Topic: IOTA - Unmoderated thread - page 61. (Read 70784 times)

wow!, personal vendetta driven scam accusation porn at it's best (perhaps some more here).

i am a little impressed by your skills altcoinUK, you are using a nice set of language programming technics
not seen everywhere like stereotyped repetition, discrediting by race, age or other characteristics, reply reforming,
context separation, reference nearing and other stuff but i am missing some specials you are hiding, or not?

so my question is, are you just talented, or trained on this?
(not a personal attack, i am just curious)

however, for all others just do your homework if you are interested in crypto tech. due diligence. no one
will do this for you. stick with the facts, dig, ask question and if you don't fully understand what you
see or hear don't do it. if you need someone like altcoinUK telling you what is good (or not), cryptoshpere
isn't probably the right place for you but in case you need this kind of nanny you have to blame yourself
for the outcome and not others.

Just have to say WOW to you man. Now I fully understand why CfB stopped talking here.

Don't know if you're a complete narcissistic or you're simply an idiot that thinks he's the center of the universe.

There's no way to communicate with you man, you only take the part you're interested in and ignore all the rest. A total egocentric psychopath is what you are.

Just to prove my words one last time:

"And yes, there's nothing wrong with defrauding idiots, they don't deserve the money they have. But don't touch our IOTA baby, this has nothing to be with all that shit."

And what you "extract" from this, is that IOTA is a scam???

Man, I'm done with you. I admit it, I overestimated you and thought you were clever, but i made a mistake here.

I'm gonna ignore you forever and I invite everyone who reads this post to do the same. You're just a fucking miserable shit gold plated.

Bye.

Look, I don't mind you demonstrate what a fucking idiot you are as well as you demonstrate the mindset of IOTA investors to this thread, but please stop because the IOTA group will tell in no time that you are my sockpuppet account to post such opinion which is really embarrassing to IOTA LoL  

I fully understand you can't see that, but if a project has supporters like you are, then that project really don't need any enemies any more, the project will have enough problems to mitigate the outcome of your wonderful support.

Bitcoin, I have been supporting BTC for long, but lately you can read my reservations all over the place about Bitcoin, how government takes over Bitcoin, how Bitcoin enables totalitarian control over society, so yes, I admire the original social and economic experiment of Bitcoin, but IMHO Bitcoin will be totally fucked up once the inevitable regulations will be in place. BTC will be nothing more than the prefect, centralized financial information store of the government (see the Martin Armstrong thread for more info).

Ethereum, while I am not happy about the distribution model I admire and like Gavin Wood. He is a sensible and smart software developer. He is not scammer so I am happy to crowdfund his any projects. I am crowdfunding all kind of real world projects projects based on goodwill and to support innovation and supported Ethereum for the sake of technology.

Skycoin, IMHO the developer deserves crowdfunding. I could be wrong but I think he has a valid use case with his libertarian approach and his vision of mesh networking. He also have some idea about hardware level security (like those Atmel crypto chips and ARM trusted zone) which I am familiar so I am interested to see what he is doing. For many reasons decentralized mesh network will be a hot topic, so he could be very successful. He is definitely super smart. Please note, he has no more chance than 10% to succeed, but that is precisely 10% more than 99.9% of crypto coins have.

I am very pleased with the success of NEM and regardless of their distribution model (I don't even know what it is) I will support them. That's what crypto need: real world adoption and use cases. If they start some P&D scheme then I will stop supporting them.

That's all, other coins I supported before aren't happy with me so I started to buy their coins and support them LoL

10M $ market cap for a: 0 inflation, 0 fees and ultra-fast transaction coin, to say some features of IOTA. This number looks terrible to you? Really? I think you should take a look at the top of coinmarketcap. You'll have a heart attack.

We can discuss if IOTA will be a game changer. We can discuss if this was a good planned P&D scheme. But you can't discuss that this coin is one or two steps above all other coins, when we talk about SIMPLICITY, EASE OF USE, FAST, AND CHEAP transactions. At the end, this is what everyone expects a currency to be.

Don't be confused, you are the only one here who is desesperate. WHY? Because IOTA GUI launches in a week and all your shit won't have sense then, because everyone will realize how cool is that.

And yes, there's nothing wrong with defrauding idiots, they don't deserve the money they have. But don't touch our IOTA baby, this has nothing to be with all that shit.

C'mon sheep, BUY etherum BUY, it's the next BTC!!

altcoinUK, which coin is good for you and fits your vision (technology, primary distribution, not a scam, etc), if such exists?

Now, as you see above, pathetic fraudsters like this VultureFund - who by the way one page back yesterday said there is nothing wrong with defrauding naive and uninformed users, read it, you can see he posted that nothing wrong with fraud - try to push the message about the $10 million market cap. They are getting desperate, and they hope there are enough greedy and idiots on this forum to pull out a P&D by pushing the message of the $10 million market cap. Fortunately, he demonstrates here in this thread the mindset of IOTA "investors": hoping the 10 million market cap without having any real prospects of making any money with JINN nor with IOTA (they don't even have an IoT system nor they have the experience and capability to create one, and I don't even want to get into again how absurd their microprocessor idea is).

Disagree who? The shills, sockpuppets and "investors" disagree who really-really want to see their P&D works out and at the expense of naive/uninformed users which is the target audience of the P&D scam. Indeed the Belarusian attracts a large group of greedy individuals, "investors" and idiots. Also he promised the "investors" he will provide them with a handsome ROI. Predominantly those are who disagree with me. All sensible, honest and reasonable individuals with over IQ 80 understand that IOTA is a P&D scam.

As for the "reason", you remember what was the "reason" of rejecting my opinion about Moolah in 2014 in the Vericoin thread and IRC channel? The reason was that the cheerleaders, sockpuppets and shills thought the Moolah deal was game changer. Or more precisely they could market and P&D the coin with such game changer deal. I was disrupting the VRC P&D as well as I was interrupting the genius plan of the VRC devs with regards to collaborating with Moolah. I visited at the time to Moolah with my lawyer and then posted to VRC's IRC and thread what I understood about Moolah, Moolah is a pathetic scam, and the collaboration mustn't even considered. We contacted law enforcement and the game changer, innovative Ryan Kennedy is in prison now. The shills, sockpuppets and "investors" of IOTA argument is what a game changer and innovative solution they have. We heard that many times during a P&D operation.

Or the "reason" of why the shills, sockpuppets and "investors" of Bitbay disagreed with me in 2014 December? It was exactly same "reason" as the "reason" of the shills, sockpuppets and "investors" of IOTA: my unmoderated thread interrupted the scam and (together with barabbas' unmoderated thread) basically stopped the scam as Bob clashed with David in my thread. We contacted law enforcement and now the law enforcement handles the case. The organisers of the game changer, innovative, disruptive technology are subject of a law enforcement investigation, because it was a P&D scam and the game changer, innovative, disruptive technology existed only in the imagination and on the argument list of shills, sockpuppets and "investors".

The "reason" of the IOTA shills, sockpuppets and "investors" is clear: talk about innovative and disruptive technologies to realise as much profit via the P&D as they can. Regardless, of their "reason" blatant lies and P&D scams must stop and we need to let law enforcement handle such frauds - this is not a technology nor a business issue.

Hey man, It's time to be little rational and stop the FUD.

Without offence intention, you are a confused idiot. But I still want to share points in common with you.

This is very simple, IOTA creation can be divided in 3 basic possibilites:

1. David and his team created IOTA for the main purpose of earning money by a P&D scheme. IOTA concept would only be the "excuse" to pump the coin and earn thousands of BTCs. This would mean that most of the ICO would be auto-buy by David and 90% of IOTA related is fake. (YOUR OPINION)

2. David and his team created IOTA as an experimental token that could be useful for IOT, with the aim of adding knowledge in the crypto-world and at the same time collecting some $ for the company they work for (Triangle). David would be conscious that IOTA could be used for a P&D scheme, but this wasn't his intention. (MY OPINION)

3. David and his team created IOTA with a BIG plan behind and they still didn't tell us, to IOTA be used on real IOT and be valued in billion $$. (IOTA SHRIMPS OPINION)


Now, you can see that doesn't matter which option you take. The result is the same: IOTA flies hard to a +10M $ market cap. SIMPLY, BECAUSE IT'S A NEW OPTION IN CRYPTOLAND WITHOUT ANY DIRECT COMPETENCE.

As I said, I feel sorry for you. C'mon man, publish a donation adress, I need to ease my conscience.

That's a good point and yes, most of those start-ups fail as well.

You say it's not viable, but the 'why' doesn't make sense to me. Fair enough, it's your opinion.
500k USD have a different opinion than yours.




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they'll understand until their money is stolen  

altcoinuk!! the majority disagree with you for a reason!!!

You are keep talking about different things what I said, what NSA says and what the IOTA scammers do. It seems none of those matters for you.

1) What I said was, I talked about the business viability of a quantum resistant alternative crypto currency start-up and sorry, I refuse to explain further why the business viability of such start-up is zero. Contact a technology VC or angel investor, tell them you have a business plan that monetizes quantum resistant alternative crypto currency and then you will see their face and the reaction about the viability of your business plan.

2) NSA doesn't talk about the viability of a quantum resistant alternative crypto currency start-up. NSA simply points out the fact that quantum computers will make ECC and RSA PPK cryptography vulnerable at some point in the future and yes, quantum resistant cryptography will be required at some point in the future.  

3) Most importantly, despite what you say, the start-up of the IOTA scammers does not develop "quantum secure algos". No, they try to P&D a quantum resistant alternative crypto currency which uses quantum secure algos. (Note, even if they would develop a  "quantum secure algos" that would make no difference terms of business viability) Very nice wrapping of a scam so the cheerleaders, shills and idiots can go around and hype the coin. What is the value of such quantum resistant alternative crypto currency outside of this scam driven microcosmos? Absolutely zero.

As for Bitcoin, sensible VC investors as well as technology professionals understand how irrelevant at this stage the quantum resistance issue is. Therefore, they couldn't care less about the quantum resistance issue, but build all kind of businesses on the Bitcoin ecosystem. But again, even those Bitcoin start-ups are having difficulties with monetization.

Interesting argument, the fact that the NSA changes to quantum secure algos makes a startup developing quantum secure algos... unviable...

and Bitcoin is viable because it's vulnerable to quantum computers...?
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-is-not-quantum-safe-and-how-we-can-fix-1375242150

No. As I pointed out above several times, the JINN and IOTA business propositions are blatant lies. I explained why that is the case. Yes, they are perfect vehicles to roll out a P&D scam by misleading the uninformed and greedy crowd that there is a business case, but I have pointed out why it is not possible to implement such businesses without adequate academic background, R&D capability, experience, infrastructure, resources and market. Don't forget, in the case of IoT they don't even have the market. In the corporate driven IoT market nobody touch a "quantum resistant alternative crypto currency". I understand they can sell to the idiots this nonsense, but go and ask an IoT VC or angel investor they will tell you what they think about such nonsense like monetizing a "quantum resistant alternative crypto currency" in IoT.


I understand he is smart enough to roll out scams and create code for a scam, but I agree with CIYAM he is not a such exceptional good software engineer. Good enough to produce code for a P&D. Nothing more.
Someone PM-d me here his few java files. (Btw that is IOTA, his few java files). There are no comments nor basic error and exception handling. In a code review of a graduate software engineer, before even looking at the implementation details it would be told the software developer, please go and just first comply with the very basic software engineering principles like comment your code and think about error and exception handling, and then we will continue to code review. (I am 99% positive he never ever had a formal code review in his carrier). Now, this genius software developer present such code in a public domain. Indicates lack of experience and professional pride. As I said, he knows it I doesn't matter what kind of source code he presents. The "investors" (his shills and sockpuppets of this thread) couldn't give a monkey about the quality of code, they care about only the P&D and the "ROI".

No, as you can see NSA does not think otherwise. In fact NSA was not talking at all about what I have pointed out - they aren't talking about the business viability of a start-up which develops quantum resistant technology. I was talking about that a quantum resistant, alternative crypto currency (WTF) is not a viable business proposition for a start-up in 2016.

Even Bitcoin start-ups are having problem to turn their operation profitable, they exists on the life supply line of VC investments. As I pointed out, only pathetic scammers collect from idiots and "investors" - who are eagerly after the next big "ROI" and P&D - $500k by promising that they will monetize on a quantum resistant alternative crypto currency solution. You don't have the business case there. A P&D by hyping a quantum resistant solution is not a business case - that is a scam.

Seems weird we can't on this board get a collective of the best verified coders to examine projects and give a collective judgement. I mean if it is true the person coding this out is not even a 3rd rate programmer and this is verified by know expert coders then it surely that is quite a terrible indication of things to come.

Who are the known and verified best crypto people on this board? Is there a list of verified crypto specialists anywhere?


If every new IPO had a peer review done on their whitepaper by 20 top verified experts on this forum and the majority of the experts just said it looks like techno babble to suck in greedy noob investors then that could be of great use to stopping these scamming ipo


I don't seem to understand this thread.


So


cfb - is he a coder or the 24 yr old boy that keeps getting referred to?

Iota - is the concept good with interesting new ideas that can be coded out into a viable project if they had an expert coder on the team or is the entire thing techno babble that looks great to the average man but is essentially a pointless exercise that is only obvious to experts in the field?

How can cfb seemingly argue with anonymint about things and anonymint even acknowledge Iota as giving him food for thought (not sure he said exactly that ) if cfb (or his hired coder) isn't a good programmer or very knowledgeable in crytpo?

What i mean is if this coder is 3rd rate and the other is a 24yr old boy with no real experience in crypto how did they dream up something that has so many people on this board investing and hasn't anonymint and other experts just laughing at the nonsense of it all?


Should I be thankful i missed the ipo on this one or not?

If lots of other verified experts on here said they suspected the same as the OP then this would be too late now but at least everyone would know they got shafted. Let's bring them here

The NSA thinks otherwise...
https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/02/08/nsa-switches-to-quantum-resistant-cryptography/

@albert_mt, @VultureFund, @dadingsda and other normal people here

Guys, you waste your time and power on these imbitsil. He has himself said that he has a tumor in the brain. He's really a sick washed-up idiot. He and his losers and trolls are afraid of new technologies. They are trying to distorts the facts with outright blatant lies in this fucking crap thread. They are also trying to distort, just because they want to buy IOTA later as cheaply as possible. I guarantee!

Otherwise it wouldn't have been such a rush. Scam - forks of forks - is always quickly forgotten. There is not much to say, all is clear anyway. Believe me, this trolls - altcoinUK and other - they knows very well that IOTA is a serious extraordinary product. But...
They want later to buy as cheaply as possible.  

I will my IOTA not sell, but I will use it. Who knows who will remains after attack from quantum computers ... Then these trolls will say that they were misunderstood.

Soon there will be negotiations with the big companies. After recognition the liar understand that he has nothing achieved. Community minded, brainstorming going on in a gated community (you know where), on BTT we discuss almost anything. It is necessary to decide who goes to the IoT Forum to make available the presentation for the public.

Do not feed the fucking troll in his rubbish heap of manure.  

Leave him here to rot and stink. Let him envy, "bad BTC investor", soon he will call Bitcoin as scam, because he lost so many BTC on the stock exchange!

People are not stupid. You will not be able to mix up them to death.

Hey man, if you're 200% sure this is a big and well done P&D scam created by David and the belarussian guy, WHY THE FUCK DON'T YOU BOUGHT IN THE IPO?

Yes, now you'll say that you don't participate in scams and all that moral shit.

Stop lying, you don't know what the fuck are you talking about, you're just a Gadgetcoin shrimp that has seen how a fucking belarussian ruined your planned scam for that shitcoin.

Man, you really should make a public donation adress. You're looking so desesperate that you do shame to me. I think I'll give you some BTC when our golden baby touches the market....