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 The IRS has always had the role of judge, jury and executioner, every audit is a witch hunt.

"IRS Commissioner John Koskinen contributed more than $85,000 to Democratic candidates and committees, MRCTV research has discovered - with a $5,000 donation to President Obama in 2012 and $19,000 to the Democratic National Committee from 1988 to 2008."
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those watching at home may have thought that Koskinen had served a long and storied civil service career "under Republican and Democratic administrations" - but as a matter of fact, prior to his appointment to the IRS six months ago, Koskinen worked as non-executive chairman of publicly-traded Freddie Mac (from 2008 to 2012.)

Koskinen was CEO at Freddie Mac in 2009 (He earned a cool $550,713 for his "service" that year).
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According to Open Secrets records, the IRS Commissioner that so many described as "arrogant" contributed to every Democratic nominee for president since 1980. He gave $2,300 to Obama's first run for president in 2009 and $5,000 in 2012.

Hillary Clinton has received $3,800 from Koskinen.
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"Badgering witnesses is inappropriate and shameful for this Committee to conduct itself in that manner," Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) said in Koskinen's defense during last night's testimony. "I want this committee to be run as it should be run, with respect and decorum. And badgering this Commissioner as virtually every member on the Republican side has done [tonight] is shameful. And it's gotta stop. Or I'm telling you, one member here is going to walk out and not return."

Nowhere in their impassioned defenses of Koskinen (or his noble public service) did Democrats mention that he has contributed almost $100,000 to their party.
http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/dems-fawn-over-irs-commissioner-who-contributed-over-85000-their
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WARNING!!!  Major Government Computer

Crash predicted in the coming two weeks!!


Issa Expands Investigation – Subpoenas 28 Years of Lois Lerner Emails
Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, June 25, 2014, 7:05 PM

Lois Lerner, the controversial director of the tax-exempt organizations division at the Internal Revenue Service, has a long sordid history of targeting conservatives.

Under the direction of Lois Lerner, the Federal Election Commission sued the Christian Coalition in the 1990s. She harassed the Christian Coalition for three election cycles. Eventually, she lost her case. At one point Lerner even asked a targeted conservative if Pat Robertson prayed over him. (Sound familiar?)
In 1996, while at the FEC, Lois Lerner harassed Republican Senate candidate Al Salvi and made him this outrageous offer, “Promise me you will never run for office again, and we’ll drop this case.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/issa-expands-investigation-subpoenas-28-years-of-lois-lerner-emails/
Today House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) turned up the heat on Lois Lerner and subpoenaed 28 years of Lerner’s emails from 1986 until the present day.
Political Ticker reported:

    Expanding his IRS investigation by more than two decades, House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa, R-California, has sent a subpoena to the Federal Elections Commission for all communications involving former IRS administrator Lois Lerner from January 1, 1986 to the present day.

    This new search is the broadest-yet for records in a year-long investigation by Issa and congressional Republicans, who are trying to assess why the agency targeted tea party and other political groups for extra scrutiny.

    Issa issued the subpoena to Lee Goodman, head of the Federal Election Commission, on Tuesday for communications involving Lerner, who is seen as a central figure in the controversy because she ran the division that executed the targeting.

    She resigned last year after the Treasury Department’s inspector general found those working under her used “inappropriate” criteria to scrutinize certain groups. Since then, Lerner has refused to testify before Congress, invoking her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. This has added to the Republican push to find any documents related to Lerner and her time in government.

    In the on-going, determined GOP effort, Republicans are now reaching back to her career before the IRS.

    Lerner joined the FEC in 1981, first working in the general counsel’s office. Issa subpoena focuses on her work after 1986, when Lerner became the head of the FEC’s enforcement division.
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Well now media has become paid shills of the corporate owners.  Very few journalists now, and even fewer people who seek out the news rather than opinion.  People want news they can agree with, not news which disturbs them.  You will find this scandal pushed under the rug like all the other phony scandals.

I agree with you about how the media is nothing more than a group of bought and paid-for shills. But how exactly is this a phony scandal? The IRS was unfairly targeting Conservative groups, and the top brass at the IRS are lying in front of Congress by cooking up some completely unbelievable story about a hard drive crash causing the complete loss of 2 years worth of emails. How is that a phony scandal?
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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
The Obama administration has essentially decided that no one is going to be criminally prosecuted over this scandal.
Which translates into they want and intend to continue targeting opponents.   Signalling this in the fashions they have will likely result in short term ten times the corruption.
The Obama administration has aggressively opposed any kind of dissent on many fronts, from the IRS harassing groups that oppose it's views, to tapping the phone lines of reporters who receive information from leakers in the administration to the supreme court who was potentially going to overturn Obama's unconstitutional health care law.

Well now media has become paid shills of the corporate owners.  Very few journalists now, and even fewer people who seek out the news rather than opinion.  People want news they can agree with, not news which disturbs them.  You will find this scandal pushed under the rug like all the other phony scandals.
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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
The Obama administration has essentially decided that no one is going to be criminally prosecuted over this scandal.
Which translates into they want and intend to continue targeting opponents.   Signalling this in the fashions they have will likely result in short term ten times the corruption.
The Obama administration has aggressively opposed any kind of dissent on many fronts, from the IRS harassing groups that oppose it's views, to tapping the phone lines of reporters who receive information from leakers in the administration to the supreme court who was potentially going to overturn Obama's unconstitutional health care law.
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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
The Obama administration has essentially decided that no one is going to be criminally prosecuted over this scandal.
Which translates into they want and intend to continue targeting opponents.   Signalling this in the fashions they have will likely result in short term ten times the corruption.
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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
The Obama administration has essentially decided that no one is going to be criminally prosecuted over this scandal.
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Lois Lerner Targeted Chuck Grassley After He Blocked Obama’s DOJ Tax Nominee


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/01/lois-lerner-targeted-chuck-grassley-after-he-blocked-obamas-doj-tax-nominee/#ixzz36NIuRPtx

Ex-Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner tried to audit Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley after Grassley blocked President Obama’s nominee to head the Department of Justice (DOJ) tax division, an executive branch insider told The Daily Caller.

Grassley made it more difficult for the IRS and DOJ to work together to target conservative groups by blocking Obama’s political appointee Mary L. Smith from taking over the DOJ Tax Division, which prosecutes criminal cases for the IRS. Grassley held up the nomination in early 2010, just as Lerner and fellow IRS officials were mapping out their targeting strategy. The White House later withdrew Smith’s nomination.

The source confirmed to The Daily Caller that the White House and IRS officials “were very upset at Senator Grassley and Republicans for blocking a vote on Mary Smith’s nomination.”

The IRS relies on the DOJ Tax Division to prosecute both criminal and civil cases, and has entire legal teams devoted to making DOJ referrals. Placing a political appointee as assistant attorney general for the DOJ Tax Division was a top priority for the Obama White House.

Grassley made sure that no Obama political nominee got confirmed for the post, and kept in a “career,” or non-political, DOJ tax head for another two years.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/01/lois-lerner-targeted-chuck-grassley-after-he-blocked-obamas-doj-tax-nominee/

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Useful Idiots: Democrats provide IRS best defense money can buy

http://youtu.be/7ReVPqSBGIg

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The IRS is one of the most hated federal bureaucracies in existence.  That they're all obama supporters and misused the agencies power to fuck with the tea party movement is beyond reasonable doubt but it is also not the point.  If the IRS had done the same shit for Bush or anyone else, my reaction would be the same and so would, I suggest, the reactions of many if not most of the tea party movement.
The IRS and the Tea Party should be absolute enemies.

TEA = "Taxed enough already."


If the IRS gets away with destroying evidence and lying to congress then other bureaucracies will follow suit.
Or already have.
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/06/25/chuck-todd-irs-scandal-are-there-any-actual-real-victims#ixzz35fFjXGon
so the IRS lost so much important data in a computer crash - saying hey, we have no back up system... the EPA is now saying that they had a computer crash, and any moment we will learn that they had no backup system... and this administration that just put all your confidential information in the hands of the government that can't product emails and computers are crashing every day with no back up...
stupid fucking idiots....
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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
I cannot imagine how the DOJ could produce a legal opinion without the information submitted from the IRS, can you?
Actually, Yes.   The IRS is an administrative agency, and is allowed to make its own rule interpretation decisions.  These are published as letters in many cases.  The IRS also can prosecute cases criminally.  They do not need to ask for approval from DOJ.

Go read some IRS tax fraud cases.  This is all pretty simple.

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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
I cannot imagine how the DOJ could produce a legal opinion without the information submitted from the IRS, can you?

fishing expedition:
An open-ended inquiry or investigation, often undertaken on the pretext of a minor or unrelated matter, whose real purpose is to uncover embarrassing or damaging information, as about a political opponent: "[enabled] prosecutors to expand what started out as an investigation of ... [a] land deal into a fishing expedition for intimate details of his daily-and nightly-life" (Margaret Carlson).

http://www.answers.com/topic/fishing-expedition



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The IRS is one of the most hated federal bureaucracies in existence.  That they're all obama supporters and misused the agencies power to fuck with the tea party movement is beyond reasonable doubt but it is also not the point.  If the IRS had done the same shit for Bush or anyone else, my reaction would be the same and so would, I suggest, the reactions of many if not most of the tea party movement.
If the IRS gets away with destroying evidence and lying to congress then other bureaucracies will follow suit.
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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
I cannot imagine how the DOJ could produce a legal opinion without the information submitted from the IRS, can you?
They were searching for something, anything, with which to punish these conservative groups at the request of a dem senator.  The IRS obliged, going so far as sending confidential information illegally.
No, a US senator queried the IRS to identify if some applications were making false claims, and following that, would those false claims be legally actionable. The DOJ could not make that assessment without seeing the submissions.

This is how in the US we seek out fraud and act to end it. Not different than identifying suppliers for Medicare that lie and cheat the system. Those are also referred to the DOJ.

What you are attempting to claim as a conspiracy is an investigation of fraud.

Now, having said that I still support a special prosecutor to be certain no violations of law occurred.
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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
I cannot imagine how the DOJ could produce a legal opinion without the information submitted from the IRS, can you?
They were searching for something, anything, with which to punish these conservative groups at the request of a dem senator.  The IRS obliged, going so far as sending confidential information illegally.
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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
I cannot imagine how the DOJ could produce a legal opinion without the information submitted from the IRS, can you?
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Learned appears here to argue that the law does not cover the prosecution that Whitehouse would find responsible. Hers would of course not be a legal opinion.

Right, which is why they illegally sent the huge database of confidential taxpayer information to the DOJ.  There was no witchhunt, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fbi-returns-taxpayer-information-it-got-from-irs-1402504785
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"Lerner later acknowledged pursuing prosecutions of these groups would not fit well with the law."
Your point?
If Lerner raised the issue with DOJ, as she should have, and later found the law permitted perimeters she thought to be beyond the law, then her conclusion would be as you provided.
So what?
No, she didn't raise the issue with the DOJ.  She was contacted by the DOJ after a dem (Whitehouse) asked if they could prosecute conservative groups.  You really should at least have a grasp on the basic facts.
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   LERNER: I got a call today from Richard Pilger Director Elections Crimes Branch at DOJ … He wanted to know who at IRS the DOJ folk s [sic] could talk to about Sen. Whitehouse idea at the hearing that DOJ could piece together false statement cases about applicants who “lied” on their 1024s –saying they weren’t planning on doing political activity, and then turning around and making large visible political expenditures. DOJ is feeling like it needs to respond, but want to talk to the right folks at IRS to see whether there are impediments from our side and what, if any damage this might do to IRS programs. I told him that sounded like we might need several folks from IRS…

    FLAX: I think we should do it – also need to include CI [Criminal Investigation Division], which we can help coordinate. Also, we need to reach out to FEC. Does it make sense to consider including them in this or keep it separate?
Lerner referred to Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), who was pushing for prosecutions of tax-exempt groups found to have misrepresented their political activities.  Judicial Watch quotes a March 2013 email from Lerner to IRS staff, describing hearings to be held by Whitehouse in April:
As I mentioned yesterday — there are several groups of folks from the FEC world that are pushing tax fraud prosecution for c4s who report they are not conducting political activity when they are (or these folks think they are).One is my ex-boss Larry Noble (former General Counsel at the FEC), who is now president of Americans for Campaign Reform. This is their latest push to shut these down. One IRS prosecution would make an impact and they wouldn’t feel so comfortable doing the stuff.

So, don’t be fooled about how this is being articulated – it is ALL about 501(c)(4) orgs and political activity.
But then a few minutes later, Lerner sent out a follow-up email in which she said prosecution was “not realistic under current law.”  Lerner added, “Everyone is looking for a magic bullet or scapegoat – there isn’t one. The law in this area is just hard.”

http://www.humanevents.com/2014/04/16/irs-documents-show-lois-lerner-wanted-to-sic-the-justice-department-on-targeted-conservative-groups/
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