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Quote from: JSRAW on April 06, 2020, 09:19:55 PM

In short BCCI pay almost 10k professional cricketers including retired cricketers.

As far as I know, contracts are not offered to domestic players. Their earnings mostly composes of match fees. But at the end of every season, the BCCI pays them a fixed amount (surplus from the budget). These are the match fees for domestic players:

4 day matches (Ranji Trophy): ₹160,000 per match
ODI and T20 matches: ₹40,000 per match

U-19 and U-16 ODIs: ₹12,000 per match
U-23 ODIs: ₹40,000 per match

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 09:33:00 AM

The virtual IPL has started. Can we have a Pool for that ?
I guess it will keep the things interesting and we can enjoy despite being in lock down.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 05:23:53 AM

I got an email from sportsbet has launched a simulated version of IPL to bet on the matches. The results of these matches will be based upon AI.
So, we can also watch these simulated matches too or you will only show the result ?

Interesting. I haven't checked sportsbet for a while. Will do later tonight. But how AI will detect the result is a big question. Will it be based previous records of players? If available, can you please share some blog from sportsbet on this?
Regarding pool, I don't think it's possible because superbru won't have that option as the actual tournament is yet to be started.

Here you go.

Doesn't sound too cool TBH. Who will verify that Sportsbet isn't cheating? I know they are such a reputed site that they won't go cheating but still as long as you don't have any clue whether they are cheating or not, I wouldn't recommend to bet.
On the other hand, if AI get the results from historical matches, it's pretty easy to build an AI for yourself with all the available data from IPL and bet as per your result, in that way, you can beat their AI, however, if the result doesn't be the same as sportsbet, they will definitely be cheating but there will be no way to claim that.

To tell you truth i also do not know how the algorithm will work at the back ground. Anyone here betting on sportsbet on this virtual IPL matches can better share the experience with us. I was excited to get the email about this from sportsbet but look like it will not be successfully among the gamblers.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 10:40:05 AM

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 09:33:00 AM

The virtual IPL has started. Can we have a Pool for that ?
I guess it will keep the things interesting and we can enjoy despite being in lock down.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 05:23:53 AM

I got an email from sportsbet has launched a simulated version of IPL to bet on the matches. The results of these matches will be based upon AI.
So, we can also watch these simulated matches too or you will only show the result ?

Interesting. I haven't checked sportsbet for a while. Will do later tonight. But how AI will detect the result is a big question. Will it be based previous records of players? If available, can you please share some blog from sportsbet on this?
Regarding pool, I don't think it's possible because superbru won't have that option as the actual tournament is yet to be started.

Here you go.

Doesn't sound too cool TBH. Who will verify that Sportsbet isn't cheating? I know they are such a reputed site that they won't go cheating but still as long as you don't have any clue whether they are cheating or not, I wouldn't recommend to bet.
On the other hand, if AI get the results from historical matches, it's pretty easy to build an AI for yourself with all the available data from IPL and bet as per your result, in that way, you can beat their AI, however, if the result doesn't be the same as sportsbet, they will definitely be cheating but there will be no way to claim that.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 09:33:00 AM

The virtual IPL has started. Can we have a Pool for that ?
I guess it will keep the things interesting and we can enjoy despite being in lock down.
~snip~

Where in sportsbet? Can't find the section... Cricket section seems empty to me or i am missing something here?

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Quote from: teosanru on April 06, 2020, 11:05:14 AM

cost of living and purchasing power in India and Australia.
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we have 37 first-class sides and each of these sides have U-16, U-19, U-23 and Women's teams. The domestic cricket structure in India is huge

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In short BCCI pay almost 10k professional cricketers including retired cricketers.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on April 06, 2020, 02:15:55 PM

If they do not cheat with the AI, then it would mean that the results will be based on the pervious performance of the players and team. So if anyone who can analysis properly the past performance, they could predict the right winner of most of the matches.

If they are taking into consideration the past results and performance then Chennai Super Kings and Mumbai Indians will be the strongest teams and MS Dhoni is the best captain in the IPL and when it comes to the number of runs scored Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina and Rohit Sharma and even if they have all the data how can we expect the outcome to be fair. Will see how it goes and then will plan on waging a bet.

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Quote from: teosanru on April 06, 2020, 11:05:14 AM

Looks like sportsbet are going to continue betting no matter if matches happen in real or not Grin

they have found a new way to keep minting money. But I think this would be really partial. Wouldn't they automatically make the team on which they earn more win? I mean it's really awkward AI could be biased towards the house? Let's see what's the response of gamblers on such a thing personally i didn't liked it even a bit.

If they do not cheat with the AI, then it would mean that the results will be based on the pervious performance of the players and team. So if anyone who can analysis properly the past performance, they could predict the right winner of most of the matches.

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Quote from: teosanru on April 06, 2020, 11:05:14 AM

I think it's primarily due to differences of cost of living and purchasing power in India and Australia. A million dollar in India has much more purchasing power than $1.469 Million in Australia. Maybe this is why it looks like this to you. This is the sole reason why Indian celebrities look underpaid in front of there US counterparts even though Indian celebrities have crazy fan following.

Nope... I never said that the Indian players are underpaid. That is how the system in India works.

In India, we have 37 first-class sides and each of these sides have U-16, U-19, U-23 and Women's teams. The domestic cricket structure in India is huge, and it is almost 10 times the size of any other nation. The BCCI has to support huge number of players (many thousands) and they need to pay for facilities, scorers, umpires, curators.etc. So the national players are paid a smaller percentage of the total revenues when compared to the other countries.

In Australia, they have only 6 first-class sides. So a larger proportion of the revenues can be paid to the national players. That said, Indian players earn much more than the Australians or the Brits, from various sponsorship and endorsements.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 09:33:00 AM

The virtual IPL has started. Can we have a Pool for that ?
I guess it will keep the things interesting and we can enjoy despite being in lock down.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 05:23:53 AM

I got an email from sportsbet has launched a simulated version of IPL to bet on the matches. The results of these matches will be based upon AI.
So, we can also watch these simulated matches too or you will only show the result ?

Looks like sportsbet are going to continue betting no matter if matches happen in real or not Grin

they have found a new way to keep minting money. But I think this would be really partial. Wouldn't they automatically make the team on which they earn more win? I mean it's really awkward AI could be biased towards the house? Let's see what's the response of gamblers on such a thing personally i didn't liked it even a bit.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 29, 2020, 09:13:36 AM

Can I slightly take this discussion off-topic? Because I want to have a debate about the player salaries.

I came across this article recently:

https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1123792/who-gets-paid-what-in-cricket

And I was surprised to learn that the annual contract pay for Steve Smith ($1.469 million) was greater than that of Virat Kohli ($1 million). And even more surprising is the fact that within the Indian team, the individual with the highest package is the coach Ravi Shastri (popularly called "Damaadji" in India), with a package of $1.17 million per year.

Here is how Shastri's salary compare with the salary of other coaches:

I think it's primarily due to differences of cost of living and purchasing power in India and Australia. A million dollar in India has much more purchasing power than $1.469 Million in Australia. Maybe this is why it looks like this to you. This is the sole reason why Indian celebrities look underpaid in front of there US counterparts even though Indian celebrities have crazy fan following.

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Quote from: RapTarX on April 06, 2020, 09:50:17 AM

Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 09:33:00 AM

The virtual IPL has started. Can we have a Pool for that ?
I guess it will keep the things interesting and we can enjoy despite being in lock down.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 05:23:53 AM

I got an email from sportsbet has launched a simulated version of IPL to bet on the matches. The results of these matches will be based upon AI.
So, we can also watch these simulated matches too or you will only show the result ?

Interesting. I haven't checked sportsbet for a while. Will do later tonight. But how AI will detect the result is a big question. Will it be based previous records of players? If available, can you please share some blog from sportsbet on this?
Regarding pool, I don't think it's possible because superbru won't have that option as the actual tournament is yet to be started.

Here you go.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 09:33:00 AM

The virtual IPL has started. Can we have a Pool for that ?
I guess it will keep the things interesting and we can enjoy despite being in lock down.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 05:23:53 AM

I got an email from sportsbet has launched a simulated version of IPL to bet on the matches. The results of these matches will be based upon AI.
So, we can also watch these simulated matches too or you will only show the result ?

Interesting. I haven't checked sportsbet for a while. Will do later tonight. But how AI will detect the result is a big question. Will it be based previous records of players? If available, can you please share some blog from sportsbet on this?
Regarding pool, I don't think it's possible because superbru won't have that option as the actual tournament is yet to be started.

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The virtual IPL has started. Can we have a Pool for that ?
I guess it will keep the things interesting and we can enjoy despite being in lock down.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 06, 2020, 05:23:53 AM

I got an email from sportsbet has launched a simulated version of IPL to bet on the matches. The results of these matches will be based upon AI.
So, we can also watch these simulated matches too or you will only show the result ?

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 29, 2020, 09:13:36 AM

And I was surprised to learn that the annual contract pay for Steve Smith ($1.469 million) was greater than that of Virat Kohli ($1 million).

This Article and numbers focus on contract only so annual contract is not solid criteria for complete picture IMO if we are analyzing total income.

Indian cricketers earn less in annual contract but their majority of income comes from endorsement and this not apply for foreign cricketers, for example if we check Virat's annual income then he earns approx $20-24 M annually alone from endorsements (We can add annual contract too)so they are okay with it. In comparison Steve Smith only earn $4-5 Million and Australian players were fighting with CA ( 2017-2018 salary dispute which was led by David warner) over annual salary because they don't gets much endorsements.

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Can I slightly take this discussion off-topic? Because I want to have a debate about the player salaries.

I came across this article recently:

https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1123792/who-gets-paid-what-in-cricket

And I was surprised to learn that the annual contract pay for Steve Smith ($1.469 million) was greater than that of Virat Kohli ($1 million). And even more surprising is the fact that within the Indian team, the individual with the highest package is the coach Ravi Shastri (popularly called "Damaadji" in India), with a package of $1.17 million per year.

Here is how Shastri's salary compare with the salary of other coaches:

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Wear n95 masks ad stay away from any individuals while you are working.Be safe buddy.

Thanks for the concern. My work will be ensuring the proper movement of essential goods and services in the state, mostly supervising work. So, I guess that I would be roaming around the city in the vehicle allotted. And I heard that the vehicles are disinfected daily and that they will provide masks. But the one thing that I learned is that using N95 Masks/Respirators are not advisable to be used unless you are a health care personnel, who attend to the infected or having respiratory issues. It just gives you false hope to the user and unnecessary usage will only result in the hike of mask prices. The most effective recommendation from WHO is maintaining hand hygiene and social distancing. Check:- https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks.

I will say don't risk your life,wear mask when you are at outside environment because it is proves that virus can be alive in the air for 3 to 4 hours so who knows it may hit you while you are roaming and at the time if you don't have any mask on then it will straightly go inside.

Of course, I am going to use the mask when they are given by the Government for free. But, COVID 19 ranges < 0.2 microns and travels via aerosols particles of the size range 0.5 - 3 microns resultant from coughing or sneezing, while the respirators can only filter particles >0.3 microns. Maybe it will block the aerosols not the virus. I believe that it's a common misconception that masks/respirators are going to protect us from viruses.
Anyways, sorry for derailing this topic towards Corona. Let's stick to the possibility of having IPL this year.

Edit: Got some facts wrong edited accordingly.

What I am aware of is tha the virus is the size of 1/5 of water molecule, so mask is useless if you think it will prevent you from this virus but, it is beneficial to others if you already have the virus and do not want others to have it. The only preventive measure that you can take is to stop putting your hand on you face. Which of course is difficult as we tend to put our hands 23 times on our face in one hour.

That's why the emphasis is on cleaning our hands constantly with sanitizer or soap.

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Quote from: mersal on March 26, 2020, 09:50:44 AM

Wear n95 masks ad stay away from any individuals while you are working.Be safe buddy.

Thanks for the concern. My work will be ensuring the proper movement of essential goods and services in the state, mostly supervising work. So, I guess that I would be roaming around the city in the vehicle allotted. And I heard that the vehicles are disinfected daily and that they will provide masks. But the one thing that I learned is that using N95 Masks/Respirators are not advisable to be used unless you are a health care personnel, who attend to the infected or having respiratory issues. It just gives you false hope to the user and unnecessary usage will only result in the hike of mask prices. The most effective recommendation from WHO is maintaining hand hygiene and social distancing. Check:- https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks.

I will say don't risk your life,wear mask when you are at outside environment because it is proves that virus can be alive in the air for 3 to 4 hours so who knows it may hit you while you are roaming and at the time if you don't have any mask on then it will straightly go inside.

Of course, I am going to use the mask when they are given by the Government for free. But, COVID 19 ranges < 0.2 microns and travels via aerosols particles of the size range 0.5 - 3 microns resultant from coughing or sneezing, while the respirators can only filter particles >0.3 microns. Maybe it will block the aerosols not the virus. I believe that it's a common misconception that masks/respirators are going to protect us from viruses.
Anyways, sorry for derailing this topic towards Corona. Let's stick to the possibility of having IPL this year.

Edit: Got some facts wrong edited accordingly.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on March 28, 2020, 11:51:49 PM

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on March 28, 2020, 11:25:53 AM

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Its now very clear that there will be no IPL this year. The world is unable to deal with coronavirus and i doubt that we can even see any sports for 3 -4 money after the virus disappeared, as a precautionary measure.

Possibly without any spectators it may happens but we are not sure how long it will take to completely eradicate this virus.And also more research coming that corona 19 can end up as seasonal attack like sars so it may disappears as how it appears in most unexpected way but at the same time it may attack the people next season which maybe months or years.

If you remember, the PSL last few matches were played without any spectators , but there were also not risk free. We had the news that one of the Players of a certain league showed the symptoms of coronavirus and the tournament was immediately stopped.
The idea of playing without spectators is good one, but this virus is far more dangerous and no player would want to take any risk.

I am not saying that we need to have IPL at the moment without any spectators, oly if virus is under control and there is no more lockdown situation still tournaments have to be played without spectators.

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Wear n95 masks ad stay away from any individuals while you are working.Be safe buddy.

Thanks for the concern. My work will be ensuring the proper movement of essential goods and services in the state, mostly supervising work. So, I guess that I would be roaming around the city in the vehicle allotted. And I heard that the vehicles are disinfected daily and that they will provide masks. But the one thing that I learned is that using N95 Masks/Respirators are not advisable to be used unless you are a health care personnel, who attend to the infected or having respiratory issues. It just gives you false hope to the user and unnecessary usage will only result in the hike of mask prices. The most effective recommendation from WHO is maintaining hand hygiene and social distancing. Check:- https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks.

I will say don't risk your life,wear mask when you are at outside environment because it is proves that virus can be alive in the air for 3 to 4 hours so who knows it may hit you while you are roaming and at the time if you don't have any mask on then it will straightly go inside.

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Quote from: mersal on March 26, 2020, 09:50:44 AM

Wear n95 masks ad stay away from any individuals while you are working.Be safe buddy.

Thanks for the concern. My work will be ensuring the proper movement of essential goods and services in the state, mostly supervising work. So, I guess that I would be roaming around the city in the vehicle allotted. And I heard that the vehicles are disinfected daily and that they will provide masks. But the one thing that I learned is that using N95 Masks/Respirators are not advisable to be used unless you are a health care personnel, who attend to the infected or having respiratory issues. It just gives you false hope to the user and unnecessary usage will only result in the hike of mask prices. The most effective recommendation from WHO is maintaining hand hygiene and social distancing. Check:- https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on March 28, 2020, 11:25:53 AM

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Its now very clear that there will be no IPL this year. The world is unable to deal with coronavirus and i doubt that we can even see any sports for 3 -4 money after the virus disappeared, as a precautionary measure.

This would be the most possible outcome. Earlier it was discussed that to avoid Players travel across states, the matches are to be restricted to Maharastra as the state has 3 stadiums in Mumbai and 1 in Pune. But at the moment, Maharastra reports the highest number of COVID 19 affected cases in the Country. With the current increasing numbers, I believe the nationwide lockdown in India until April 14 will be extended and we'll have to forget IPL for this year.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on March 28, 2020, 11:25:53 AM

snip...

Its now very clear that there will be no IPL this year. The world is unable to deal with coronavirus and i doubt that we can even see any sports for 3 -4 money after the virus disappeared, as a precautionary measure.

Possibly without any spectators it may happens but we are not sure how long it will take to completely eradicate this virus.And also more research coming that corona 19 can end up as seasonal attack like sars so it may disappears as how it appears in most unexpected way but at the same time it may attack the people next season which maybe months or years.

If you remember, the PSL last few matches were played without any spectators , but there were also not risk free. We had the news that one of the Players of a certain league showed the symptoms of coronavirus and the tournament was immediately stopped.
The idea of playing without spectators is good one, but this virus is far more dangerous and no player would want to take any risk.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on March 28, 2020, 11:25:53 AM

snip...

Its now very clear that there will be no IPL this year. The world is unable to deal with coronavirus and i doubt that we can even see any sports for 3 -4 money after the virus disappeared, as a precautionary measure.

Possibly without any spectators it may happens but we are not sure how long it will take to completely eradicate this virus.And also more research coming that corona 19 can end up as seasonal attack like sars so it may disappears as how it appears in most unexpected way but at the same time it may attack the people next season which maybe months or years.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 28, 2020, 12:08:35 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 27, 2020, 11:50:26 AM

BTW, you guys need to take a look at this:

https://www.insidesport.co/no-insurance-protection-against-coronavirus-to-ipl-stakeholders-insurance-expert/

Cheeky insurance company Grin

How can the insurance companies run away from this and do not cover the coronavirus ? The life insurance or medical insurance covers everything including coronavirus. Now these insurance companies seems to be in trouble as number of deaths started to increase. I think government should take action on it and players insurance should be protected against coronavirus.

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