Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. - page 4.

BenTuras

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Quote from: mem on June 20, 2013, 12:45:34 AM

...but still raises the question what is test hardware vs clients hardware.

Try to imagine you are a manufacturer of some hardware.
Can you imagine that you will need some hardware yourself to develop and maintain the software for your hardware ?
Well, that is test hardware.

That unit was a test machine shipped to a customer, a mistake, simple explanation.

Bicknellski

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Asked and Answered.

Seriously... what more is there to this?

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Quote from: mem on June 20, 2013, 12:45:34 AM

He is still most likely lying out his ass, but oh well.

Ah, I see what this is about, but oh well, cbf to care about what you think.

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Quote from: ProfMac on June 20, 2013, 12:39:57 AM

Quote from: mem on June 19, 2013, 11:25:23 PM

Yifu dodging direct questions again:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1gonqe/avalon_claims_to_have_started_mass_shipping_via/camdqk3

How is "I don't do it" a dodge?

He has finally answered the specific issue I and others have, namely a client receiving a machine that had apparently been mining.

The excuse provided is that is not from a clients machine but from a "test machine" and that the firmware was copied without the setting being removed. It is plausible, but still raises the question what is test hardware vs clients hardware.

He is still most likely lying out his ass, but oh well.

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 20, 2013, 12:45:04 AM

Quote from: mem on June 19, 2013, 11:25:23 PM

Yifu dodging direct questions again:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1gonqe/avalon_claims_to_have_started_mass_shipping_via/camdqk3

do people even read? I think I need to explain things like everyone is 5 years old in the future.

Queue Josh style tantrums for not believing him @ his word, hell it only took ~10 forums pages before we got a direct answer !!!!

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Quote from: mem on June 19, 2013, 11:25:23 PM

Yifu dodging direct questions again:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1gonqe/avalon_claims_to_have_started_mass_shipping_via/camdqk3

do people even read? I think I need to explain things like everyone is 5 years old in the future.

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Quote from: mem on June 19, 2013, 11:25:23 PM

Yifu dodging direct questions again:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1gonqe/avalon_claims_to_have_started_mass_shipping_via/camdqk3

How is "I don't do it" a dodge?

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Yifu dodging direct questions again:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1gonqe/avalon_claims_to_have_started_mass_shipping_via/camdqk3

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It is 03:00 UTC, and the network hash rate is again over 150 Thps. Since the bottom of the trough, at about 106, the restoration path has been essentially linear and the rate nearly constant. Something broke or needed systematic changeout/fix, which required as much as 50 Thps to go off line. Some of it could have been defensive, with miners going off line when network rate fell below implied difficulty (Bph dropping significantly below 6).

EDIT: Here's a graph: http://bitcoincharts.com/

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Quote from: binaryFate on June 19, 2013, 05:30:54 PM

Quote from: rovchris on June 19, 2013, 05:22:34 PM

These cretins are going to destroy this currency - I only hope they take themselves out with it.

Chill out man. Who are you to speak like that? You've no idea what is the reason behind this, might be power shortage or things that cannot be controled. Anyway they are the most reliable company in the BTC hardware world, so they bring some value into the currency, not the opposite. Next time you think somebody is a "cretin", I suggest you think about it twice; no wait, I suggest you just shut up.

regardless of the cause, it's a significant flaw / limitation / vulnerability, that should be addressed.
What was the percentage of (HR) power lost to have such a significant impact?
What about a temporary outage, how long is too long before the damage is done?

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Pretty sad when Avalon team adamantly declared that there is no reason to use main net for burn-in. Which is true.

So, Avalon calls shame to BFL. Then they do it themselves. Sad, but not surprised.

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IMO, things aren't that bad. Certainly not bad enough to mandate fundamental changes to bitcoin. Everyone has known that astronomical network hash rate would arrive. But it's not going to run away until Moore's Law limit or until the speed of light is reached (a barrier that the High Frequency Traders in the stock market are actually facing, BTW; GOOG Reuter's preannouncement release 15 milliseconds Chicago New York).

It'll stop because of mathematical - game theoretic - reasons. If Satoshi didn't foresee that, then they weren't so omniscient after all. But it's not fatal. The next-Thps-online soon be very cheap for the big concerns, but it's never going to be free. So that will, itself, form the backstop limit.

It sure looks like something happened in terms of power. The decline (see here, e.g., ) is so linear, it sure looks like uninterpretables and backup systems running until one by one, they had to shut down, too.

Maybe it is all a plot, but then, tell me the motive.

And no, I don't want to put on the tinfoil "it's Avalon unplugging the boxes to pack and ship em" hat.

G'night.

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rovchris you need to extract yourself from the bitcoin picture and see the big picture there at work.

And sadly I will have to remind you that you and me are slaves to technology.

Just like we are ultimately in the hand of governements-we are all slaves to nuclear bomb and they can trigger it.

Technology will one day enable us to go to space though, so I am in.

ASiCS are freedom.

Some people need to see the thing with their own eyes before buying their first bitcoin.

When will they be available in timely manner or correctly priced? Never. Get used to it. Avalon's chip will only ROI if ready to mine for september.

Greed is good, it is what made bitcoin what it is today after all

More obvious is price manipulation...

All slaves to SHA256 and transistors! (wikipedia:In March 2013 American researchers at Stanford University announced they had built a transistor out of DNA and RNA molecules)

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Quote from: rovchris on June 19, 2013, 05:46:23 PM

Quote from: Hippie Tech on June 19, 2013, 05:34:05 PM

Quote from: rovchris on June 19, 2013, 01:12:46 PM

Quote from: Hippie Tech on June 19, 2013, 11:52:15 AM

Quote from: rovchris on June 19, 2013, 10:00:48 AM

Quote from: Hippie Tech on June 19, 2013, 09:56:26 AM

Can you spell 500 Ghash ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237710.0;topicseen

Are these some of the fpgas the miners were conned into trading away ?

Yes I can Five Hundred Gigahashes. Not really sure what point you are making.

How is the mining going at BTCMine? Enjoying your 10 day stint for 0.1 bitcoins?

umm.. BFL rigs = network hashrate flux

WTF does the pool I'm at have to do with this ? Get a better calculator and stop trying to distract others from the matters at hand.

Regardless my 1.4 ghash earns, I was having a freaking blast, even during this dry spell, thanks to having the peace of mind knowing that ITS AN HONEST 10 DAYS PAY. I say 'was' because these revelations have made the plot to centralize Bitcoin and rip off the miners, BLATANTLEY CLEAR.

For you or ANYONE to justify any company's burnin policy, implies of a conflict of interest. THEY MINED BTC WITH THE MINER'S PRE PAID PROPERTY. THEY, WHO EVER THEY ARE MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT.

As a show of solidarity to all those who have be taken advantage of, I'll will be taking the rest of my 2.2 ghash offline, when the current round is completed.

WE ARE THE 75% !! Soon to be 99%. :/

Well you felt the need to act like a tool with your comment of can I spell - you get treated like one.

And to further the matter you have just made yourself look like rather idiotic. You obviously have not read any of my posts as I was the one ARGUING that using customers equipment to mine is unacceptable.

Man don't just steam roller in mouthing off like a cretin without reading the thread. Only one outcome you look dumb.

As someone else pointed out the fluctuation was due to ASICMiner nothing to do with a couple of 500ghs BFL units - as the change was huge but unsurprisingly you did not bother to check that either.

Also using the same username across multiple sites is not clever either as you can be easily identified.

I can't believe you took the 'spell 500 ghash' comment personally. lmao Did you wish there was a smile face ? Grin

Lighten up.

So.. plz explain why AsicMiner would suddenly show as 'other' ? Huh

I saw how easily you agreed with that and felt I had to call you out on it. Your response is quite telling.

If you would like to discuss this .. then by all means do. Or.. sign in with one of your alter-egos and I'll try to guess if its you again. Tongue

I use the same name because one is all I need. Pretty stupid huh ?

I am actually going to apologise - I was out of line sorry.

I have been arguing with people all day long - I totally agree with you and your stand against ASIC;s we are on the same side here.

But the ASIC miner chart does coincide very nicely with drop in Network hash

No worries. Wink

pEACe

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Quote from: itod on June 19, 2013, 05:08:50 PM

Quote from: koob on June 19, 2013, 05:05:30 PM

http://www.asicminercharts.com/

Is there any logical explanation why would ASICMINER reduce it's hashing power so drastically?

Getting DDOS'ed?

Bitminter has been going down and up a few times in the past week.

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Quote from: PrintMule on June 19, 2013, 05:49:57 PM

As if it wasn't expected.

Get everyone to pay you for developing.
Mine.
Mine.
Mine.
Mine.
Ship everything to get the hype up, so everyone buys next batch.

Difference between all these manufacturers is simply the length of Mine.Mine.Mine phase

props to Vicus (OP) for detailed post

Brilliant mate - mine mine mine - some turbo mining - followed by more mining and then leaving the unit fully rapped in a ditch ready for the customer.

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As if it wasn't expected.

Get everyone to pay you for developing.
Mine.
Mine.
Mine.
Mine.
Ship everything to get the hype up, so everyone buys next batch.

Difference between all these manufacturers is simply the length of Mine.Mine.Mine phase

props to Vicus (OP) for detailed post

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Quote from: Hippie Tech on June 19, 2013, 05:34:05 PM

Quote from: rovchris on June 19, 2013, 01:12:46 PM

Quote from: Hippie Tech on June 19, 2013, 11:52:15 AM

Quote from: rovchris on June 19, 2013, 10:00:48 AM

Quote from: Hippie Tech on June 19, 2013, 09:56:26 AM

Can you spell 500 Ghash ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237710.0;topicseen

Are these some of the fpgas the miners were conned into trading away ?

Yes I can Five Hundred Gigahashes. Not really sure what point you are making.

How is the mining going at BTCMine? Enjoying your 10 day stint for 0.1 bitcoins?

umm.. BFL rigs = network hashrate flux

WTF does the pool I'm at have to do with this ? Get a better calculator and stop trying to distract others from the matters at hand.

Regardless my 1.4 ghash earns, I was having a freaking blast, even during this dry spell, thanks to having the peace of mind knowing that ITS AN HONEST 10 DAYS PAY. I say 'was' because these revelations have made the plot to centralize Bitcoin and rip off the miners, BLATANTLEY CLEAR.

For you or ANYONE to justify any company's burnin policy, implies of a conflict of interest. THEY MINED BTC WITH THE MINER'S PRE PAID PROPERTY. THEY, WHO EVER THEY ARE MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT.

As a show of solidarity to all those who have be taken advantage of, I'll will be taking the rest of my 2.2 ghash offline, when the current round is completed.

WE ARE THE 75% !! Soon to be 99%. :/

Well you felt the need to act like a tool with your comment of can I spell - you get treated like one.

And to further the matter you have just made yourself look like rather idiotic. You obviously have not read any of my posts as I was the one ARGUING that using customers equipment to mine is unacceptable.

Man don't just steam roller in mouthing off like a cretin without reading the thread. Only one outcome you look dumb.

As someone else pointed out the fluctuation was due to ASICMiner nothing to do with a couple of 500ghs BFL units - as the change was huge but unsurprisingly you did not bother to check that either.

Also using the same username across multiple sites is not clever either as you can be easily identified.

I can't believe you took the 'spell 500 ghash' comment personally. lmao Did you wish there was a smile face ? Grin

Lighten up.

So.. plz explain why AsicMiner would suddenly show as 'other' ? Huh

I saw how easily you agreed with that and felt I had to call you out on it. Your response is quite telling.

If you would like to discuss this .. then by all means do. Or.. sign in with one of your alter-egos and I'll try to guess if its you again. Tongue

I use the same name because one is all I need. Pretty stupid huh ?

I am actually going to apologise - I was out of line sorry.

I have been arguing with people all day long - I totally agree with you and your stand against ASIC;s we are on the same side here.

But the ASIC miner chart does coincide very nicely with drop in Network hash

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Quote from: binaryFate on June 19, 2013, 05:30:54 PM

Quote from: rovchris on June 19, 2013, 05:22:34 PM

These cretins are going to destroy this currency - I only hope they take themselves out with it.

Chill out man. Who are you to speak like that? You've no idea what is the reason behind this, might be power shortage or things that cannot be controled. Anyway they are the most reliable company in the BTC hardware world, so they bring some value into the currency, not the opposite. Next time you think somebody is a "cretin", I suggest you think about it twice; no wait, I suggest you just shut up.

If you can not see the problem with one company that can impact the entire network when they have a power outage on what is supposedly a decentralised currency then you do not understand what the entire point of bitcoins were.

They have gone totally against the whole ethos of the coin.

Read the whitepaper.

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Quote from: kano on June 19, 2013, 04:56:02 PM

Meanwhile, many Avalon customers got their shipping notices ... and the bitcoin network dropped over the last couple of days ...

Very interested to see if any of them will contain more logs...

Do the owners know how to look ?

Hippie Tech

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Quote from: rovchris on June 19, 2013, 01:12:46 PM

Quote from: Hippie Tech on June 19, 2013, 11:52:15 AM

Quote from: rovchris on June 19, 2013, 10:00:48 AM

Quote from: Hippie Tech on June 19, 2013, 09:56:26 AM

Can you spell 500 Ghash ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237710.0;topicseen

Are these some of the fpgas the miners were conned into trading away ?

Yes I can Five Hundred Gigahashes. Not really sure what point you are making.

How is the mining going at BTCMine? Enjoying your 10 day stint for 0.1 bitcoins?

umm.. BFL rigs = network hashrate flux

WTF does the pool I'm at have to do with this ? Get a better calculator and stop trying to distract others from the matters at hand.

Regardless my 1.4 ghash earns, I was having a freaking blast, even during this dry spell, thanks to having the peace of mind knowing that ITS AN HONEST 10 DAYS PAY. I say 'was' because these revelations have made the plot to centralize Bitcoin and rip off the miners, BLATANTLEY CLEAR.

For you or ANYONE to justify any company's burnin policy, implies of a conflict of interest. THEY MINED BTC WITH THE MINER'S PRE PAID PROPERTY. THEY, WHO EVER THEY ARE MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT.

As a show of solidarity to all those who have be taken advantage of, I'll will be taking the rest of my 2.2 ghash offline, when the current round is completed.

WE ARE THE 75% !! Soon to be 99%. :/

Well you felt the need to act like a tool with your comment of can I spell - you get treated like one.

And to further the matter you have just made yourself look like rather idiotic. You obviously have not read any of my posts as I was the one ARGUING that using customers equipment to mine is unacceptable.

Man don't just steam roller in mouthing off like a cretin without reading the thread. Only one outcome you look dumb.

As someone else pointed out the fluctuation was due to ASICMiner nothing to do with a couple of 500ghs BFL units - as the change was huge but unsurprisingly you did not bother to check that either.

Also using the same username across multiple sites is not clever either as you can be easily identified.

I can't believe you took the 'spell 500 ghash' comment personally. lmao Did you wish there was a smile face ? Grin

Lighten up.

So.. plz explain why AsicMiner would suddenly show as 'other' ? Huh

I saw how easily you agreed with that and felt I had to call you out on it. Your response is quite telling.

If you would like to discuss this .. then by all means do. Or.. sign in with one of your alter-egos and I'll try to guess if its you again. Tongue

I use the same name because one is all I need. Pretty stupid huh ?

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