Topic: IOTA - Unmoderated thread - page 10. (Read 70768 times)

No, I didn't listen about 'Chappi'. Will check it out!

BTW, I want to warn you regarding the 'Valhalla Rising', so you don't blame me later.
It is one of the hard-to-watch movies, you may well fall asleep watching that . When I first watched it, I cannot tell I really liked it, but the amazing part was - I remembered it much better than anything else I have watched at that time. It reminds of the 'aftertaste' effect to good wine. And it looks to be the most 'historically correct' movies I have seen.
You are either gonna love it, or hate. Latter is more probable, especially if you are from US, and used to high-dinamics movies.

Looks interesting, gonna watch it. Thanks

Have you seen Chappie? Marvelous movie. At first half of movie I was like 'no you bastards why do you teach him bad things, to fight and be a gangsta' but then...

David is born to fight, he is a true viking. You cannot disregard the ancestry. Potential Einherjar, he is carefully preparing his honorable place in Valhalla, right next to Odin.

P.S. Cannot resist, I have to recommend this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0862467/. If you can handle this, watch to the end, and actually enjoy, you would never mess with David again  

Cut off the bullshit, dickhead.
Let the product talks instead of your stupid mouth.
 

The hypothalamus part of the brain is responsible for the basic biological drives, the four 'F's; fighting, fleeing, feeding and fornicating.

It looks like you are doing too much of the first, fighting, try doing more of the rest in general, and last one in particular.

Yes 100% seriously, I'm not your nanny. I gave you the benefit of doubt that you could act like an adult and actually muster up a response to the question pertaining to what your actual arguments are, but it's clear that it was a waste of calories.

You just wasted another few seconds of the universe's existence to the heat death by typing those retarded useless letters, feel ashamed on behalf of conscious existence.

Another useless insult? Seriously.

Yes indeed we have been considering that as well, looks like there is a whole class of "Private blockchain" softwares. That idea is not out the window. But me personally would not recommend it, though they still talk about it, Im telling them we need permissionless free/open source otherwise its just gonna be another Enterprise shitware 5 years from now. If they want private/internal-only, and really can control access/authorization, just use OpenVPN/tinc with whatever software on it sending things in cleartext, even standard PostgreSQL/paxos application is then fine. Strongly doubt IoT devices out of our control wont be "modified" or studied, so. Which brings me to,


a) free open/source my expectations were that these discussions should be available for public, like Linux kernel or Firefox. its all in the open/available, so
b) when I asked like a normal person they could have pointed me to it, a mailing-list, FAQs or Wiki or Issue-page, but was met with hostility, ridicule etc which led me to assume
c) that they have something to hide.

Listen, let's cut the bullshit.

As the leader of the project I am open to answer any question you may have in detail, but ONLY if it is sincere and not some ramblings by an geriatric alcoholic crackhead who regrets his life decisions and now lashes out.

Byteball is not even on my radar, so I am not even remotely interested unless you can link to some whitepaper or repos that are relevant for IOTA.

PoW issue has been answered.

Anything else?

Oh, that makes sense . I forgot for native English speakers communication here is much less time-consuming than for me...

Ok, I get it now. That explains a lot. Should it be completely decentralized too? Not sure how big the required TX volume is, but for a real business aimed to be launched in a year or less, I would personally consider something less cutting-edge, but more time-proven like regular blockchain-based your own private alt-network. But well, thats me, I am a bit conservative. I am sure you considered all available options.

And yes, I believe your input is valuable. Iota folks are the ones whom it should be most valuable to, but by some reason they do not appreciate it. There could be several reasons for that:
 (a) probably they had too many internal discussion on this during the last few years, and mostly came to some consensus already, so they don't want to listen critics from a newcomer who obviously didn't spend as much time and effort on the topic as they did;
 (b) your accusations (scam, etc) made them accept your views negatively. That's normal emotional reaction. I see at least one of them - Stiveo, strongly driven by emotions here;
 (c) they are scammers, they know the truth, but try to hide it from the public. Well, this might be the case, but based on the side-observations I believe this is unlikely.

As to me, when I see people are not interested in my opinion, I prefer to save the efforts for the ones who appreciate it, and go to a more friendly environment
Again, that is a matter of taste, so it is absolutely normal you are doing different way.

Cheers.

Yes the zero fee transaction is very attractive and a huge benefit of IOTA, and basically any tech which has zero fee is tremendous. That idea, zero-fee transactions, is worthy to pursue.

Me writing this here doesnt take much of my time or energy at all, Im a fast writer, basically all of this is a direct dump of what I think, which is why Im writing it here and not structuring it up on medium or blog posts. Its almost like talking, like this is bitcoin-talk you could say.

Anyway, I was sent by my employer to pick a software library or existing application which can handle massive transactions/s with finality/confirmation times below 5min, non of this bitcoin wait for a whole day, for an IoT application we are building, naturally I found both Iota Byteball and some others, what I found out is what I shared here for others to read/digest this faster and not waste their time as I did with Iota. If you dont think its valuable you dont have to read it at all.

Lovely picture, might be we just have to scavage all those trainwrecks of these last two years to assemble something shiny new stuff that features real brilliance.
Maybe something IoT based like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirai_(malware) that can be rented out for coins?
Have to leave this thread, trying to buy in when the Fudlevels calmed down for some weeks.

@NatoSatomato: man, I understand your admiration for Byteball, and I agree it is fantastic technology.

But, with all the respect, what I really cannot understand is why you spend so much time and energy attacking IOTA? Let those guys do what they are doing, and lets see what they would achieve. There are problems with IOTA (I don't want to go into details, as I know nobody actually asks for them, and everyone sees them differently), there are issues to overcome, but as far as I understand its none of your (and mine too) business. There are people who work on that. and they sincerely try to make it succeed. Let them do their job.

If you indeed like BB so much, why don't you join BB development team, and use your SW development talents to help Tonych and the BB to progress faster? That would be much more productive way to spend your time, than wasting it here basing IOTA, isn't it? And I would tell - it would be much more rewarding in all terms, as you will get much more appreciation, and enjoyment from what you are doing!

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Part 2 (if the part 1 above seems reasonable to you, you could skip part 2 at all)
One more, unrelated thought... What I really like in IOTA, and what I see as an undoubtful advantage of it over anything else - are the zero fees.  You tell BB fees are small, and that (along with other benefits) allows BB to replace IOTA... Well, as per my observations in different areas, zero fees is something hugely  more attractive than just small fees. Its like "FREE" software, its is always thousand times more popular than even extremely cheap one. Or look at the markets with zero fees - you see huge transaction volume there.
Small fee is still a fee. Zero fee is something of completely different ligue. The fact of being "FREE" opens completely new doors, and usage cases.

This is how I see it... I know you will disagree, that's is what you like doing the most . Thats ok, but I am sure as an intelligent person you will see the point of what I wrote above

If youre not upset, then check up your hostility/aggression centre of your brain, may be a tumor.

I'm not upset, I'm bored. Have a good life man. Do something about that persecution complex.

Why are you even so upset? Did I call you a chauvanistic dick liar or anything at all?

Dont be upset at me, be upset at IOTA devs who fooled you.

Im just the messenger dude, and if you still so strongly believe in IOTA you can just say "thats like your opinion man", and be done with it, no need for personal attacks. 

a little bit of self-reflection would help "bro". you don't even see your mistakes or insults. that's what a chauvi does.

Yeah thanks for the nice welcome to iota community bro.  

Great arguments you have as well, "chauvinist troll liar dick", if you want Ill give you a dictionary of adjectives and insults which you can use to describe future critics of Iota. Iota community seems to be running out of insults for me so far.

all I see is a bored chauvinist who has time to troll but no real interest in checking facts, which makes you a liar. I guess you heard that term before. the more people you meet, the more you trigger, it's your nature. you're a dick.
see ya, boring guy

Now, dude seriously? It was just an example, I might have as well used SPECTRE or any other shit coin in the example - of alternative solution. Just because it has Iot in its name doesnt mean its the best suited for it.

Value shifting between two humans happen when exchanging paper-notes or coins or mobile-phones or rocks, all else in digital crypto is machine-to-machine communication. Just because it doesnt "aim for", doesnt mean it wont be most applied there - see Linux, mostly applied on servers and super-computers, while it was "aimed for" hobby geeks PCs.

The issue with credibility, is with the developers/leaders/founders - Ive explained before here their treatment of me when attempting to join Iota community. They arent socially skilled to lead a project of the vision of Iota - they are the weakest point, worse than the asic idea.

Issue with credibility - censoring/deleting my posts from here in the main IOTA thread for asking the same shit I ask here. That is lying. Hiding information/questions from others.

Yes, heard about those buzzwords, ever heard of Markov chain? Oooh sooo fancy. Ternary? Please, it was attempted even in 1960s.

Jinn will get cheaper? So your entire investment in IOTA rests on a still-magical hardware to get cheaper. Cheaper than IoT microcontroller which costs $1 ?

So you want post-quantum crypto/openssl, a google away is https://github.com/open-quantum-safe/liboqs that wasnt hard.

LOL, ok then wtf would you buy it for if not a price?

A gigantic, like really humungus gigantic amount? How much is gigantic for you? Do you have difficult writing the word trillion? Show examples or go home. Anyway my example was just to wake you up and see a different perspective it was not a "think before write" example, its okay if you dont want to think of anything else than what IOTA are selling you.

Yes, yes I do discredit any other piece of shit technology/idea I see. Ethereum and TheDAO scandal in particular, I laughed at it before its launch (Full Turing machine... like fucking okay dude, tell me how that wont fail exactly) and I continue chuckling even now, which is how I live my life. What is my motive? Excellence, just that, elegance and excellence in software-industry, I dont want to be surrounded by scumbag IoT devices using more power than they need, polluting the environment even more for no gain at all - my motive against iota asics is environmental protection, and against iota founders/"developers" scamming people of money, just like that because I am a good guy. Im the type of guy to open and hold a door for you, even you Steveo, and Im here telling all "investors" watch out.

Simple enough - watch out! They gonna grab your money!

And if you think of investing in Byteball - dont do it, its not even 1 month in "production". Invest in a new perfume and go out get drunk instead.