now I do not understand anything. update is made to not accused of fraud? maybe they are working? who tested the Mass Android Browser?
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Check out the latest update from Alexander Kuzmin,it seems development is still on going and in progress but I still wonder why he is not posting here where some of it's investors are here and this is where investors and users get their update,i don't know if he just wants to come out clean here ..
You mean this: https://blog.mass.network/mass-update-feb-25/
Wow, they somehow remembered they have a project, and also ionvestors, who have to be calmed down... What a coincidence...
.Well, they decided to post an update now so we shut the f**k up. Looks like they want to imitate progress.
They have to post here, and answer concerns here, or at least on mass.userecho.com, or official Kuzmin's accounts.
Posting on that website means nothing. I suspect the news article is written by Kontegna again. Clearly its his style of writing.
You are right it comes from kortegna my friend send it to me it comes from kortegna's message,the timing is not right,we are in the middle of the investigation and he posted this,so to stop the investigation and makes us believe that the project is still ongoing which is not the case.
https://blog.mass.network/mass-update-feb-25/
It is advised to advertise the project and at the same time ignoring all requests of investors? Kuzmin mocks us?
It is advised to advertise the project and at the same time ignoring all requests of investors? Kuzmin mocks us?
Check out the latest update from Alexander Kuzmin,it seems development is still on going and in progress but I still wonder why he is not posting here where some of it's investors are here and this is where investors and users get their update,i don't know if he just wants to come out clean here ..
This update Is shit. Do you believe it would've happened if there hasn't been all this scam protests?
It actually doesn't say anything of any value.
I want an update that details the entire project team and new roadmap. I also want a platform to communicate with Kuzmin.
Check out the latest update from Alexander Kuzmin,it seems development is still on going and in progress but I still wonder why he is not posting here where some of it's investors are here and this is where investors and users get their update,i don't know if he just wants to come out clean here ..
He is just saying "don't panic and recommend mass browser to others".But the browser is still (imo ) not in a final version and must be further developed - nothing about this (except the new languages). Is there still a dev working on it?
And word of mouth is not a real marketing strategy. Why not make a real one using the ico funds?
And nothing about a mass wallet or mycelium integration.
Check out the latest update from Alexander Kuzmin,it seems development is still on going and in progress but I still wonder why he is not posting here where some of it's investors are here and this is where investors and users get their update,i don't know if he just wants to come out clean here ..
You mean this: https://blog.mass.network/mass-update-feb-25/
Wow, they somehow remembered they have a project, and also some angry investors, who have to be calmed down... What a coincidence...
.Well, they decided to post an update now so we shut the f**k up. Looks like they want to imitate progress.
They have to post here, and answer concerns here, or at least on mass.userecho.com, or official Kuzmin's accounts.
Posting on that website means nothing. I suspect the news article is written by Kontegna again. Clearly its his style of writing.
Check out the latest update from Alexander Kuzmin,it seems development is still on going and in progress but I still wonder why he is not posting here where some of it's investors are here and this is where investors and users get their update,i don't know if he just wants to come out clean here ..
Oh, I found this post from "massnetwork":
You can easily find and contact advisory board members since they are quite well known in their fields (and ask them whether we are real
). Good point about the links, though. Will add.
Only two of our team members have real life connection to Russia, so there's no reason for us to base there. Take me, for example (Alexey). I have a Russian name, live in Latvia, and (imagine we set up the facility in Russia) if I want to go to Moscow by car it will turn out to be farther than Warsaw because I have to waste few hours on the EU/Russia border.
I answered the question about escrow above in this thread: the escrow people are to be elected by Advisory Board voting once all of the members have signed up. And we're still expecting at least two important members. Should be done by the next week, though.
This 100% proves the "massnetwork" account belongs to Alexey Oshchepkov, while he denied that in his last post, saying "I never controlled any accounts belonging to the company including those in social media." !
And that, in its turn, one more time proves Oshchepkov blatantly lies, when he tells he did not control MASS social media accounts (forum is a social media, right?), and also when he tells he was not working on MASS since September.
In fact, he was organizing the ICO during the whole time it was running (August-November 2016), and introduced the 55% late-investor bonus. This is proved by the post below made in November.
they are saying they will explain.
I hope so. Otherwise this is just massive ignorance on mass network. You don't screw over existing shareholders. This is equivalent to massive dilution and unheard of.
This is what was meant. It's going to be on the website soon (pls accept our apologies we might have some delays during the weekend):
1) Let us express the apology for the confusion and explain the procedures.
2) If you are eligible for any of the previous bonuses, the amounts invested before upgrades according to the following +15% schedule:
(a) 25 August 2016 (00:00:00) - 15 September 2016 (11:59:59) PST — 45% —> 60%
(b) 15 September 2016 (12:00:00) - 30 September 2016 (23:59:59) PST 25% — 40%
(c) 1 October 2016 (00:00:00) - 1 November 2016 (23:59:59) PST — 10% —> 25%
3) For those who have already invested, any new amount invested on or after 25 November 2016 (18:00:00) is eligible for the bonus of 65%, not 55%.
Folks, we need an official statement from Kuzmin, maybe he can explain the discrepancies. Anyone knows how to find him? I suppose posts in different social media (like Twitter, Reddit (involving Rassah), Facebook etc) could tremendously help attracting Mr.Kuzmin's attention.
Ideas/participation is welcome. Guys, everyone, don't let them go away with this. This is not a typical BCT scam from anonymous newbie developers. They are public figures, they have to answer for their deeds if they care for their reputation.
Your "team" (no linked in profiles) are more 50% off Russians. The topic starter account is Russian.
Why are you pretending to have folowing addres: Noigem Establishment, Landstrasse 97, 9494 Schaan, Liechtenstein
All we have now is lending ICO page, how serious investor can trust you? It's impossible to believe that all of your "team" is real people.
How can you prove that you are not HYIP makers but serious TEAM?
Why didn't use ESCROW for ICO?
Why are you pretending to have folowing addres: Noigem Establishment, Landstrasse 97, 9494 Schaan, Liechtenstein
All we have now is lending ICO page, how serious investor can trust you? It's impossible to believe that all of your "team" is real people.
How can you prove that you are not HYIP makers but serious TEAM?
Why didn't use ESCROW for ICO?
You can easily find and contact advisory board members since they are quite well known in their fields (and ask them whether we are real
). Good point about the links, though. Will add.Only two of our team members have real life connection to Russia, so there's no reason for us to base there. Take me, for example (Alexey). I have a Russian name, live in Latvia, and (imagine we set up the facility in Russia) if I want to go to Moscow by car it will turn out to be farther than Warsaw because I have to waste few hours on the EU/Russia border.
I answered the question about escrow above in this thread: the escrow people are to be elected by Advisory Board voting once all of the members have signed up. And we're still expecting at least two important members. Should be done by the next week, though.
This 100% proves the "massnetwork" account belongs to Alexey Oshchepkov, while he denied that in his last post, saying "I never controlled any accounts belonging to the company including those in social media." !
And that, in its turn, one more time proves Oshchepkov blatantly lies, when he tells he did not control MASS social media accounts (forum is a social media, right?), and also when he tells he was not working on MASS since September.
In fact, he was organizing the ICO during the whole time it was running (August-November 2016), and introduced the 55% late-investor bonus. This is proved by the post below made in November.
Why is there a 55% bonus for late buyers? As an early buyer of ICO I feel scammed.
they are saying they will explain.
I hope so. Otherwise this is just massive ignorance on mass network. You don't screw over existing shareholders. This is equivalent to massive dilution and unheard of.
This is what was meant. It's going to be on the website soon (pls accept our apologies we might have some delays during the weekend):
1) Let us express the apology for the confusion and explain the procedures.
2) If you are eligible for any of the previous bonuses, the amounts invested before upgrades according to the following +15% schedule:
(a) 25 August 2016 (00:00:00) - 15 September 2016 (11:59:59) PST — 45% —> 60%
(b) 15 September 2016 (12:00:00) - 30 September 2016 (23:59:59) PST 25% — 40%
(c) 1 October 2016 (00:00:00) - 1 November 2016 (23:59:59) PST — 10% —> 25%
3) For those who have already invested, any new amount invested on or after 25 November 2016 (18:00:00) is eligible for the bonus of 65%, not 55%.
Folks, we need an official statement from Kuzmin, maybe he can explain the discrepancies. Anyone knows how to find him? I suppose posts in different social media (like Twitter, Reddit (involving Rassah), Facebook etc) could tremendously help attracting Mr.Kuzmin's attention.
Ideas/participation is welcome. Guys, everyone, don't let them go away with this. This is not a typical BCT scam from anonymous newbie developers. They are public figures, they have to answer for their deeds if they care for their reputation.
Guys, I am posting here to invite you to look into the Scam Accusation thread. I had a post there. Please don't keep silence, we need this case to be addressed.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17967195
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17967195
where are the ico funds? I think the escrow (Kuzmin) could tell this and is also responsible for informing us. Any other action can be interpreted as an involvement in the scam. Also pianist could tell us what he did with the ico funds before he left the project
Pianist says he never had access to the funds. It was always Kuzmin who controlled the funds.
Kuzmin was the escrow. escrow cant be the only one controlling funds. otherwise the project was set up as a scam from the beginning and pianist was involved.
Maybe I have missed something but it sounds logical to me
My guess is that Kuzmin divvied up some of the funds, kept the rest, and funded a little development just long enough to exit. They were already planning the next ICO before this one had finished.
Theory: Essentially Mycelium was broke and started a series of ICOs to keep it floating a little longer, while grasping for something that would generate revenue:
May 2016: Mycelium crowdsale : 5,131.445 BTC raised (Source: https://crowdsale.mycelium.com/#/)
Dec 2016: Mass Network ICO : 332.148 BTC raised (Source: https://ico.mass.network/#/)
Jan 2017: Swish ICO : 16.36 BTC (Source: https://www.smithandcrown.com/event/swish-ico-an-automated-pos-app-leveraging-the-power-of-the-blockchain/)
Mycelium Token --> MassCoin --> SwishCoin --> ?
Joshua Unseth called it 6 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4z3t19/mycelium_crowd_source_question_so_whats_up_with/d6t8htr/
where are the ico funds? I think the escrow (Kuzmin) could tell this and is also responsible for informing us. Any other action can be interpreted as an involvement in the scam. Also pianist could tell us what he did with the ico funds before he left the project
Pianist says he never had access to the funds. It was always Kuzmin who controlled the funds.
Kuzmin was the escrow. escrow cant be the only one controlling funds. otherwise the project was set up as a scam from the beginning and pianist was involved.
Maybe I have missed something but it sounds logical to me
My guess is that Kuzmin divvied up some of the funds, kept the rest, and funded a little development just long enough to exit. They were already planning the next ICO before this one had finished.
Theory: Essentially Mycelium was broke and started a series of ICOs to keep it floating a little longer, while grasping for something that would generate revenue:
May 2016: Mycelium crowdsale : 5,131.445 BTC raised (Source: https://crowdsale.mycelium.com/#/)
Dec 2016: Mass Network ICO : 332.148 BTC raised (Source: https://ico.mass.network/#/)
Jan 2017: Swish ICO : 16.36 BTC (Source: https://www.smithandcrown.com/event/swish-ico-an-automated-pos-app-leveraging-the-power-of-the-blockchain/)
Mycelium Token --> MassCoin --> SwishCoin --> ?
Joshua Unseth called it 6 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4z3t19/mycelium_crowd_source_question_so_whats_up_with/d6t8htr/
where are the ico funds? I think the escrow (Kuzmin) could tell this and is also responsible for informing us. Any other action can be interpreted as an involvement in the scam. Also pianist could tell us what he did with the ico funds before he left the project
Pianist says he never had access to the funds. It was always Kuzmin who controlled the funds.
Kuzmin was the escrow. escrow cant be the only one controlling funds. otherwise the project was set up as a scam from the beginning and pianist was involved.
Maybe I have missed something but it sounds logical to me
We never got a notification or a post that he left the project,he never post any update he just kept quiet,he wants to protect the project not it's investors,he is now posting because the project is all mess up,I would like to read all his explanations ..
where are the ico funds? I think the escrow (Kuzmin) could tell this and is also responsible for informing us. Any other action can be interpreted as an involvement in the scam. Also pianist could tell us what he did with the ico funds before he left the project
Pianist says he never had access to the funds. It was always Kuzmin who controlled the funds.
Kuzmin was the escrow. escrow cant be the only one controlling funds. otherwise the project was set up as a scam from the beginning and pianist was involved.
Maybe I have missed something but it sounds logical to me
This is horseshit.
If the Alex boys went their separate ways, why have they colluded on Swishcoin and Knowledger since mass.network. Clearly they have an ongoing relationship and you are trying to defend your friend Alex O. Unfortunately he is deep rooted in these scams.
I think you are refering to this part:
Quote
Alexey's account of the events above is in accord with what I know of the situation. I do not see any reason why he would be involved in a "scam" if this is indeed what is transpiring. He was definitely let go and I was told it was because he and the Alexander's "didnt have the same vision for the project".
But I guess the "Alexander" mentioned there is Alexander Pankov, not Alexander Kuzmin. I would delete your comment, if I were you
Delete what? I do not believe Alex O. is totally innocent despite what Mike says. I believe he knew of the strategy of Kuzmin and even if Only Kuzmin had control of the funds. Alex O. Was still his long term partner and fully aware.
IF Mike thinks Alex O. is innocent and totally unrelated to Kuzmin then why does this knowledger project list a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass) and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me) as some of its projects?
I had an impression you are accusing Mike for lyeing (horseshit etc.), but that is injust currently. I believe he is telling the truth here (as he sees it, of course). I have reason to think he was indeed only a small player there (beefed up resume is another topic, but its not our business).
Saying that, yes I also think Alexey O. is far from being innocent, regardless of what Mike Malley thinks. Mike has not enough information to actually prove Oschepkov is honest, so that was just his assumption.
Thats why I asked "Know-ledger" few questions on the Scam accusation thread, and I am still hoping to get some answers. That is the guy we need to follow, along with Mr.Kuzmin.
All about ad blocking.
This is horseshit.
If the Alex boys went their separate ways, why have they colluded on Swishcoin and Knowledger since mass.network. Clearly they have an ongoing relationship and you are trying to defend your friend Alex O. Unfortunately he is deep rooted in these scams.
I think you are refering to this part:
Quote
Alexey's account of the events above is in accord with what I know of the situation. I do not see any reason why he would be involved in a "scam" if this is indeed what is transpiring. He was definitely let go and I was told it was because he and the Alexander's "didnt have the same vision for the project".
But I guess the "Alexander" mentioned there is Alexander Pankov, not Alexander Kuzmin. I would delete your comment, if I were you
Delete what? I do not believe Alex O. is totally innocent despite what Mike says. I believe he knew of the strategy of Kuzmin and even if Only Kuzmin had control of the funds. Alex O. Was still his long term partner and fully aware.
IF Mike thinks Alex O. is innocent and totally unrelated to Kuzmin then why does this knowledger project list a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass) and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me) as some of its projects?
The list of his clients is shown on his website and includes Mass Networks and Mycelium.
Scroll to the bottom:
http://www.knowledger.consulting/
He wrote an article on "next generation ad blockers":
https://medium.com/@Knowledger/next-generation-ad-blocker-fc8eb8e1f7f3#.l982wlqcv
Sound familiar?
This is horseshit.
If the Alex boys went their separate ways, why have they colluded on Swishcoin and Knowledger since mass.network. Clearly they have an ongoing relationship and you are trying to defend your friend Alex O. Unfortunately he is deep rooted in these scams.
I think you are refering to this part:
Quote
Alexey's account of the events above is in accord with what I know of the situation. I do not see any reason why he would be involved in a "scam" if this is indeed what is transpiring. He was definitely let go and I was told it was because he and the Alexander's "didnt have the same vision for the project".
But I guess the "Alexander" mentioned there is Alexander Pankov, not Alexander Kuzmin. I would delete your comment, if I were you
Delete what? I do not believe Alex O. is totally innocent despite what Mike says. I believe he knew of the strategy of Kuzmin and even if Only Kuzmin had control of the funds. Alex O. Was still his long term partner and fully aware.
IF Mike thinks Alex O. is innocent and totally unrelated to Kuzmin then why does this knowledger project list a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass) and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me) as some of its projects?
The list of his clients is shown on his website and includes Mass Networks and Mycelium.
Scroll to the bottom:
http://www.knowledger.consulting/
He wrote an article on "next generation ad blockers":
https://medium.com/@Knowledger/next-generation-ad-blocker-fc8eb8e1f7f3#.l982wlqcv
Sound familiar?
This is horseshit.
If the Alex boys went their separate ways, why have they colluded on Swishcoin and Knowledger since mass.network. Clearly they have an ongoing relationship and you are trying to defend your friend Alex O. Unfortunately he is deep rooted in these scams.
I think you are refering to this part:
Quote
Alexey's account of the events above is in accord with what I know of the situation. I do not see any reason why he would be involved in a "scam" if this is indeed what is transpiring. He was definitely let go and I was told it was because he and the Alexander's "didnt have the same vision for the project".
But I guess the "Alexander" mentioned there is Alexander Pankov, not Alexander Kuzmin. I would delete your comment, if I were you
Delete what? I do not believe Alex O. is totally innocent despite what Mike says. I believe he knew of the strategy of Kuzmin and even if Only Kuzmin had control of the funds. Alex O. Was still his long term partner and fully aware.
IF Mike thinks Alex O. is innocent and totally unrelated to Kuzmin then why does this knowledger project list a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass) and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me) as some of its projects?
I just heard about this thanks to a Chinese wechat user who added me to ask what was going on after seeing my LinkedIn profile thanks to the slanderous post, implicating me as a "professional scammer", from tokyopotato. His wanton accusation of me are as incorrect as they are inflammatory. It is obvious from his post who he really meant to target.
Now for my relationship with mass.
I stopped working for Alexander Kuzmin and Mycelium in November of 2016 and have had zero communication since then.
I was Product Manager of another Mycelium team. I later quit Mycelium because our offices were moved to Moscow...I was asked to relocate, said no thanks, and quit.
In August or Sept of 2016, Kuzmin asked me to help edit the website for MASS since I was the only native ENG speaker at his disposal at the time. I did that and only that. At no point was equity or profit sharing EVER discussed with me. I acted under orders from my boss at the time to edit some copy for the site and blog and setup some social media accounts. that is all. He asked to put my pic and name on the website and said I should have a title since I was technically "part of the team"... Seemed like free publicity for me, why not? That was my only mistake in this issue. For that I am sorry.
I do not stand to gain anything from the MASS ICO and never did...
I am not a scammer, never have been and never will be.
I have made MANY MANY requests to have my name removed from the site... to no avail. Kuzmin has ignored my requests.
Since I found out about this issue, which I have not paid attention to since leaving, I have since deleted MASS from my LinkedIn, since you all seem to think it is a scam and I do not want to be associated with it if it is. It was never a full-time job for me and I was never even paid to work on it!
But let me be clear: I do not stand to profit IN ANY WAY FROM MASS or its ICO... Please contact Mr. Kuzmin
I have ZERO relations with Mycelium or Mr. Kuzmin or MASS since November 2016. However, their "pm,community manager, accountant" contacted me in Jan of this year. Maybe he can answer your questions.
http://imgur.com/a/soYDb
Never heard from him again.
I am sorry for anyone who feels they have been harmed but I am not able to help you. I wish that I could. All I did was edit and write some copy for the website and various social media.
I hope this helps clear up my relationship with Kuzmin and Mass. I hope tokyopotato can remove the slanderous post about me and my current employer, thank you.
Now for my relationship with mass.
I stopped working for Alexander Kuzmin and Mycelium in November of 2016 and have had zero communication since then.
I was Product Manager of another Mycelium team. I later quit Mycelium because our offices were moved to Moscow...I was asked to relocate, said no thanks, and quit.
In August or Sept of 2016, Kuzmin asked me to help edit the website for MASS since I was the only native ENG speaker at his disposal at the time. I did that and only that. At no point was equity or profit sharing EVER discussed with me. I acted under orders from my boss at the time to edit some copy for the site and blog and setup some social media accounts. that is all. He asked to put my pic and name on the website and said I should have a title since I was technically "part of the team"... Seemed like free publicity for me, why not? That was my only mistake in this issue. For that I am sorry.
I do not stand to gain anything from the MASS ICO and never did...
I am not a scammer, never have been and never will be.
I have made MANY MANY requests to have my name removed from the site... to no avail. Kuzmin has ignored my requests.
Since I found out about this issue, which I have not paid attention to since leaving, I have since deleted MASS from my LinkedIn, since you all seem to think it is a scam and I do not want to be associated with it if it is. It was never a full-time job for me and I was never even paid to work on it!
But let me be clear: I do not stand to profit IN ANY WAY FROM MASS or its ICO... Please contact Mr. Kuzmin
I have ZERO relations with Mycelium or Mr. Kuzmin or MASS since November 2016. However, their "pm,community manager, accountant" contacted me in Jan of this year. Maybe he can answer your questions.
http://imgur.com/a/soYDb
Never heard from him again.
I am sorry for anyone who feels they have been harmed but I am not able to help you. I wish that I could. All I did was edit and write some copy for the website and various social media.
I hope this helps clear up my relationship with Kuzmin and Mass. I hope tokyopotato can remove the slanderous post about me and my current employer, thank you.
Firstly - thanks for your candid honesty. The picture is now becoming much clearer. However you cannot call anyone here a troll, they are all victims. Unfortunately for you - you were involved with the project at some stage AND your LinkedIn profiles states you managed the ICO funds. The same ICO funds which have since disappeared. So you can't blame folks from putting 2 and 2 together. Even though in this case you were not responsible for any of the subsequent issues.
Thanks again.
Dude, ok, I called him a troll because he is bringing bitcoin.com into this and they had nothing to do with MASS other than publishing a press release, as did every other crypto news site we sent to.
Next, no where does it say I "managed funds". It says I was responsible for raising, meaning I was responsible for publishing content that informed people about MASS and the ICO opportunities.. That is very different.
I never had access to funds since I was not the escrow holder. Surely, this makes sense!?
Mike worked on MASS from July to September on linkedin, he was an honest man.
You mean was ? he is not now if he knows all the scamming activity all along,then he is part to be investigated and file a complaint he should have come here long before and told us that there's an irregularities happening in this ico,he is in part part of this scam ico.
I never knew or suspected any "scamming" until last night when Jenny Moll added my wechat to ask me about mass.. he thought i still worked there. I speak chinese and was luckily able to converse with him and he told me to check this thread because people are accusing me of stealing their money. I am sorry I can not help track down A. Kuzmin. I have not been in touch with him since leaving Mycelium in Nov of 2016. I do not know his wheareabouts or his current plans/involvement in mass but I do not he was the escrow when I was still a member of the team.
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