Topic: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. - page 17. (Read 44379 times)
it is a neat scheme, and seriously: why sell a product at a price that is exceeded by its recurring output
If Lucifer himself were to come and offer the right asic hash technology for just a little piece of one's soul, there'd be a queue.
This all day!
There are probably quite a number of folks here who have pending pre-orders with them, so there's the buying-power effect - consequently, if these people were to team up and request a formal announcement be made, it will probably happen...
Doubt there will be any measurable fallout. Somewhere above, someone commented, in effect, "shit, I wish I were them." If Lucifer himself were to come and offer the right asic hash technology for just a little piece of one's soul, there'd be a queue.
think the ATF agent was the friend who told the story about the "couple of guys".
I think I saw a documentary on this, called "Beverly Hills Cop"....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL1d7QmGDo8
No, that's what happens to the cigarettes on the other side, when organized crime is involved. But then, because of volume requirements, whole containers "disappear" from, like, Port Elizabeth due to paperwork glitches.I think I saw a documentary on this, called "Beverly Hills Cop"....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL1d7QmGDo8
I forgot about that scene in the movie. I think the best scene is when the Captain says "Is this the man who wrecked the buffet at the Harrow(?) Club?" I guess they needed to get their chase scene Jones satisified up front.
There are probably quite a number of folks here who have pending pre-orders with them, so there's the buying-power effect - consequently, if these people were to team up and request a formal announcement be made, it will probably happen...
Given the reputation of Avalon, I am sure they'll not just respond here, but rather provide a public announcement on their website, hopefully addressing all open questions. Bottom line being, while we may not agree with the whole issue, the whole thing proves that they're much more legit than most other ASIC vendors, who simply keep on making promises, rather than delivering any hardware at all
Given their reputation I think they will not say anything.We are not "special".
Given the reputation of Avalon, I am sure they'll not just respond here, but rather provide a public announcement on their website, hopefully addressing all open questions. Bottom line being, while we may not agree with the whole issue, the whole thing proves that they're much more legit than most other ASIC vendors, who simply keep on making promises, rather than delivering any hardware at all
He was an ATF agent. The power that comes with that title is huge. Not just "a couple of guys"
I think the ATF agent was the friend who told the story about the "couple of guys".
I think I saw a documentary on this, called "Beverly Hills Cop"....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL1d7QmGDo8
No words for the amount of pure shock / disbelief I'm experiencing. I almost brought in on a batch 3 order and to see them do this with batch 2... its so unethical that it makes me want to puke.
It's not even relevant to wonder if they sould use testnet or if they should use main net. It just does not make any sense to test them more than few hours max. No reason to test chips for weeks, no reason at all. Testing is not a valid excuse, period.
This is just bad... If they needed to put them in test like that they could have made it public and give mined coins to person who paid for it. They would made much more of that as it would be PR move of the year
The conspiracy to centralize or shut down Bitcoin is plainly evident to me now.
I think you should never underestimate the force of good ol' private enterprise, petty corruption.Here's an analogy. One of my good friends is a retired Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (USA ATF) agent. One case he worked on as a young man was at the Marlboro plant in Virginia. Truckloads of Marlboro cigarettes, hundreds of cases, thousands of cartons were loaded into containers and sent to the Navy at Port Norfolk. Tax free.
The guy whose job it was to seal the container, certifying that the seal was not to be broken execpt overseas, would spoof the seal on certain trucks. The driver of that truck would exit on the way to Norfolk, stop, pull out a couple cases into a waiting van, and then press the seal. When the cigs got to Japan or Europe or where ever, nobody even noticed the shortage.
They got busted. Mafia? Nope. International cigarette smugglers? Nope? A couple guys who had the motive (money from free cigarettes to sell), means and opportunity.
He was an ATF agent. The power that comes with that title is huge. Not just "a couple of guys"
MAC addresses were probably brought up because "some" OS actually used them to come up with hardware-specific keys for registering your product, to be eligible for free upgrades. I think they used a combination of hardware-specific serials and mixed everything up to ensure that Windows installations would not be prone to double-spending 
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.... you made it to the point ... this is a bad idea! 
The conspiracy to centralize or shut down Bitcoin is plainly evident to me now.
I think you should never underestimate the force of good ol' private enterprise, petty corruption.Here's an analogy. One of my good friends is a retired Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (USA ATF) agent. One case he worked on as a young man was at the Marlboro plant in Virginia. Truckloads of Marlboro cigarettes, hundreds of cases, thousands of cartons were loaded into containers and sent to the Navy at Port Norfolk. Tax free.
The guy whose job it was to seal the container, certifying that the seal was not to be broken execpt overseas, would spoof the seal on certain trucks. The driver of that truck would exit on the way to Norfolk, stop, pull out a couple cases into a waiting van, and then press the seal. When the cigs got to Japan or Europe or where ever, nobody even noticed the shortage.
They got busted. Mafia? Nope. International cigarette smugglers? Nope? A couple guys who had the motive (money from free cigarettes to sell), means and opportunity.
I am not particularly a fan of these "Big Brother" type monitoring/validation schemes. I seem to recall Intel in the 90s wanting to put a unique identifier in each chip so that they could validate the identity/location of a machine on the internet.
Almost certainly, your cell phone will do all of that these days ...
Real shame. I'd be so pissed if I had some pending orders with them.
I'm waiting to the official reaction from them, if any, with a lot of curiosity...
Thanks BTC for the transparency, things like that get noticed sooner or later!
I'm waiting to the official reaction from them, if any, with a lot of curiosity...
Thanks BTC for the transparency, things like that get noticed sooner or later!
also heard this backdoor in tp link routers http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Treacherous-backdoor-found-in-TP-Link-routers-1822720.html
I am not particularly a fan of these "Big Brother" type monitoring/validation schemes. I seem to recall Intel in the 90s wanting to put a unique identifier in each chip so that they could validate the identity/location of a machine on the internet. Privacy folks went ballistic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Controversy_about_privacy_issues
When you come right down to it, commerce is based to some extent on trust... you either trust your vendor or you don't.
If you don't trust them... then don't do business with them (or don't do pre-orders at least).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Controversy_about_privacy_issues
When you come right down to it, commerce is based to some extent on trust... you either trust your vendor or you don't.
If you don't trust them... then don't do business with them (or don't do pre-orders at least).
MAC addresses were probably brought up because "some" OS actually used them to come up with hardware-specific keys for registering your product, to be eligible for free upgrades. I think they used a combination of hardware-specific serials and mixed everything up to ensure that Windows installations would not be prone to double-spending
To narrow the question down to OpenWRT, which is the router software running on the Avalon, I believe, but have not verified, that the MAC can be spoofed.
So, then, when you say "The MAC address in the TP-Link 703n router is a hard coded serial number that is already in place", that doesn't necessarily imply there might be some way to establish identity of a router instance unambiguously?You can use the existing MAC as a serial number to identify a specific router.
You can forge a driver's license.
You can use a driver's license to establish identity.
Why should the MAC address from some device in the network matter at all? The MAC address reaches as far as the first router (normally your default gateway), 1 hop beyond that it is not only totally irrelevant for getting TCP/IP packets from A to B, but also UNKOWN!!
So what do want to prove with MAC addresses here? MAC addresses are on layer 2 (in the ISO/OSI layer model) and TCP/IP is on layer 3 and 4 ...
The higher layers don't know anything about the layer below them.
MAC addresses prove nothing expect when you are connected to the same PHYSICAL SWITCH or ROUTER where the device with the MAC address in question as also connected.
I highly doubt that you PC/Laptop/Mac at home shares the same physical network with any odd Avalon Box in Testing somewhere in China.
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