, TURN Servers must be used to establish a connection. Also here we extend the original implementation to include the incentivisation layer, that allow these servers to get paid in IoPs for the services they provide.
Latency Based Network v1.0: This network helps end users devices find the most appropriate TURN server when needed.
Chapter Network System: This includes an Android Chapter App that will allow us to scale our Chapter Network. This system will remove the figure of the administrator granting and revoking chapter mining licenses. At the same time the system will allow the current chapter network of around 50 chapters, to grow to tens of thousands (including all countries, all states within those countries and all cities within those states). The system includes a mobile Chapter App, that will enable chapters to self govern, self audit and manage their memberships, tasks and licenses in a decentralized way.
Fermat SDK v 1.0: First release of the Fermat SDK. This is the work done during 2015–2016 upgraded to be using the new components of the IoP. This infrastructure runs on end user devices and is the key for Person to Person apps.

2017 — Q2 — IoP Servers and Nodes.
In this quarter we will implement:
Proximity Server v1.0: The Proximity Server is a component we designed and we will build from scratch. This enables a set of use cases or apps that need to find users by proximity. For example a Taxi App needs to allow its users to find Taxi Drivers driving nearby them.
Reputation Server v1.0: This allows end users to submit reputation records of other end users they have a relationship with. People’s reputation is needed in a wide array of use cases and apps. Also in our example App of a Taxi System, end users need to know a Taxi Driver’s reputation in order to decide if they take a ride with them or not.

2017 — Q3 — IoP Servers and Nodes.
In this quarter we will implement:
Minting Server v1.0: This will allow us to manage the minting process properly. Minting new IoP token started in the same way as minting new bitcoins. But in order to keep our system secure and decentralized, we need to improve a lot in this area. Then we need to create a specialized server to deal with the minting and leave the Token Server with the task of processing transactions and record them at the blockchain.
Token Server v1.0: Specialized Token Server focused on transaction processing. The functionality to process transactions and securely store them at the blockchain will stay here. This will allow us to continue innovating in the Minting without affecting the network’s operations and stability. The PoW mining stays here for convenience and to keep avoiding centralization.
Unstructured Network Node v1.0: To be used by the Token & Minting Servers. At this point in time we will also separate the networking features of the bitcoin node used as starting code base into a new network node component that later can be reused by multiple servers.
Taxi Proof of Concept System: We already have all the infrastructure ready to develop the Taxi person-to-person apps, with zero transaction fees. These two mobile apps: the Taxi Passenger and the Taxi Driver apps, will use almost all the infrastructure built so far: Token Server, Profile Server, Proximity Server, Reputation Server, STUN and TURN Servers and the Fermat SDK. The system will be developed by Contributors submitting Contracts to the community and voted by the latter. The contributions will be paid by the issuing of newly minted IoP tokens. By the time of its release, we expect to have a strong Chapter Network to distribute it all over the globe. Later it will be used as a case study to build similar systems for other industries.

As you can see, we have a nice core road-map, full of technical challenges. The future looks bright and we believe we are on the right path.
Thanks to Amadeo Charlé for the editing.
legendary
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I've tried to promote this my miner friends but the complication of mining license made them turn down his offer,he thinks it limited is to those privilege ones something of a politics involve here,there were a lot of better coin to mine and usually dev's wants people to mine his coin,not the other way around.
legendary
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I was wondering why we may get banned for mining to fast as was stated in an earlier post? I would think the cap is all that is needed to prevent mining farms. It seems this speed reduction is very partial to countries where the dollar goes further like Argentina and Venezuela and severely punishes others.

Take for example me, living in the US and someone living in Venezuela. Say we both have a family of 6 and we both need to feed them for the day. Here that may cost at a minimum 20 US dollars whereas from what I gather the family in Venezuela may do it for 1 to 5 dollars US. So I need to mine faster to just keep up with the Venezuelan family . Now apply that to all needs of the family it soon becomes apparent mining to the cap as fast as I can makes sense so I can apply my resources to even another venture and make the money required. That was just an exaggerated example meant to show that it is not an equal playing field unless we are allowed to maximize our potential. Just a thought. Still love the project and am supporting it! Well... unless I get banned. Smiley
to me it would make more sense to gather as many licences* as possible for my chapter and do stable and productive mining to its max potential without pushing difficulty to high. that's why recommended setup to use ratio of 4cpus pro licence makes sense. getting banned, is a result of your miner sending shares that are not accepted by the network since your node got blacklisted (reached mining cap) and if it continues doing so permanently network could trigger ban on your node.

*easiest way to extend your number of licences is referring new chapters
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I was wondering why we may get banned for mining to fast as was stated in an earlier post? I would think the cap is all that is needed to prevent mining farms. It seems this speed reduction is very partial to countries where the dollar goes further like Argentina and Venezuela and severely punishes others.

Take for example me, living in the US and someone living in Venezuela. Say we both have a family of 6 and we both need to feed them for the day. Here that may cost at a minimum 20 US dollars whereas from what I gather the family in Venezuela may do it for 1 to 5 dollars US. So I need to mine faster to just keep up with the Venezuelan family . Now apply that to all needs of the family it soon becomes apparent mining to the cap as fast as I can makes sense so I can apply my resources to even another venture and make the money required. That was just an exaggerated example meant to show that it is not an equal playing field unless we are allowed to maximize our potential. Just a thought. Still love the project and am supporting it! Well... unless I get banned. Smiley
legendary
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Few hours ago Luis presented short- and long-term Roadmap  Cool enjoy reading and get involved. yay!


Fermat Road-map up to Q4 2017
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Live Interview | with Luis Molina | Founder of Fermat

You don't want to miss this, in just 1h Luis is doing Livestream on Youtube! join us and tune in
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!Attention Chapters it's been great ride past few weeks, we are counting 47 Chapters and we expect many more to join soon. Last few days England, New Zealand and Siberia joined Smiley welcome.

This is just the beginning of something really big, i strongly recommend all the Chapters that are Mining to start saving for further step that is coming very soon. Next coming is Chapter App necessary to scale up and bring Fermat Chapter Network system to another Level. Chapter Network that we are building today is very powerful tomorrow, just think about media potential of 100+ Chapters..
 
-> Why am i asking you today to start saving your precious IoP for tomorrow? because you will need them, if you want to stay and pioneer this new path you will next need to register your official Chapter Profile inside App and this will cost every Chapter 100 IoP deposit and 10 IoP mining fee.
-> So why is necessary to register official Chapter Profile? one example is to continue mining all our Licences will slowly migrate to this new system and only officially registred Chapters and their official members will be able to claim existing or add new mining Licences. This will lead to even greater decentralization and Trust Network.
-> Why are we doing this? you are representative of Fermat in your Country, you are the face of Internet of People and when this thing takes off you will be the one people will see as an expert in this field and if people want to build business around it they will come to you. Also we are doing this to make it official and bring some dynamics into field, you will be challenged to do some proactive action (POA) and in the process you and your Chapter earns real IoP tokens. In this early day it's easy to build and run Chapter, media, support the network and when time comes run full nodes but it won't stop there. This will expand and grow and early contributors like me and you can and will become real experts in this field. Vision is to have big Network of trusted individuals all over the world, those individuals will build Core and backbone of Internet of People.
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Introduction
Mining IoP tokens will be done in the most decentralized and resilience way possible. In the very long term securing the network by mining will be done by different networks that we will build over time. The mining will evolve until it’s final state where a block is going to be mined by one network, the next block by a second network and so on, including end users as one of the possible networks. Current network ideas includes these ones:
Fermat Chapter Network  → We are building this one today.
Fermat Research Network
Fermat Business Network
Fermat End Users Network
The first phase in this mining roadmap is the Fermat Chapter Network, and that is what we are going to describe and analyze at this document.
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Transaction Type          Mining Fee         Deposit
New Chapter Profile                 10               100
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Pre-Automation Stage
We are currently living at the pre-automation stage. That means that the management of the chapters is done manually with the help of a shared spreadsheet. The awarding of new licenses today is done in a centralized way by a few administrators. All these need to be automated and allow the network to self-govern and self-audit.
Source: Fermat Chapter Network
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