Topic: IOTA - page 402. (Read 1473405 times)
I would love to see more technical input on the forum: http://forum.iotatoken.com/t/can-an-offline-node-do-pow/1128
I don't think it will be launched any soon
Define "launched", please, because right now you look very uninformed.
there are no signs of life for IOTA, I hope it's soon to be launched, and get immediate trading site
you are not on Slack, are you?
I don't think it will be launched any soon
there are no signs of life for IOTA, I hope it's soon to be launched, and get immediate trading site
a person has never been so wrong.
there are no signs of life for IOTA, I hope it's soon to be launched, and get immediate trading site
you are not on Slack, are you?
The nodes outside of the lan don't have to connect to you, if you want run a local node/wallet. They only have to know your public ip in order to "allow" your access.
But the nodes you are connecting to have to be public, of course...
Edit: if you want to make your computer public available you have to configure your routers routing tables.
Thanks a lot for the answer! So the two nodes behind different NAT servers have no chance to connect. If I have my PC behind a NAT, and have no access to router to configure it, I have to search for peers running on public machines only...
It looks like people should specify whether whey run public IP or not, when they ask for nodes in nodesharing channel... so there will be less issues.
One more question: lets say I have access to router, so can forward traffic to my PC, but I do not want to forward all the traffic. Which port should I forward, so IOTA wallet can be connected from outside? In other words, which ports IOTA uses? Is it one port or many? TCP or UDP?
Thanks for help. I know if this goes to technical, I'll have to go to Slack...
I did not try IOTA, but with byteball there's no problem to run within a subnet, behind the NAT. The nodes communicate well and have no issue. Maybe I should try IOTA for that too.
I also have Byteball wallet successfully running in a LAN behind a NAT... Actually with Byteball its easy, as it just works. With IOTA it would be tricky, as you have to manually find nodes, which are nowhere publicly available. You have to go to Slack, ask for nodes and somehow make sure you find only peers who run node on machines directly connected to Internet and running public IP address... As you need to find 5-9 nodes of that kind (involving a chat with every other node owner, just to find out whether he runs public IP or not and whether he agrees to connect to node like yours, expect about a week of setup time
I am not complaining, as I understand it is the way it is, and there are good reasons for removal of auto peer discovery and introducing this notorious manual node search instead. For me the tech part is easy, chat part is tiresome. Hopefully light wallet comes soon.
Do you realize what you are banging on about is plain stupid?
I am a pernsioner old man and not a developer anymore, but even I can see the Byteball project uses this library https://github.com/bitpay/bitcore-p2p/blob/master/lib/peer.js. As you can see the bitcore peer module connects to the Bitcoin network via a websocket server. Websocket is a centralized solution. Meanwhile if I understood correctly the IOTA peers connect to each other directly without a central service provider. You compare apples with oranges. Do you realize at all that there is no NAT traversal needed as the websocket uses the HTTP protocol? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6455
I am a long time critics of IOTA, but what you are banging on about is a complete nonsense. You are asking why a peer cannot be as convenient as a centralized, websocket based solution. Normally there is a tradeoff between usability and security.
Well, not sure why my post inspired you to return to this thread...
Please, before commenting, try to understand what people are writing about. You obviously didn't care to read my previous posts, to understand the context.
Just for your information, I was not comparing Byteball to IOTA at all. In the quoted post I was merely replying to a person who told Byteball was easy to setup, thats the only reason I mentioned Byteball at all. I know Websocket and HTTP have no problems with NAT. But discussing Byteball connection method was out of my interest, and my posts were made barely about Iota, as I was interested in setting up a IOTA node behind NAT, and needed some info. Moreover, though your statements about BB are interesting and have some ground, I do not want to discuss BB in this thread, because of obvious reasons.
I am glad you were able to look into the Github of BB and understand some things, regardless of your old age. That is great, but looks like your temper became worse with those years, and your manners are far from being the finest too.
P.S. What a nervous place this thread has become... One cannot even ask something without being attacked from both sides
I hope Iota Slack is more friendly. To everyone who is has issues with either Byteball or Iota, and still has plans to attack me or my posts - please f**k off!! I am beyond all of your politics and inter-project relations, as well as have no willingness to argue with you.The question is: what are your ambitions with IOTA? IOTA is not meant for random speculation, but real world deployment, hence the different requirements from random crypto forum projects.
I guess you are right (though I would not use 'random forum projects' wording related to BB, but that is a matter of taste 
). I have no ambitions on Iota, have a small share which I just keep, and am just watching the project mostly. Maybe at some point in future I could integrate it into the phone systems I am working on now (that could be a part of other major feature though), but unfortunately up to now my RL job left me no time to dig more or less deep into this, or help this project somehow 
@rage1337: thanks for wonderful news. CfB told me Light Wallet is coming soon, but I was not expecting it so soon
. there are good reasons for removal of auto peer discovery
Except in Byteball there is no "auto peer discovery" exists at all as there are no peers but websocket clients.
there are good reasons for removal of auto peer discovery
Except in Byteball there is no "auto peer discovery" exists at all as there are no peers but websocket clients.
The nodes outside of the lan don't have to connect to you, if you want run a local node/wallet. They only have to know your public ip in order to "allow" your access.
But the nodes you are connecting to have to be public, of course...
Edit: if you want to make your computer public available you have to configure your routers routing tables.
Thanks a lot for the answer! So the two nodes behind different NAT servers have no chance to connect. If I have my PC behind a NAT, and have no access to router to configure it, I have to search for peers running on public machines only...
It looks like people should specify whether whey run public IP or not, when they ask for nodes in nodesharing channel... so there will be less issues.
One more question: lets say I have access to router, so can forward traffic to my PC, but I do not want to forward all the traffic. Which port should I forward, so IOTA wallet can be connected from outside? In other words, which ports IOTA uses? Is it one port or many? TCP or UDP?
Thanks for help. I know if this goes to technical, I'll have to go to Slack...
I did not try IOTA, but with byteball there's no problem to run within a subnet, behind the NAT. The nodes communicate well and have no issue. Maybe I should try IOTA for that too.
I also have Byteball wallet successfully running in a LAN behind a NAT... Actually with Byteball its easy, as it just works. With IOTA it would be tricky, as you have to manually find nodes, which are nowhere publicly available. You have to go to Slack, ask for nodes and somehow make sure you find only peers who run node on machines directly connected to Internet and running public IP address... As you need to find 5-9 nodes of that kind (involving a chat with every other node owner, just to find out whether he runs public IP or not and whether he agrees to connect to node like yours, expect about a week of setup time
I am not complaining, as I understand it is the way it is, and there are good reasons for removal of auto peer discovery and introducing this notorious manual node search instead. For me the tech part is easy, chat part is tiresome. Hopefully light wallet comes soon.
Do you realize what you are banging on about is plain stupid?
I am a pernsioner old man and not a developer anymore, but even I can see the Byteball project uses this library https://github.com/bitpay/bitcore-p2p/blob/master/lib/peer.js. As you can see the bitcore peer module connects to the Bitcoin network via a websocket server. Websocket is a centralized solution. Meanwhile if I understood correctly the IOTA peers connect to each other directly without a central service provider. You compare apples with oranges. Do you realize at all that there is no NAT traversal needed as the websocket uses the HTTP protocol? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6455
I am a long time critics of IOTA, but what you are banging on about is a complete nonsense. You are asking why a peer cannot be as convenient as a centralized, websocket based solution. Normally there is a tradeoff between usability and security.
What actions should be taken on the full node to allow the light wallet to use it, can somebody provide a short tutorial please?
start your full node with the --remote flag ( java -jar iri.jar -p 14265 -n "yourneighbors" --remote )
Make sure that the TCP Port 14265 is open and firewall lets traffic go through.
Btw you can restrict what API calls can be sent to your node, for example it's a good idea to do --remote-limit-api "addNeighbors, removeNeighbors" so that no Light Wallet can change your neighbor list. Maybe also disable attachToTangle if you want to prevent someone doing the PoW on your full node. Don't disable it if you want to connect the Android app to it.
Excited by the news!
Thank you for keeping us all updated
Be redy, some great anouncements are near!Thank you for keeping us all updated
If you are buyng, buy fast. If you are seling,
Short update
Light wallet:
I tested the light-wallet for several days now and everything is working really smooth. It is needed to connect the light-wallet to a full-node but no IP trading required!
I also tested the PoW with the GPU instead of CPU (GTX 980 ti). The first PoW normally takes about 2,5-3 minutes, after that it gets much faster, for each additional tx or address I needed about 10-50seconds.
During GPU spamming i reached about 88tx/h with a GPU idle time of 35%. I will continue with testing.
iotasupport.com has already created a side for the light-wallet: http://www.iotasupport.com/lightwallet.shtml
Actual there is one bug left under windows, as soon as this is fixed I will post the official relrease.
News:
There is a new trading bot moderated by yassin, see link for a short description how it works:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17522113
https://iotatangle.slack.com/messages/trading/
A nice summary for this month:
http://www.tangleblog.com/2017/01/16/the-incredible-january/
IOTA C# implementation:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iota-1216479
Light wallet:
I tested the light-wallet for several days now and everything is working really smooth. It is needed to connect the light-wallet to a full-node but no IP trading required!
I also tested the PoW with the GPU instead of CPU (GTX 980 ti). The first PoW normally takes about 2,5-3 minutes, after that it gets much faster, for each additional tx or address I needed about 10-50seconds.
During GPU spamming i reached about 88tx/h with a GPU idle time of 35%. I will continue with testing.
iotasupport.com has already created a side for the light-wallet: http://www.iotasupport.com/lightwallet.shtml
Actual there is one bug left under windows, as soon as this is fixed I will post the official relrease.
News:
There is a new trading bot moderated by yassin, see link for a short description how it works:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17522113
https://iotatangle.slack.com/messages/trading/
A nice summary for this month:
http://www.tangleblog.com/2017/01/16/the-incredible-january/
IOTA C# implementation:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iota-1216479
The nodes outside of the lan don't have to connect to you, if you want run a local node/wallet. They only have to know your public ip in order to "allow" your access.
But the nodes you are connecting to have to be public, of course...
Edit: if you want to make your computer public available you have to configure your routers routing tables.
Thanks a lot for the answer! So the two nodes behind different NAT servers have no chance to connect. If I have my PC behind a NAT, and have no access to router to configure it, I have to search for peers running on public machines only...
It looks like people should specify whether whey run public IP or not, when they ask for nodes in nodesharing channel... so there will be less issues.
One more question: lets say I have access to router, so can forward traffic to my PC, but I do not want to forward all the traffic. Which port should I forward, so IOTA wallet can be connected from outside? In other words, which ports IOTA uses? Is it one port or many? TCP or UDP?
Thanks for help. I know if this goes to technical, I'll have to go to Slack...
I did not try IOTA, but with byteball there's no problem to run within a subnet, behind the NAT. The nodes communicate well and have no issue. Maybe I should try IOTA for that too.
I also have Byteball wallet successfully running in a LAN behind a NAT... Actually with Byteball its easy, as it just works. With IOTA it would be tricky, as you have to manually find nodes, which are nowhere publicly available. You have to go to Slack, ask for nodes and somehow make sure you find only peers who run node on machines directly connected to Internet and running public IP address... As you need to find 5-9 nodes of that kind (involving a chat with every other node owner, just to find out whether he runs public IP or not and whether he agrees to connect to node like yours, expect about a week of setup time
I am not complaining, as I understand it is the way it is, and there are good reasons for removal of auto peer discovery and introducing this notorious manual node search instead. For me the tech part is easy, chat part is tiresome. Hopefully light wallet comes soon.
The question is: what are your ambitions with IOTA? IOTA is not meant for random speculation, but real world deployment, hence the different requirements from random crypto forum projects.
both of them are very interesting and innovative projects made for different purposes and different targets in mind.
Yep, one has tx fees and the other doesn't.
Jump to: