PoW and IoT is oxymoron
Is micro transactions and transactions fees also an oxymoron?
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Is micro transactions and transactions fees also an oxymoron?
Tell me: what are the facts for your statement, that PoW isnt suitable for Sybil-prevention.
That is not my statement, you are misrepresenting what I said. PoW is useful for blockchain based approaches, PoW and IoT is oxymoron, especially so with a DAG coin.You just have to read my posts again, and pretend that it was iotatoken or Come-from-Beyond which wrote them, just do that and its all set, its not a big task to ask, just pretend that it was an "IOTA-dude" who wrote it and not me, and read my posts. That is all.
At this point, I dont care about that feud anymore.
I want to improve, and I want to hear solid reasons for a problem if there is any.
If you "SatoNatomato", have proper facts to deliver, do it.
Tell me: what are the facts for your statement, that PoW isnt suitable for Sybil-prevention.
Lets stop with this time-wasting conversation and go to the important infos.
No one cares who is the cooler guy, who has the bigger balls.
Just write the facts if you can.
facts are defined as "scientific and empiristic statements from quote worthy literature."
I dont wanna read those useless metaphors and pictures you draw with your anus.
Only quote worthy literature!
This isnt too much to ask.
I did it for the winternitz scheme and I could certainly do it for the PoW but this is your duty to prove, not mine.
I want to improve, and I want to hear solid reasons for a problem if there is any.
If you "SatoNatomato", have proper facts to deliver, do it.
Tell me: what are the facts for your statement, that PoW isnt suitable for Sybil-prevention.
Lets stop with this time-wasting conversation and go to the important infos.
No one cares who is the cooler guy, who has the bigger balls.
Just write the facts if you can.
facts are defined as "scientific and empiristic statements from quote worthy literature."
I dont wanna read those useless metaphors and pictures you draw with your anus.
Only quote worthy literature!
This isnt too much to ask.
I did it for the winternitz scheme and I could certainly do it for the PoW but this is your duty to prove, not mine.
You have to fish harder.
As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.
As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.
I knew you would again use a childish excuse to avoid answering a tech question. You just don't have enough expertise (as it was shown several times in the past).
Let's not give him more attention, we won, as always, trolls can't win.
You have to fish harder.
As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.
As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.
I knew you would again use a childish excuse to avoid answering a tech question. You just don't have enough expertise (as it was shown several times in the past).
You arent worth more than the same treatment and frankly if you expected anything else is just funny.
You have to fish harder.
As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.
As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.
I knew you would again use a childish excuse to avoid answering a tech question. You just don't have enough expertise (as it was shown several times in the past).
Let's not give him more attention, we won, as always, trolls can't win.
You have to fish harder.
As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.
As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.
I knew you would again use a childish excuse to avoid answering a tech question. You just don't have enough expertise (as it was shown several times in the past).
And specifically to Iota, PoW does not provide Sybil prevention, of course it does for bitcoin.
How does PoW provide Sybil prevention for Bitcoin?
As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.
And specifically to Iota, PoW does not provide Sybil prevention, of course it does for bitcoin.
How does PoW provide Sybil prevention for Bitcoin?
Bring me a paper that explains why PoW isnt suitable against sybil and I listen.
He said PoW isn't suitable against Sybil attacks? Haha, this is a good gem for my collection of his fuckups. If he really stated that then he stated that Bitcoin can't work!
PoW and IoT is oxymoron is what I have stated. And specifically to Iota, PoW does not provide Sybil prevention, of course it does for bitcoin.
Bring me a paper that explains why PoW isnt suitable against sybil and I listen.
He said PoW isn't suitable against Sybil attacks? Haha, this is a good gem for my collection of his fuckups. If he really stated that then he stated that Bitcoin can't work!
Your trolling is low, can you step up your game? I need more motivation when programming, your posts dont rile me up anymore.
A programmer out of spite is a programmer of might.
A programmer out of spite is a programmer of might.
I'll just wait, your next fuckup is inevitable.
now: why does PoW NOT help against Sybil attacks, like you postulated 2 arguments before?
Im sorry, but I cant comprehend instead of you, comprehension is something you have to do.
A quick idea how to comprehend faster, if PoW was Sybil-preventing, why does IOTA still require humans to peer with each other on a slack channel?
EDIT: some more, PoW, how much work do you think a 1W device with shitty CPU+"Jinn", can do and how much work can a 1 400W device do with specialized hardware? You know the answer but dont want to see it, orders of magnitude more - which means any single ASIC or FPGA, could outrun and double-spend many IoT devices. Which means, the Work that IoT controller puts into using IOTA, is wasted energy, its an oxymoron.
U give us counterquestions and again chauvi-attitude but you still fail to deliver any proof.
Your poor try to discredit me based on "O and o" is funny.
Bring me a paper that explains why PoW isnt suitable against sybil and I listen. Until then, have fun in your loser-life.
now: why does PoW NOT help against Sybil attacks, like you postulated 2 arguments before?
Do you see now how it's hard to explain things when you understand nothing in them?
PS: Keep explaining, I'm waiting for the next your fuckup.
A programmer out of spite is a programmer of might.
now: why does PoW NOT help against Sybil attacks, like you postulated 2 arguments before?
Do you see now how it's hard to explain things when you understand nothing in them?
PS: Keep explaining, I'm waiting for the next your fuckup.
now: why does PoW NOT help against Sybil attacks, like you postulated 2 arguments before?
Im sorry, but I cant comprehend instead of you, comprehension is something you have to do.
A quick idea how to comprehend faster, if PoW was Sybil-preventing, why does IOTA still require humans to peer with each other on a slack channel?
EDIT: some more, PoW, how much work do you think a 1W device with shitty CPU+"Jinn", can do and how much work can a 1 400W device do with specialized hardware? You know the answer but dont want to see it, orders of magnitude more - which means any single ASIC or FPGA, could outrun and double-spend many IoT devices. Which means, the Work that IoT controller puts into using IOTA, is wasted energy, its an oxymoron.
The last sentence requires that you understand relative sizes. Toddlers aquire said knowledge around age 2.
OK, for arguments sake: Assume that IOTA is a scam and a techonology that can never work. So just out of curiosity:
What now? What is your mission here?
Expose a scam and protect the gullible?
Save all those involved from wasting their time and money?
Make it so that all IOTA holders destroy their IOTAs and the project be shut down?
Apart from spewing destructivism hinged on buzzwords, you fail to provide the logical consequence of what you are implying. This makes you appear quite deranged and sinister.
But as you probably will not do that, as most other IOTA scammers prefer to insult and talk about persons instead of software and ideas.
As I stated previously many many times, I came with open mind both to IOTA and to Byteball. You IOTA people have something to hide and started attacking me personally and throwing insults left and right, besides not actually answering any technical questions. All reeks of scam. Now, about 1 month in, of course I am still on Byteball thread while am banned from IOTA thread. So now you are using this as a kind of attack on me personally "see fans of iota, that guy is with the *OTHER* dag-project", which is appealing to basic "us-vs-them" primitive brain of humans.
You know what my mission is? To talk, this is bitcointalk after all. Understandably, scammers/IOTA people have a problem with that - people talking and asking questions about technology.
We WERE talking about a technical question. Why is POW not able to withstand sybilattacks, like you told me?
The last sentence requires that you understand relative sizes. Toddlers aquire said knowledge around age 2.
OK, for arguments sake: Assume that IOTA is a scam and a techonology that can never work. So just out of curiosity:
What now? What is your mission here?
Expose a scam and protect the gullible?
Save all those involved from wasting their time and money?
Make it so that all IOTA holders destroy their IOTAs and the project be shut down?
Apart from spewing destructivism hinged on buzzwords, you fail to provide the logical consequence of what you are implying. This makes you appear quite deranged and sinister.
But as you probably will not do that, as most other IOTA scammers prefer to insult and talk about persons instead of software and ideas.
As I stated previously many many times, I came with open mind both to IOTA and to Byteball. You IOTA people have something to hide and started attacking me personally and throwing insults left and right, besides not actually answering any technical questions. All reeks of scam. Now, about 1 month in, of course I am still on Byteball thread while am banned from IOTA thread. So now you are using this as a kind of attack on me personally "see fans of iota, that guy is with the *OTHER* dag-project", which is appealing to basic "us-vs-them" primitive brain of humans.
You know what my mission is? To talk, this is bitcointalk after all. Understandably, scammers/IOTA people have a problem with that - people talking and asking questions about technology.
The last sentence requires that you understand relative sizes. Toddlers aquire said knowledge around age 2.
OK, for arguments sake: Assume that IOTA is a scam and a techonology that can never work. So just out of curiosity:
What now? What is your mission here?
Expose a scam and protect the gullible?
Save all those involved from wasting their time and money?
Make it so that all IOTA holders destroy their IOTAs and the project be shut down?
Apart from spewing destructivism hinged on buzzwords, you fail to provide the logical consequence of what you are implying. This makes you appear quite deranged and sinister.
Hm - maybe we should have a look at your post history- like this one, which was your first post, over on the Byteball thread:
has someone compiled the wallets from src and checked if the apps ( android / win / linux ) from the release matches?
Yes, I did it for Linux, it matches close enough, its not a reproducible build like Bitcoin or Tor yet.Joining here, to say amazing great work to tonych, looking forward to build many platforms with this technology.
we, the community of honest cryptonerds,
How can I get a membership badge for that club? Please?
PoW IS against sybil. It's what gives one chain, one tx or the "healthy" majority kind of a network credibility because with the most PoW it is chosen over others. this is no guess, it's common knowledge. I mean, srsly. dont make me look for sources for basic stuff like this.
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more ramblings without backing anything up with anything more than "because I say so and trust IOTA".
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Really, PoW works against Sybil? How awesome, now where can I download IOTA full node software and run it and have it connect to the rest of the network? Oh right, you cant. Because pow is not protecting against sybils, and not avoiding a "clustering" of peers which then mess up your non-existent "consensus" aka monte-carlo-randomly-select-a-head algorithm so a coordinator is required.
You dont "buy 100000 chips", you make one which has such power, an ASIC, or just use an off-the-shelf FPGA and program it - it would give you enough power to block any smaller IoT devices from transacting, or double-spending them. If iota becomes worth anything more than an iota of cow dung, rest assured people will develop "100000 power chips" to attack it just like they developed bitcoin miners.
can we stop forming hot air?
back up your arguments. that's minimum scientific requirement and necessary to fuel this conversation.
google scholar, science direct, even stackoverflow could be helpful here.
Maybe I can back it up like this, see this letter here, O, is big, now see it here, o, is small, and look now, its gonna be so miniscule you can hardly see it . magic isnt it?
Now then, let me back this one up, IoT devices are really power-constrained and energy-constrained devices, look here https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoard101 and here https://punchthrough.com/bean wow, 32Mhz, 196kib, all do you think that will need 150W of power to run or less than 2W of power to run, what is your guess? How many of those would you need in a network to outcompete a normal PC? Do you want it to be wasting your battery while it computed dumb proofs when you could instead just not waste power, and send a request over a trusted encrypted link to your cloud or whatever platform you have?
beside ad hominem, we were at "sybil attacks can be prevented with PoW"
you just keep on babbling hot air, unimportant phrases and ignore solid arguments.
now: why does PoW NOT help against Sybil attacks, like you postulated 2 arguments before?
and you still need to attack me in a chauvi-manner, which is fine for me, as long as you come with some solid sources.
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