Topic: IOTA - Unmoderated thread - page 62. (Read 70768 times)

Oh you idiot. He was right after all about the future of NXT. Regardless how many services, modules and nonsense "assets" NXT release it added nothing to the digital currency concept except a few scammers like yourself. NXT used by no real world businesses nor there any prospect it will be ever used. (even Bitcoin struggles with real world adoption). Now you try to replicate the NXT scam with IOTA. Pathetic really.

He is indeed a low life scammer. Which reasonable and normal person would release a private discussion?

Most of the sockpuppet accounts which are so "gutted" and so disappointed because they couldn't buy IOTA, but they can't wait to buy his shit on the exchanges are his accounts. As I said a typical Bobsurplus scam operation except that terms of moral this David boy is not even in the league of Bob, as Bob at least admitted openly that he is P&D operator.

Thank you for your civil post!


Fair enough, but I think an unmoderated thread is very much need for all projects in this crypto scenery. Transparency is one of the most important attributes of any crypto currency projects.

Moreover, my post and others' posts were deleted from the moderated thread and I have the habit of opening an unmoderated thread when some random scammer classifies my civil post as trolling and delete it.
I invest all kind of brick and mortar businesses. I invested several Internet of Things businesses here in the UK and US as well. Because of that I have been reading many business plans from the IoT sector. Note, the business plans are written by experienced software/hardware professionals with proven track record in IoT (no wonder and that explains why David boy and the hiding Belarusian have never presented a business plan). So I vent to their thread with the genuine interest in their IoT business proposition and posted a civil question about their experience and prospects of delivering a viable Internet of Things business. I understand very well what is required to succeed in the difficult, corporate driven and typically closed source IoT sector. They answered, then I pointed out they are not correct, it seems to me they don't have a clue how to create an Internet of Things business and then I was a troll, liar and my post was deleted. Then I did some research and now I understand we are dealing with low life scammers who present their blatant lies to lure money from the idiot and/or uninformed and/or greedy users.
So of course such unmoderated thread like this is not needles.


I explained above that I am not on a mission to convince the existing shills and "investors". I understand how this scam driven micrososmos works and why the sockpuppets, shills and "investors" are here.
This thread is for the uninformed users, the target audience of the planned IOTA P&D process. As you know the genius plan of the "investors" is to realize a 5x, 10x or even 100x ROI. The plan is, once the coin is on the exchange then pump it, and then dump it on the face of the bagholders (classic stuff really, there is nothing new there, we saw that many times). As you know as well, such ROI is only possible at the expense of naive and uninformed users who will buy into the hype of scammers which they will create with the moon talk, press release, Cointelegraph paid interviews and all those nonsense which is the part of any P&D.
So let the uninformed potential "investors" read all (pro & cons) opinion about IOTA in this thread. We help them to make the correct decision about whether to invest or not into such pathetic and desperate scam like IOTA is.

Why don't you just go ahead and do that?
(you already did that before on the Nxt forum - but I'd love the rest of this forum to see what a low-life you really are)


(do you really think that you can intimidate me?)

Be warned - if you ever use Skype with this guy he will publish anything you type!

(and for those who don't realise this is David using his old account - probably thinking he would somehow scare me with that)

@altcoinUK

Why do you "waste" so much energy in this thread? IPO is already over and the investors only can wait. And potentially investors in the future - well - they also have to wait. IF IOTA is a solid project you can´t preserve them to invest then and if IOTA is a scam/ CfB won´t deliver you don´t need to protect them.
I read some of your old posts and it doesn´t seem you are a bad person. So i won´t take side with you or BfC but this thread is needless imho.

Well, it breaks my heart that the participants of a fucking P&D scam are offended, but actually I have identified above five "investor" categories: idiots, uninformed, naive, wannabe rich and greedy users. Of course there is an overlap in most cases - please pick which is applicable to your case. My wild guess is you are in the overlapped categories of  No. 1 and No 5.


No. According to the shills, sockpupets, the Belarusian lead developer and the 24 years old founder of IOTA this thread isn't FUD. According to them this thread is a lie. How many times they screamed in this thread: lie, lie and lie.
However, as it always happens, magically and in a heartbeat this thread - according to the scammers - will be transformed to FUD once the P&D started. WTF, a rational individual would say, but yes, this thread then will be a FUD. The shills and sockpupets will amazingly forget in a heartbeat that this therad is a lie - suddenly they will tell that this thread spreads FUD, because we want to buy cheap IOTA (remember, according to them IOTA is the best thing what happened since sliced bread). In a moment, according to their mantra, we will be transformed from liars to clever speculators who FUD so hard because we really-really want their precious coin. At this moment in time (as you can read it above) we are penniless, alcoholic, drug addict, idiot liars, but interestingly once the P&D started we will be smart, level headed and calculating investors who spread FUD in order to buy cheap IOTA coins.
Anybody who seen the scams of this forum understands the anatomy of sockpuppet and shills operation. The sockpuppet and shills mantra will be: ohhhh, they just FUD because they want to buy our fantastic coin which of course will change the world, cure cancer and solve climate warming or in the case of IOTA revolutionize IoT and microprocessor manufacturing. And there will be a few naive, noobs users who believe this nonsense.

Do you understand how much damage scams like JINN and IOTA cause to the decentralized digital currency idea? Do you really want to be the "investor" of such an immoral and fraudulent operation?

altcoinuk! i told you in the GDC thread i am IOTA investor too. you are offending all IOTA investors with this thread. not everyone is idiot and blind. speculation is part of crypto. stop this FUD thread!!!

I copy here this before they delete it from the moderated thread, because like all scams do, they will realize soon that using so many sockpuppets is actually counter productive


LoL fing3rblist3r5 newbie sockpuppet is "gutted" he missed the initial offering. David, the IOTA CEO, the 24 years old business man is in action.

Newbie sockpuppet nicks post in the moderated IOTA thread how unfortunate they are that they missed the ICO and they really-really want to buy the coin. Classic scam operation: newbie sockpuppets must repeate the message that the coin is the best thing happened to humanity since sliced bread and they really-really want to buy it. Other newbie sockpuppet on the other day said when a user was unhappy about the lack of progress that how great such unhappiness is - he will be able to buy more coins. How many times we saw such scam nonsense from a newbie sockpuppet army in Bobsurplus' P&D operations? IOTA is in the very category of a classic Bobsurplus P&D (except at least Bob had the character to admit that he couldn't give a monkey about technology and he is a P&D operator)

The activity of Newbie sockpuppet nicks means the IOTA scam is in the desperate stage of projecting interest about the coin. Typical scam technics before the P&D start.

The thread you have posted (thanks for posting that), that he said he doesn't use BCT anymore demonstrates to everyone what he is -  a low life scammer.

Bitcoin emerged, very understandably Bitcoin generated interest all over the world and many of us subscribed to Satoshi's decentralized currency idea. Bitcoin seemed an important social and economic experiment. And then a few French, Russian and Belarusian scammers decided it is time to ride the Bitcoin waves and release a coin to lure money from the naive crowd. And then NXT born.

As you said the NXT money has dried up, so they released the JINN scam to get more money. The JINN money is gone too, so they try to scam with IOTA.

I can't believe what you have just said. On the other hand you are just a normal and average IOTA investor. Thank you for demonstrating the moral stand point and mentality of the IOTA scam: you are saying if you have the character, tools, resources and intellectual capability to come up with a blatant lie then stealing money from uninformed and naive people is absolutely fine and justified. (The blatant lie is that you are promising the delivery of a revolutionary microprocessor and an Internet of Things business while you have zero prospect, experience and infrastructure to deliver such)

Lie from notorious CFBitch .
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8764468


I use BitcoinTalk as I still need scam more fiat,coz Bitcoin has failed,NXT will replace it.
                                                                                                                    - CFB
 

Which is absolutely mind blowing, they are even proud that the first 70 or so realized a fantastic ROI with NXT. They should be ashamed and hiding that they scammed so many naive people, but no, they are proud of that. You can read in this thread, some of the shills and sockpuppets post proudly and openly here what a fantastic venture NXT was for the first few. David told me, I must stop the "blatant lies" about CfB, because his partner CfB delivered the best ROI in the history of crypto. Yes, he see the NXT scam as a plus on CfB' resume - that is the moral standard in the IOTA crowd. They never mention the wonderful ROI was realized at the expense of naive users who bought into the NXT P&D and hype nor they mention NXT - even if it is a large ecosystem - fundamentally added nothing to the crypto currency movement - except introduced the concept of ICO scam.

You are absolutely right, IOTA replicates the process: create a coin, this time package the coin in a popular theme such as Internet of Things, start the moon talk (the sockpuppet's moon talk about retirement funds has already started in their thread), get as many naive, uninformed wannabe rich and greedy people as possible to buy into the hype, dump the coin on them (i.e. "ROI").

Wow. I had to read this twice...

You should be shot on sight like the rabid dog that you are.

A.mazing.

Think about 73 sockpuppets for SCAM NXT!
Same for SCAM IOTA!

Again, I have to ask you for emphaty.

Which moral rules would you have, if you were a clever, responsible and ambitious guy, but you were born in a marginal environment? What whould be your feelings when you see some shitty idiots throwing away their money, throwing away food, while you're working hard for a fucking pennies to just help your family to SURVIVE? And all, because you just don't have the possiblity to enter to the fucking educational system!

Believe me, your moral convinctions would change radically.

That was my life until 3 years ago, when finally I had the possiblity to escape from that shit. And yes, am very proud to say this, even if you consider it as a crazy moral argument: CLEVER PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IGNORANT PEOPLE. GOOD CLEVER PEOPLE MUST HELP IGNORANTS TO ESCAPE FROM IT. BUT NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, AN IGNORANT CAN HAVE MORE POWER THAN A CLEVER PERSON


It's very easy to preach the good moral from a comfortable place man...

No. The empathy regarding to the scam projects is the recipe to bring even more disasters to the crypto currency idea.
 



Please be reasonable and don't ask me to put myself in the skin of low life scammers like the Belarusian java developer or the Scandinavian boy, but yes, if I think about such scenario then since I am all for the libertarian decentralized crypto currency idea, I would release my work for free of charge (just like many in the crypto domain did), and if I would really need this type of revenue then I would try to monetize on the ethical and free software.




In fact they have not created IOTA yet. They lied that they have been working on it for a year. They mislead their "investors" (again just like they did in the JINN project) that IOTA will be released by Christmas ... of course nothing was released by Christmas (just like there has been nothing created in the JINN project up to date). The bonus is, they promised an Internet of Things system and business, but they haven't even started to write the IoT system nor they have the skill and experience to do so. It rings me a bell of the Bitbay scam: Bitbay started to market the scam that "one of the main features" is an IoT system ... which feature was forgotten a long time ago. Not that the "investors" care about the IoT system at all - they are in the process to realize that dream ROI during the P&D.
(Lets don't even mention the poor quality java code the Belarusian produced so far. No comments, absolutely shockingly poor error and exception handling ... such shamble wouldn't even be accepted from a junior developer on his very first code review. Your lead developer doesn't even have the professional pride and he releases such collection of shit, because he knows it is a P&D and doesn't matter what he releases nor matters the quality of code. CIYAM is absolutely right: he is not even a fairly good developer, he can sell his mediocre skills only to the idiots in this surreal toxic microcosmos whom know nothing about software development and care only about the "ROI").




So are you saying you can scam uninformed and naive people, that's what you mean? I fully understand that is the mentality of all P&D scams that you deliver a life time lesson for noobs and naive people by stealing their money, but are you seriously using this as a moral argument or are you just trolling?

A short message for altcoin UK

EMPATHY

Do you know the meaning of that word? I seriously doubt it. Empathy is the base of all possible ethics.

Have you tried, just for a minute, to put yourself in the situation of these guys who are creating IOTA, specially the belarussian guy you call 3 times a post? (typical UK racism and arrogance, you'll never learn...).

Now, put yourself in their skin: You have created IOTA (SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND INNOVATIVE), and now you have to distribute the tokens. HEY, REMEMBER THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING HARD ON THIS, THIS IS NOT A COPY-PASTE OF ONE WORKING AFTERNOON.

Be sincere, what would you do? You would distribute the tokens and YOUR CREATION for free to everyone interested, right??

ICO's are the most fair distibution method here. ICO's allow EVERYONE to participate, geeks/ not geeks, white people/ black people, UK people/ rest of the world people, MINERS /NOT MINERS ...

And yes, it's true that ICO's allow and facilitate P&D schemes, but think about it a minute man: MOSTLY, WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE GETS HURT IN P&D SCHEMES?

Think about it ethically (if you have some kind of that), and stop saying shit about good people. YEAH, GOOD PEOPLE, EVEN IF WE DO SOME "BAD" THINGS.

That's why the scams could be successful, because a) the "investors" have no clue b) the "investors" understand the zero business feasibility of the projects like in the case JINN and IOTA, but couldn't care less as they hope some noobs, naive and uninformed users will buy into their P&D.

And that's why projects like NEM or CIYAM's project or your project which all try to find a real world and feasible use case for crypto are very important. Without a realistic use case - which I know you are trying to identify -  a project will only create controversy, bad press and disappointed bagholders.

Absolutely. There is no significant improvement and consequently there is no breakthrough in microprocessor design in the last 25 years. All major instruction sets (RISC, CISC, EDGE, EPIC, MISC, etc) has been around for a while and the combined over US$ 10 billion per year R&D budget of Intel, AMD, Samsung, Motorola, TI and IBM couldn't produce any new architectural microprocessor design in the last 20-30 years. Despite the most brilliant engineers and scientist are employed by those R&D departments there is no manufacturable breakthrough whatsoever. And then comes a 24 years old boy from Scandinavia with absolutely zero experience nor academic background in the sector and a java developer from Belarus. These two only achievement so far is the NXT scam which added absolutely nothing to Satoshi's decentralized idea. All experience they have is the "successful" money collecting party of NXT which yield a very nice "ROI" for the first few and created an army of bagholders at the end of the chain (like all scam does). These two (again with zero experience in the most difficult field of technology) announce that they will deliver a revolutionary, disruptive, asynchronous microprocessor design. They announce this on a Bitcoin talk forum to collect money from a few idiots who due to lack of experience and common sense in fact "invested" in these two scammers by believing that these two will create and sell a new microprocessor and then pay dividends. Now, if you see this in the Silicon Valley TV comedy then this is a hilariously funny story, but these two actually pulled out this scam with real people's real money.

It took 5 years for ATMEL using their unlimited financial power to get started the open source Arduino platform. The project cost a fortune for ATMEL so far. The 24 years old entrepreneur plus the java developer who hides in some Belarus basement in order to succeed essentially would have to be able to replicate that Arduino process/success with JINN, but not even on the hardware development platform (what Arduino is), but in the most difficult microprocessor domain. How realistic is that? Last time Intel could trigger such radical paradigm change with the x86 processor was back in the 80-s. There is precisely zero chance that the a java developer who is hiding in Belarus and a 24 years old boy (both of them have zero experience in the field) can replicate the success of Intel with a novel microporcessor project. Anybody who has anything to do with electronic engineering, hardware business and manufacturing understand this.

Now, they collect money for IOTA saying that the money goes to the JINN process. Of course that is nothing but a blatant scam. The JINN project is unrealistic (see above), they know that very well, therefore IOTA is nothing but a pathetic P&D operation to deliver some nice ROI to the greedy idiots who bought into the project. Note, since nothing business-worthy will be delivered the only way to create ROI is to find new idiots who will buy into the P&D. A classic scam, - we saw it many times over the last 3-4 years - and indeed very destructive to the crypto currency movement.