Topic: IRS claims it has LOST two years' worth of emails from former official Lerner - page 6. (Read 22699 times)

That is why books and movies about people who dare to do the right thing while facing assured doom are made. That is why their names never die, generations after generations. We would all keep our mouth shut when faced with a bully like lerner and her team... While hoping for someone else to do the right thing for all of us.


We are like sheep.

I tend to keep my mouth quiet if he does something I don't like.  I would hate to be targeted by the entire IRS, could you imagine?  It would take nothing for them to ensure your being broke the rest of life and hounded with audits, tax issues etc.

So far none. If one is fired then the other domino knows it will fall and will have nothing to lose. They are ALL-IN in this.

I had a service company that maintained the backup tape drives for a government installation for about ten years.  They could produce anything they wanted, no ifs ands or buts.

It would be interesting to see who's been hired and who's been fired in that chain of command of people overseeing the backups, since this nonsense started.

The Truth About the IRS Scandal: Was an Election Stolen? w/ Stefan Molyneux

I've been a gov't system administrator and I find this whole nonsense of having lost emails completely ridiculous. Oftentimes there's multiple places users have them stored, home computer, mobile device, server, daily, weekly, monthly and yearly backups. That they'd be deleted/removed from all three is an outright lie. I bet their sys admin wants to tell the truth but is being hamstrung right now by his superiors.

  Yes I believe this is exactly what happened at the IRS. The dog ate the tape back up too 


Not a smidgen of corruption.....

I'm an IT professional, you would be surprised how many people just keep a .pst on their local hard drive with all their emails on it which eventually dies even though they are trained to put them on the network share.

New Emails: IRS Had “Secret Research Project” To Obtain Donor Lists From Non-Profit Groups



The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) improperly obtained donor lists from nonprofit groups as part of a “secret research project” being run by Lois Lerner and other officials.

IRS official David Fish revealed the “secret research project” in a June 27, 2012 email to Lerner’s direct subordinate Holly Paz, according to emails released Thursday by the nonprofit group Judicial Watch, which obtained the emails in a pending Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

“Joseph Urban [IRS Technical Advisor, Tax Exempt and Government Entities] had actually started a secret research project on whether we could, consistent with 6104, argue that [REDACTED],” Fish wrote.

“Joe was quite agitated yesterday when I told him what we were doing. (He was involved when the initial question was raised, but we didn’t continue reading him in),” Fish continued. “At one point he started saying that this was a decision for Steve Miller–I told him we were already doing it, and that I didn’t know whether Lois had already talked to Nikole [Flax, former IRS Chief of Staff to IRS Commissioner Steve Miller] about this. Would not be surprised if he already started working on Lois.”

“Thanks for the heads up,” Paz replied. “The decision was made by Steve, based on advice from P and A. [Procedure and Administration].”

Lois Lerner and Nikole Flax, who were both part of the “secret research project,” both suffered computer crashes that allegedly wiped out their emails, according to the IRS.

Another email released Thursday showed that Lerner obtaining donor information from groups “was not needed across-the-board and not used in making the agency’s determination on exempt status,” according to an IRS deputy chief counsel.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/04/new-emails-irs-obtained-donor-lists-for-secret-research-project/#ixzz3CUcqGCyK

How infuriating that their going to get away with this nonsense!  At the very least I hope it sets a new court precedent in which attorneys can say "in reference to court case xxx state vs loius lerner lost emails and crashed hard drives were found to be a reputable reason".  Anyone who gets audited "Well I stored them in my taxes in my emails and my had drive crashed".  Any case involving records "They were store in emails on a hard drive".  Sorry for taking it out on the forum 

IRS 'LOSES' EMAILS FROM 5 MORE EMPLOYEES


The IRS says it has lost emails from five more workers who are part of congressional investigations into the treatment of conservative groups that applied for tax exempt status.

The tax agency said in June that it could not locate an untold number of emails to and from Lois Lerner, who headed the IRS division that processes applications for tax-exempt status. The revelation set off a new round of investigations and congressional hearings.

On Friday, the IRS said it has also lost emails from five other employees related to the probe, including two agents who worked in a Cincinnati office processing applications for tax-exempt status.

The agency blamed computer crashes for the lost emails. In a statement, the IRS said it found no evidence that anyone deliberately destroyed evidence.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRS_LOST_EMAILS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-09-05-15-47-22

I don't think it is so much the bureaucrats that caused this to happen, but rather the politicians that directed the law to be broken, and likely made the promises to give political cover in the event they are caught. Have you noticed how the Obama administration has basically said that no one will be prosecuted for the IRS targeting Conservative groups? (even though the law was clearly broken).

I don't think they can really get information redacted when it is sent to congress. When documents are released to the public, the version that is released to the public is often redacted for any number of reasons, but since congress has oversight of these agencies, and the fact that all of congress has a security clearance, there is no real reason for anything to be in any way redacted when it is released to congress.

As much as this all infuriates me, there's likely not much that can be done when these bureaucrats can just tamper with evidence and no one has to spend time in prison or lose their pensions. Let's face it, even if these emails exist and they're finally ordered to produce them, there's every possibility that they make sure all the incriminating stuff is redacted.

IRS Destroyed Lois Lerner’s Blackberry After It Knew Her Hard Drive “Crashed”…



The IRS filing in federal Judge Emmet Sullivan’s court reveals shocking new information. The IRS destroyed Lerner’s Blackberry AFTER it knew her computer had crashed and after a Congressional inquiry was well underway. As an IRS official declared under the penalty of perjury, the destroyed Blackberry would have contained the same emails (both sent and received) as Lois Lerner’s hard drive.

We all know by now that Lois Lerner’s hard drive crashed in June 2011 and was destroyed by IRS. The emails of up to twenty other related IRS officials were missing in remarkably similar “crashes,” leading many to speculate that Lois Lerner’s Blackberry perhaps held the key. Now, the Observer can confirm that a year after the infamous hard drive crash, the IRS destroyed Ms. Lerner’s Blackberry—and without making any effort to retain the emails from it.

Judge Sullivan has had to pry information from the IRS to learn anything about Ms. Lerner’s Blackberry. Now, with these latest revelations, I’m confident he’s not finished.

In two elusive and nebulous sworn declarations, we can glean that Ms. Lerner had two Blackberries. One was issued to her on November 12, 2009. According to a sworn declaration, this is the Blackberry that contained all the emails (both sent and received) that would have been in her “Outlook” and drafts that never were sent from her Blackberry during the relevant time.

http://observer.com/2014/08/irs-shocker-filing-reveals-lerner-blackberry-destroyed/

So you know now there are at least THREE places the emails exist (A) the NSA (B) the above mentioned government backup (C) the machines of the recipients of Lerner's emails.

In the case of (B) this is called refusing to comply with a supeona.  

These are not very good liars.  Some years ago I was in charge of data backups for a government facility with perhaps 5000 people.  I flat guarantee you those tapes could be loaded and subsets of data retrieved in short order.  That is the very reason why these things are called "backups".

"General government malaise" is only a shield they hide behind.  Think of how rapidly they'd be coming up with the data if it helped to put away a right winger.

IRS Admits Lois Lerner Emails Are Backed Up (Video)

http://youtu.be/Xch72Zitob0

Standard government line.  We went through this elaborate setup to make backups but now find it inconvenient to have to retrieve them.

Government makes watchdog committees that file reports on government waste - only to have said reports piled in a room and nobody bothers reading them and they have to spend money storing them.

Well at least it's better - it went from sheer statistical impossibility to general government malaise.

Agreed.  Its like cops investigating cops....   It would be nice to somebody go after this and expose it, I think their probably hiding a lot.  Sadly its probably never going to happen and this is the reality I am accustomed to here in the good ol US of A.

I very much doubt that anyone in the Obama administration wants to get to the bottom of this. Democrats have been pushing to get the IRS investigation to be over for over a year now. The administration has been hampering the gathering of evidence. I would not at all be surprised if there is very damaging evidence against very high people in the administration, it is just that it is very well hidden.