Topic: IOTA - Unmoderated thread - page 63. (Read 70784 times)
Anyway, it says a lot about the scam brigade, how the desperate IOTA shills and sockpuppets attack CIYAM. CIYAM is a respected developer, but the shills and sockpuppets - to support the Belarusian's scam - bring up all kind of personal attacks to discredit him. Nothing, new here. We saw during the Moolah, Bitbay, etc. scams that the "investors" (and of course their sockpuppets) are getting desperate while trying to keep the scam going.
CIYAM,tell us more truth about this idot. 
I think, CIYAM very wisely couldn't care less about the nonsenses of this low life Belarusian scammer nor CIYAM is concerned about the personal attacks of the IOTA shill/sockpuppets brigade. I guess you will get over the trauma as well that this scammer put you on ignore LoL
Well, guys, looks like we can jump straight to resume:
(In alphabetical order)
AltcoinUK, stop pulling lies out of your damaged brain, reality denial is so strong in your case that I don't doubt that your brain is damaged. Visit a doctor, now I feel that I went too hard on you, with 99% chance you are not responsible for your deeds and posts. If you want to continue talking to me then, please, provide a scanned document that you are mentally healthy. Without such the document I can't continue talking to you.
Blocktree, sorry, I didn't see what you posted, I put you on ignore after you failed to prove your lies (just like AltcoinUK). I hope those post were more sane than in the beginning of your carrier, at least as sane as during your Emule period. Anyway I'm not going to unignore you, you had only one chance.
CIYAM, I believe you are still a skilled engineer, such skills can't be lost no matter what habits you have. You have not much time left to realize your plans, spend this time wisely.
TPTB_need_war, I'm watching your threads with interest, I believe we'll cross our paths again.
All the others, this thread revealed real faces of some guys from the list above but failed to discuss Iota, I suggest you to create another unmoderated thread. See you.
(In alphabetical order)
AltcoinUK, stop pulling lies out of your damaged brain, reality denial is so strong in your case that I don't doubt that your brain is damaged. Visit a doctor, now I feel that I went too hard on you, with 99% chance you are not responsible for your deeds and posts. If you want to continue talking to me then, please, provide a scanned document that you are mentally healthy. Without such the document I can't continue talking to you.
Blocktree, sorry, I didn't see what you posted, I put you on ignore after you failed to prove your lies (just like AltcoinUK). I hope those post were more sane than in the beginning of your carrier, at least as sane as during your Emule period. Anyway I'm not going to unignore you, you had only one chance.
CIYAM, I believe you are still a skilled engineer, such skills can't be lost no matter what habits you have. You have not much time left to realize your plans, spend this time wisely.
TPTB_need_war, I'm watching your threads with interest, I believe we'll cross our paths again.
All the others, this thread revealed real faces of some guys from the list above but failed to discuss Iota, I suggest you to create another unmoderated thread. See you.
AltcoinUK, I suggest you focus on the message of why you think JINN labs is so unrealistic. And I also think you can refer to my decentralization thread for why (I think) Iota leads to centralization. Those seem to be strong arguments in your favor.
I think if you continue to assert the scam accusation and attack every aspect of Iota as entirely worthless, then you will lose credibility even IF you end up being correct about its ultimate failure. Those arguments appear to readers as vindictive.
But of course I can't tell you what to do. And perhaps I am mistaken about perceptions (but I doubt it).
I support your ethics and I also support your sober analysis of potential markets. I am just hoping you don't let CfB's ribbing incite you to turn it into a vendetta, which will then lower your own credibility. I know it is difficult in the heat of the moment, but try to think about that you can't protect every speculator from everything nor is that your role.
Balance.
I think if you continue to assert the scam accusation and attack every aspect of Iota as entirely worthless, then you will lose credibility even IF you end up being correct about its ultimate failure. Those arguments appear to readers as vindictive.
But of course I can't tell you what to do. And perhaps I am mistaken about perceptions (but I doubt it).
I support your ethics and I also support your sober analysis of potential markets. I am just hoping you don't let CfB's ribbing incite you to turn it into a vendetta, which will then lower your own credibility. I know it is difficult in the heat of the moment, but try to think about that you can't protect every speculator from everything nor is that your role.
Balance.
I am of course not saying you do, just to explain my motives, IMHO we can't say a P&D scam can be justified, just because something useful will be produced during the P&D scam. It is like one would argue that Auschwitz was not all evil because some medical research was derived from the experiments of those Nazis. No, Auschwitz and the Holocaust was evil, even if some innovation was produced there. IMHO there are clear boundaries exist for moral and ethics.
The bottom line is we need ethical projects - like hopefully yours will be - to take the decentralized crypto currency idea to the mass, and money collecting, P&D operations like JINN and IOTA are hurtful for the decentralized crypto currency idea.
Don' t compare a hardware/software project with Auschwitz in any shape or form, it is very disrespectfull. You should be ashamed of yourself, same goes for tptb in approving this behaviour.
I'm all for an open discussion, but stick to the facts and provide proof.
btw. there is a lot of interest in quantum resistant encryption:
https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/
https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/
That is not an adoption market.
can you elaborate why?
to me it seems the nsa is pushing us companies strongly for a transition.
That most of the world can't even look forward more than 1 quarter of a year (read upthread too for more context), should be indicative of the near-term priorities of corporations.
And the masses have no clue about this.
btw. there is a lot of interest in quantum resistant encryption:
https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/
https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/
That is not an adoption market.
can you elaborate why?
to me it seems the nsa is pushing us companies strongly for a transition.
btw. there is a lot of interest in quantum resistant encryption:
https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/
https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/
That is not an adoption market.
I agree it is possible to sell a P&D (no adoption) about quantum resistance to speculators.
you ppl know what they say about blind chickens?
altcoinuk is just a serial lier and idiot.
btw. there is a lot of interest in quantum resistant encryption:
https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/
altcoinuk is just a serial lier and idiot.
btw. there is a lot of interest in quantum resistant encryption:
https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/
I got you ...
I understand like all scammers do, you like to ignore the most important questions about your genius business plan, but the question remains the same. Just like with NXT where the first few realized a very nice ROI, but now there are thousands of bagholders who bought into the hype, now you are mirroring the process with JINN and IOTA, which process will naturally create many disappointed bagholders and more importantly financial loss for many. The difference is that at least NXT is a serious ecosystem terms of features - not because of you but despite you and it is used by nobody in the real world but that is another matter - while JINN and IOTA will never ever deliver anything else than your few pathetic java source files. It will be no JINN microprocessor - you failed to deliver that already. And there will be no IoT business - you have no skill and prospect to deliver that. So what about the inevitable bagholders who will buy into the hype of your army of sockpuppets, shills and cheerleaders?
Again, considering the shitcoins you pump and dump, maybe you should stop wasting money on dogs like reboots of scams and just take your meds. We already understand that you are loser in life and crypto. No need to show up and embarrass yourself.
this is a complete fucking insanity to compare the development of revolutionary technologies with Holocaust
I have not heard a delusional arguments and comparisons.
It looks like this guy really loves BDSM and far from understanding the real thing. All his chatter, there is one lie.
I have not heard a delusional arguments and comparisons.
It looks like this guy really loves BDSM and far from understanding the real thing. All his chatter, there is one lie.
He is making that stark analogy because he believes JINN is a scam and he believes scams are destructive to the crypto landscape.
The "reality denial" and 'BDSM' attacks are vindictive, not factual, and lowering the credibility of those who issued them.
This is not an appeal to authority, but rather a discussion of ideas. Those who attack individuals who raise strong ideas are weak on strong ideas.
I agree with AltcoinUK that the only way to monetize quantum resistance at this time is probably selling it to speculators. I don't think there are any adoption markets that care enough yet. Perhaps not absolutely true, but seems roughly correct.
"Lowering the credibility" only for those who are blatantly lying and says black on white and those who believe in a baseless lie.
I was not disappointed in Jinn. But I do not have thousands of them. The devs are working, I know it and there is also good results.
I agree with AltcoinUK...
You seem to be the only person who takes his words seriously at this stage.
this is a complete fucking insanity to compare the development of revolutionary technologies with Holocaust
I have not heard a delusional arguments and comparisons.
It looks like this guy really loves BDSM and far from understanding the real thing. All his chatter, there is one lie.
I have not heard a delusional arguments and comparisons.
It looks like this guy really loves BDSM and far from understanding the real thing. All his chatter, there is one lie.
He is making that stark analogy because he believes JINN is a scam and he believes scams are destructive to the crypto landscape.
The "reality denial" and 'BDSM' attacks are vindictive, not factual, and lowering the credibility of those who issued them.
This is not an appeal to authority, but rather a discussion of ideas. Those who attack individuals who raise strong ideas are weak on strong ideas.
I agree with AltcoinUK that the only way to monetize quantum resistance at this time is probably selling it to speculators. I don't think there are any adoption markets that care enough yet. Perhaps not absolutely true, but seems roughly correct.
AltcoinUK, I suggest you focus on the message of why you think JINN labs is so unrealistic. And I also think you can refer to my decentralization thread for why (I think) Iota leads to centralization. Those seem to be strong arguments in your favor.
I think if you continue to assert the scam accusation and attack every aspect of Iota as entirely worthless, then you will lose credibility even IF you end up being correct about its ultimate failure. Those arguments appear to readers as vindictive.
But of course I can't tell you what to do. And perhaps I am mistaken about perceptions (but I doubt it).
I support your ethics and I also support your sober analysis of potential markets. I am just hoping you don't let CfB's ribbing incite you to turn it into a vendetta, which will then lower your own credibility. I know it is difficult in the heat of the moment, but try to think about that you can't protect every speculator from everything nor is that your role.
Balance.
I think if you continue to assert the scam accusation and attack every aspect of Iota as entirely worthless, then you will lose credibility even IF you end up being correct about its ultimate failure. Those arguments appear to readers as vindictive.
But of course I can't tell you what to do. And perhaps I am mistaken about perceptions (but I doubt it).
I support your ethics and I also support your sober analysis of potential markets. I am just hoping you don't let CfB's ribbing incite you to turn it into a vendetta, which will then lower your own credibility. I know it is difficult in the heat of the moment, but try to think about that you can't protect every speculator from everything nor is that your role.
Balance.
I am of course not saying you do, just to explain my motives, IMHO we can't say a P&D scam can be justified, just because something useful will be produced during the P&D scam. It is like one would argue that Auschwitz was not all evil because some medical research was derived from the experiments of those Nazis. No, Auschwitz and the Holocaust was evil, even if some innovation was produced there. IMHO there are clear boundaries exist for moral and ethics.
The bottom line is we need ethical projects - like hopefully yours will be - to take the decentralized crypto currency idea to the mass, and money collecting, P&D operations like JINN and IOTA are hurtful for the decentralized crypto currency idea.
this is a complete fucking insanity to compare the development of revolutionary technologies with Holocaust
I have not heard a delusional arguments and comparisons.
It looks like this guy really loves BDSM and far from understanding the real thing. All his chatter, there is one lie.
Quantum computers are a big problem to the existence of bitcoin and other altcoin.
No, they are not a big problem at all.
In fact that is only a subject of academic papers at this moment in time and cannot be a building stone of a viable start-up business that by definition needs to generate revenue. Again, a good looking package to lure out money from idiots, but in fact it is absurd to say (i.e scam) that you will build a viable business by delivering a quantum safe digital currency. In reality, even Bitcoin failed to find its way to the mass, so the quantum computers are the smallest problems of decentralized digital currency.
To use an analogy so you would understand how ridiculous is to build a business by addressing the Quantum computers problem, it is like, that I would present a business plan which ask investment to build an extra 50,000 retirement homes because sometimes later, we don't know when but at some point in the future the life expectancy will be 110 years and therefore presumably we will need a lot more retirement homes.
Go and ask investment from a technology angel investor or venture capitalist for a quantum safe digital currency. You will see the reaction. Such absurd unique selling point (USP) can be presented only in this irrational microcosmos where wannabe rich idiots give their 1-2 BTC "investments" for all kind of nonsenses.
Quantum computers already exist, technology development is accelerating exponentially and software development should go ahead of the curve. Idiots - these are the shit-investors who, like ostriches with noggin in the sand not to notice the obvious
--- 50,000 retirement homes ---
strange analogy, but the fact is that right now in Europe do not have enough nursing homes, and they are terribly expensive. It is a fact.
--- Go and ask investment from a technology angel investor or venture capitalist for a quantum safe digital currency. ---
Based on this logic one would normally use and now 286 computer and Windows 3.0 and does not afraid of attacks from the network. It would be an idiot who does not believe in facts.
We can also eliminate psychology from the list of your possible talents.
What else do you have to offer?
Obviously, reality denial is his strongest talent, it explains everything, even those lies.
Arguing that quantum resistance is not a feature that some people are interested in, is like arguing that females shouldn't like Beanie Babies. People like what they like. I am also interested in quantum resistance, as is the venerable Daniel Bernstein.
I never argued that people are not interested in quantum resistance nor I argued they should not be interested. Of course it is an exciting and important academic subject. What I said was, a business plan which USP is a quantum resistant digital currency and the monetization of such quantum resistant digital currency is a delusion. It sounds wonderful in this scam driven microcosms and it is a perfect wrap for a money collecting operation, but there is no monetization route for a quantum resistant digital currency at this moment in time. But you know that better than I do and anybody else does here.
I was just gonna say that you need to improve your skills a lot, but obviously AnonyMint took the bait.
...but there is no monetization route for a quantum resistant digital currency at this moment in time.
Strong point. Not absolute, but strong IMO.
Arguing that quantum resistance is not a feature that some people are interested in, is like arguing that females shouldn't like Beanie Babies. People like what they like. I am also interested in quantum resistance, as is the venerable Daniel Bernstein.
I never argued that people are not interested in quantum resistance nor I argued they should not be interested. Of course it is an exciting and important academic subject. What I said was, a business plan which USP is a quantum resistant digital currency and the monetization of such quantum resistant digital currency is a delusion. It sounds wonderful in this scam driven microcosms and it is a perfect wrap for a money collecting operation, but there is no monetization route for a quantum resistant digital currency at this moment in time. But you know that better than I do and anybody else does here.
AltcoinUK please be aware that CfB is taking advantage of your weaknesses, which is that you get inflamed and then you overstep from good/strong arguments to weaker or even unsupported/incorrect arguments.
To be honest, and I am sure you can see that, I couldn't give a monkey about what a Belarusian serial scammer think or say about me. The readers of this thread, the potential buyer of their coin (which is of course according to David not a coin and not even and investment product, so WTF will be traded on the exchanges is an other matter), so the target audience of the IOTA P&D will read the trolling of the Belarusian in this thread, they will read my arguments why I think IOTA is a scam, the readers will read your well balanced opinion, they witness the shilling and cheerleading of sockpuppets and they will decide whether they are interested to contribute to that wonderful process or not.
As I am sure it came cross by now that I believe money collecting parties and P&D operations such as IOTA are cancer in crypto. If the public see that differently so be it. I am very disappointed where we are after 6 years of hard work with decentralized crypto currency which supposed to be a libertarian concept that changes the society, but in fact it is the play ground of money grabber software developers like this Belarusian. That's not right and the least we can do to warn the public about scams like Moolah, Bitbay or Banxshare was and IOTA is.
We can also eliminate psychology from the list of your possible talents.
What else do you have to offer?
AltcoinUK please be aware that CfB is taking advantage of your weaknesses, which is that you get inflamed and then you overstep from good/strong arguments to weaker or even unsupported/incorrect arguments.
To be honest, and I am sure you can see that, I couldn't give a monkey about what a Belarusian serial scammer think or say about me. The readers of this thread, the potential buyer of their coin (which is of course according to David not a coin and not even and investment product, so WTF will be traded on the exchanges is an other matter), so the target audience of the IOTA P&D will read the trolling of the Belarusian in this thread, they will read my arguments why I think IOTA is a scam, the readers will read your well balanced opinion, they witness the shilling and cheerleading of sockpuppets and they will decide whether they are interested to contribute to that wonderful process or not.
As I am sure it came cross by now that I believe money collecting parties and P&D operations such as IOTA are cancer in crypto. If the public see that differently so be it. I am very disappointed where we are after 6 years of hard work with decentralized crypto currency which supposed to be a libertarian concept that changes the society, but in fact it is the play ground of money grabber software developers like this Belarusian. That's not right and the least we can do to warn the public about scams like Moolah, Bitbay or Banxshare was and IOTA is.
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