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March 05, 2015, 02:19:52 PM
#33
I believe in Bitcoin because it makes me the owner, and I mean the only owner of my money.

No one can tell me what to do with it, how to spend it, and how much I can spend.

Where can you send $100,000,000 for just $0.04 in fees? Can you tell me?  Wink

And don't forget the endless possibilities of the blockchain and the network power behind it.

One of the few replies of interest so far, thank you.

In regards to sending $100 million, I don't know what kind of fees someone gets charged for that as I've never tried. My guess is that if you are a billionaire and in the habit of sending $100 million around, probably someone is paying you for the privilege of being the one to carry out your transactions, rather than the other way around. As for sending it with bitcoins... yes you can send 400,000 bitcoins with a low fee, but no, you can't send $100 million USD with that low fee... conversion charges on either side will eat you alive, not to mention market illiquidity. But even if you are right... sending very large sums like that is of use only to a tiny tiny fraction of the population, and small scale transactions that typify the economy generally have very low / no fees to the user.

As for no one telling you what to do with it, how to spend it, and how much you can spend... does someone tell you that with real money? The government takes its cut in taxes (which it will certainly take with bitcoin too if it ever grows outside of a tiny niche), and the rest you can do with as you please (outside of criminal activities), can you not? I mean maybe your significant other imposes some restrictions on your spending, but that hardly goes away regardless of what kind of currency you use.

As for blockchain technology... yes, there is a real innovation there, and it perhaps can find its uses. Though, I am not certain of its applicability for uses other than "online coins", since the design of the blockchain has been around for ~6 years now, and no major company has adopted it for other uses as far as I know. Still, even if cryptographically secured iterative ledgers modeled on the blockchain become commonplace in other commercial applications, that still says nothing about bitcoin itself being succesful.

Also, what do you mean by the only owner? In what regard do you own the bitcoin in your digital wallet more definitively than the dollar bill in your physical wallet or the bar of gold in your safe box?
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March 05, 2015, 02:13:15 PM
#32
I think it is.

Bitcoin use adoption has stalled. Media interest has dissipated. Prices have only slowly continued to decline for a long time now. Bitcoin securities have always been and still are a complete mess, with a near 100% failure (scam/fraud/incompetence/etc) rate. Mining has been concentrated in the hands of a few giant players, eliminating much of the advantage/security/democracy of thousands of individuals being the money processors. Alternative forms of online payment with US dollars (and other fiat currencies) are now cheaper, faster, and more secure than bitcoin (and of course far more usable to buy/sell real goods/services), eliminating any of its advantages as a payment system. Continued decline of bitcoin and strength in fiat currencies has put the lie to the idea of bitcoin as a store of value; there are far better more reliable hedges against inflation. Meanwhile the real economy is firing on all cylinders, stock markets are at all time highs, corporate earnings are higher than ever, unemployment is low, etc. Even amid the boom, no one cares about bitcoin any more. Bitcoin was a fad that lasted a few years, and is now on its way to being forgotten.

Thoughts? Anyone seriously disagree with this conclusion?

What are you said is right, but that's law of nature who will survive they will going to be rich, that's not prove bitcoin is dead, just competition between who want to be rich.
and about bitcoin security is just human error, blockchain technology is safe i think with different address each person. It just human error who can't make their asset safe.


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March 05, 2015, 02:12:14 PM
#31
I am just surprised at the fact how come a senior member becomes a doomster of Bitcoin! After viewing you post history, I found you have involved a lot in the bitcoin stock investing. Probably you made some loss so you are despaired of it. In crypto world there are a lot of scams, fraudulence etc. It is fully understood that some ppl encounter it and leave. 

I've lost about 1 BTC in securities, yes. Annoying, but hardly a big deal. Lost a little bit and learned my lesson. However, that is not the reason that I am doubtful of bitcoin's future.
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March 05, 2015, 02:10:14 PM
#30
Welcome on my never ending ignore list.

Your call of course. Personally, I reserve my ignore list for trolls, rather than people that make one post I disagree with. But suit yourself.
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March 05, 2015, 02:09:43 PM
#29
I disagree massively with this part.  Stock markets are high, agreed.  This is due to stock buybacks and huge bubble P/E ratios, not fundamentals though. 

P/E ratios are near historic norms and far from bubble peaks:

http://bespokeinvest.com/thinkbig/2014/5/20/sp-500-historical-pe-ratio.html

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Unemployment as paid by the state is low, I agree.  But the participation level is very very low, almost the same as in the trough of the recession in 2008. 

The population (in Western countries) is aging and an ever greater fraction of the population are retired, leading to a long term decline in participation rates until we get over the demographic hump. The unemployment rate is more relevant because it counts the people that are actually looking for work and not finding it, rather than counting retirees, college students, etc.

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People may not care about Bitcoin, but do you seriously not think that there will be an "internet money" in the future, so that you can pay for anything, anywhere without having to convert?

I think that future is already here, and we are already all using it, with online payment processors that let you buy things in any currency for only a nominal fee.
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March 05, 2015, 01:58:17 PM
#28
Is bitcoin dead?

Are you alive? What have you been doing today?

Considering BTC, there are more than 80,000 transactions each passing day. Not bad for something you see as dead dead.

This.

How can you consider something is dead when in  reality, much activity is happening around? Doesn't make any sense!
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March 05, 2015, 01:57:06 PM
#27
Dead? Why did you say so? Does the adoption rate dictate the future of bitcoin as a whole? It can be of a great factor, yes, but it is not the sole factor in which bitcoin might use. There are lot of things. Just because the price is low doesn't mean that the currency is dead. Ups and downs are a part of such currencies.

Maybe something bad happened to you recently?
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March 05, 2015, 01:22:19 PM
#26
Is bitcoin dead?

Are you alive? What have you been doing today?

Considering BTC, there are more than 80,000 transactions each passing day. Not bad for something you see as dead dead.
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March 05, 2015, 12:58:22 PM
#25
I think it is.

Bitcoin use adoption has stalled. Media interest has dissipated. Prices have only slowly continued to decline for a long time now. Bitcoin securities have always been and still are a complete mess, with a near 100% failure (scam/fraud/incompetence/etc) rate. Mining has been concentrated in the hands of a few giant players, eliminating much of the advantage/security/democracy of thousands of individuals being the money processors. Alternative forms of online payment with US dollars (and other fiat currencies) are now cheaper, faster, and more secure than bitcoin (and of course far more usable to buy/sell real goods/services), eliminating any of its advantages as a payment system. Continued decline of bitcoin and strength in fiat currencies has put the lie to the idea of bitcoin as a store of value; there are far better more reliable hedges against inflation. Meanwhile the real economy is firing on all cylinders, stock markets are at all time highs, corporate earnings are higher than ever, unemployment is low, etc. Even amid the boom, no one cares about bitcoin any more. Bitcoin was a fad that lasted a few years, and is now on its way to being forgotten.

Thoughts? Anyone seriously disagree with this conclusion?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2013/11/28/global-bitcoin-computing-power-now-256-times-faster-than-top-500-supercomputers-combined/

Look at this.

Now look at the crash.

Now realize that Bitcoin is still the #1 computing power in the world.

Get some f***ing perspective you catastrophic guys. Sit back and relax. Bitcoin is unstoppable. You literally need to do shit nothing about it beyond waiting and let things develop.
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March 05, 2015, 12:49:33 PM
#24
You're right, bitcoin is dead. Listen, I'd hate to see someone like you lose all your value in BTC. I'll buy your soon-to-be-worthless bitcoin from you for...let's say 50% on the BTC. I'm doing you a HUGE favor here, you can find my address in my profile. ONce I receive the coin I'll Paypal or Venmo the cash to you.
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March 05, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
#23
Dead again? Poor bitcoin. That makes 500 deaths so far.

We need a standard obituary that can be auto posted. It's exhausting preparing for this many funerals. Oh... wait,... It's twitching again and it's heart is starting up. Gota go. 
woah , are you alright ? should i call the ambulance mate? , we actually have ambulance in my town that is thinking about accepting BTC payments .. : )
taste that op
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March 05, 2015, 11:26:01 AM
#22
Dead again? Poor bitcoin. That makes 500 deaths so far.

We need a standard obituary that can be auto posted. It's exhausting preparing for this many funerals. Oh... wait,... It's twitching again and it's heart is starting up. Gota go. 
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March 05, 2015, 11:22:00 AM
#21
Op I can tell you one thing. People already invested so much in bitcoin that is is not advisable to resign in a half way. Nobody who was interested in bitcoin will quit just because price of bitcoin are little low now. So bitcoin is no dead at never will be.
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March 05, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
#19
No. Bitcoin price is taking a brake. The potential is still enormous, so I would stack up.  Cool
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March 05, 2015, 10:17:51 AM
#18
I think it is.

Bitcoin use adoption has stalled. Media interest has dissipated. Prices have only slowly continued to decline for a long time now. Bitcoin securities have always been and still are a complete mess, with a near 100% failure (scam/fraud/incompetence/etc) rate. Mining has been concentrated in the hands of a few giant players, eliminating much of the advantage/security/democracy of thousands of individuals being the money processors. Alternative forms of online payment with US dollars (and other fiat currencies) are now cheaper, faster, and more secure than bitcoin (and of course far more usable to buy/sell real goods/services), eliminating any of its advantages as a payment system. Continued decline of bitcoin and strength in fiat currencies has put the lie to the idea of bitcoin as a store of value; there are far better more reliable hedges against inflation. Meanwhile the real economy is firing on all cylinders, stock markets are at all time highs, corporate earnings are higher than ever, unemployment is low, etc. Even amid the boom, no one cares about bitcoin any more. Bitcoin was a fad that lasted a few years, and is now on its way to being forgotten.

Thoughts? Anyone seriously disagree with this conclusion?

FTFY
I seriously disagree with most of what you wrote. Just because bitcoin bullrun didnt go everlasting doesnt mean the progress isnt being made, and that the technology will be abandoned.
It takes time for things to change, and it takes even more time to get worldwide acceptance.
It is a total miracle the price stopped declining where it did, considering mass cashouts people made due to insane amount of bitcoin horror stories and the fact the bullrun finished for now, i thought at first it will stop
at about 100$ or even lower.
Bitcoin is increasing its infuence week by week, and when true regulation takes place, that is when the corporate money will be dragged into it, and then, there is no stopping, but in the end, this is how i see things,
and how i feel about it, so results may vary.

cheers
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March 05, 2015, 10:13:13 AM
#17
I've been following bitcoin deaths at http://bitcoinobituaries.com/ Smiley

It dies a lot...
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March 05, 2015, 10:10:13 AM
#16
Bitcoin securities have always been and still are a complete mess, with a near 100% failure (scam/fraud/incompetence/etc) rate.

All the above securities failure are not related to bitcoin network itself, right?
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March 05, 2015, 09:19:07 AM
#15
Don't be too greedy and trying to manipulate the price OP

Meh, no interest in crap like that. The only bitcoins I ever got were a few back when you could mine profitably with GPUs, and a few more in exchange for services. Never bought any with real money and don't plan to. What I am interested in is if anyone serious still sees a future in bitcoin, and if so, what they're reasons might be. That's why I started this thread.

I believe in Bitcoin because it makes me the owner, and I mean the only owner of my money.

No one can tell me what to do with it, how to spend it, and how much I can spend.

Where can you send $100,000,000 for just $0.04 in fees? Can you tell me?  Wink

And don't forget the endless possibilities of the blockchain and the network power behind it.
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March 05, 2015, 08:18:42 AM
#14
I think it is.

Bitcoin use adoption has stalled. Media interest has dissipated. Prices have only slowly continued to decline for a long time now. Bitcoin securities have always been and still are a complete mess, with a near 100% failure (scam/fraud/incompetence/etc) rate. Mining has been concentrated in the hands of a few giant players, eliminating much of the advantage/security/democracy of thousands of individuals being the money processors. Alternative forms of online payment with US dollars (and other fiat currencies) are now cheaper, faster, and more secure than bitcoin (and of course far more usable to buy/sell real goods/services), eliminating any of its advantages as a payment system. Continued decline of bitcoin and strength in fiat currencies has put the lie to the idea of bitcoin as a store of value; there are far better more reliable hedges against inflation. Meanwhile the real economy is firing on all cylinders, stock markets are at all time highs, corporate earnings are higher than ever, unemployment is low, etc. Even amid the boom, no one cares about bitcoin any more. Bitcoin was a fad that lasted a few years, and is now on its way to being forgotten.

Thoughts? Anyone seriously disagree with this conclusion?

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