Is escrowing for yourself using a secret alt OK? - page 2.

mallard

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Quote from: erikalui on September 15, 2015, 09:10:55 AM

Quote from: Omikifuse on September 15, 2015, 04:24:09 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on September 15, 2015, 12:30:41 AM

Quote from: B4zzA on September 15, 2015, 12:11:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Still arguing about this? Keep digging deeper. Shocked

Someone wiser than me implied a few months ago that QS was running a long con..... I suspect he was caught before pulling it off.

Everyone knows he has alternate accounts selling them.

is this true quickseller?

QS said he doesn't sell accounts anymore some time ago, and more than once

Up to you believe him or not

He still sells accounts as last month only I guess he had mentioned it on the forum that he sold a DT account. May be after this incident he'll stop or may continue via his alt/s account/s.

Why is selling account bad? What if you get one as a loan collateral?

yingbb0301

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Marshall Mathers

if it's about QS than a BIG NO. Tongue

ndnh

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New Decentralized Nuclear Hobbit

Wait.. why isn't anyone suspecting whether theymos is my alt or not?

Edit: No self-escrow. legit. Not against any rules.

Gummibärchen

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Since we are in a mostly unregulated grey zone, there are obviously none or very little options to bring a case forward to the courts by any legal means. So the entire "escrow business" is a business of common trust. By definition - and this has been mentioned earlier a couple of times, escrow is a third party and a third party only. In this sense I would consider self escrow as highly immoral and unethical, even if it can't be deemed as illegal or criminal, due to the unregulated state of Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Omikifuse on September 15, 2015, 04:24:09 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on September 15, 2015, 12:30:41 AM

Quote from: B4zzA on September 15, 2015, 12:11:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Still arguing about this? Keep digging deeper. Shocked

Someone wiser than me implied a few months ago that QS was running a long con..... I suspect he was caught before pulling it off.

Everyone knows he has alternate accounts selling them.

is this true quickseller?

QS said he doesn't sell accounts anymore some time ago, and more than once

Up to you believe him or not

He still sells accounts as last month only I guess he had mentioned it on the forum that he sold a DT account. May be after this incident he'll stop or may continue via his alt/s account/s.

Ceizer54

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I don't agree that Escrowing for ourselver using other secret account is NOT ok...The purpose of escrow is not this...If we use our own other account as escrow then we already cheated with the other person..The escrow should be someone old respected trustworthy member of the forum

Omikifuse

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on September 15, 2015, 12:30:41 AM

Quote from: B4zzA on September 15, 2015, 12:11:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Still arguing about this? Keep digging deeper. Shocked

Someone wiser than me implied a few months ago that QS was running a long con..... I suspect he was caught before pulling it off.

Everyone knows he has alternate accounts selling them.

is this true quickseller?

QS said he doesn't sell accounts anymore some time ago, and more than once

Up to you believe him or not

B4zzA

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Quote from: onemorexmr on September 15, 2015, 02:50:54 AM

Quote from: BAGOBO on September 15, 2015, 02:48:47 AM

Quote from: B4zzA on September 15, 2015, 01:08:34 AM

Quote from: Sourgummies on September 15, 2015, 12:50:22 AM

Those videos are creepy man. Shocked

Pretty much everything about him is creepy....

To be honest, I can't stare at her eyes over 5 second Embarrassed

even she's just on video Cry

and i think i am nuts... i like her Wink

I like her too on her other account.

onemorexmr

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Quote from: BAGOBO on September 15, 2015, 02:48:47 AM

Quote from: B4zzA on September 15, 2015, 01:08:34 AM

Quote from: Sourgummies on September 15, 2015, 12:50:22 AM

Those videos are creepy man. Shocked

Pretty much everything about him is creepy....

To be honest, I can't stare at her eyes over 5 second Embarrassed

even she's just on video Cry

and i think i am nuts... i like her Wink

BAGOBO

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Quote from: B4zzA on September 15, 2015, 01:08:34 AM

Quote from: Sourgummies on September 15, 2015, 12:50:22 AM

Those videos are creepy man. Shocked

Pretty much everything about him is creepy....

To be honest, I can't stare at her eyes over 5 second Embarrassed

even she's just on video Cry

B4zzA

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Quote from: Sourgummies on September 15, 2015, 12:50:22 AM

Those videos are creepy man. Shocked

Pretty much everything about him is creepy....

Sourgummies

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Never ending parties are what Im into.

Those videos are creepy man. Shocked

ABitNut

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I'm a cynic, I'm a quaint

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on September 15, 2015, 12:30:41 AM

Quote from: B4zzA on September 15, 2015, 12:11:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Still arguing about this? Keep digging deeper. Shocked

Someone wiser than me implied a few months ago that QS was running a long con..... I suspect he was caught before pulling it off.

Everyone knows he has alternate accounts selling them.

is this true quickseller?

Good luck trying to get straight answers out of someone as cunning and deceptive as QuickSeller. They only choose to answer when they can twist their words.

jonald_fyookball

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Quote from: B4zzA on September 15, 2015, 12:11:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Still arguing about this? Keep digging deeper. Shocked

Someone wiser than me implied a few months ago that QS was running a long con..... I suspect he was caught before pulling it off.

Everyone knows he has alternate accounts selling them.

is this true quickseller?

B4zzA

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Activity: 28

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Still arguing about this? Keep digging deeper. Shocked

Someone wiser than me implied a few months ago that QS was running a long con..... I suspect he was caught before pulling it off.

Everyone knows he has alternate accounts selling them.

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Quote from: dooglus on September 13, 2015, 11:38:15 PM

Quote from: hikedoon on September 13, 2015, 09:06:22 PM

Is that your picture in your profile? I always imagine an indignant teenage feminists voice raging against "whatever" when i read your posts.

See these videos for some background:

http://youtu.be/Yh0AhrY9GjA

http://youtu.be/KAVmF-dYv4U

I get the same feeling though. The profile picture was well chosen.

I wish i hadn't watched them dooglus. Grin

I'm feeling too old for this site tonight. Grin

I'm now going back into my bubble of meme-ignorance , please don't burst it again. Grin

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RIP Mommy

Using the Oxford English Dictionary definitions of words Quickseller has used, there is no such thing as:
"escrowing for yourself"
"self-escrow"
"middlemanning for yourself"
"self-middlemanning"

https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/escrow
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/custody
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/trustee
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/middleman

Proper changes to the OP title could be:
"self-dealing" http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/self-dealing.asp
"masquerading as a third-party to fraudulently benefit from escrow fees"

jonald_fyookball

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Quote from: Keyser Soze on September 14, 2015, 04:49:34 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on September 11, 2015, 06:00:29 PM

You have still failed to explain why that matters. If it was known that Daniel is the person you are trading with then you would have sent first to Daniel without escrow.

I don't know how it could have been more clear.

Quote from: Keyser Soze on September 11, 2015, 05:48:26 PM

In both scenarios Alice is expecting the escrow to resolve the dispute as a third party. Alice has no reason to suspect the escrow has any bias towards Alice or Bob.
In scenario 1, Charlie is able to act without bias because he is an independent party.
In scenario 2, Daniel is unable to act without bias because he is also acting as a party to the trade.

Scenario 1 will always be more favorable for Alice compared to scenario 2 since there is no bias. Also, by definition, Daniel is not an escrow to the trade since he is not a third party.

As I stated previously, it is misleading and disingenuous to act as if you were providing an escrow service when you really are not.

Don't bother debating. I tried that.

If a person wants to avoid logic, facts, rationality, and honesty,
there's no way to force them into it.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 11, 2015, 06:00:29 PM

You have still failed to explain why that matters. If it was known that Daniel is the person you are trading with then you would have sent first to Daniel without escrow.

I don't know how it could have been more clear.

Quote from: Keyser Soze on September 11, 2015, 05:48:26 PM

In both scenarios Alice is expecting the escrow to resolve the dispute as a third party. Alice has no reason to suspect the escrow has any bias towards Alice or Bob.
In scenario 1, Charlie is able to act without bias because he is an independent party.
In scenario 2, Daniel is unable to act without bias because he is also acting as a party to the trade.

Scenario 1 will always be more favorable for Alice compared to scenario 2 since there is no bias. Also, by definition, Daniel is not an escrow to the trade since he is not a third party.

As I stated previously, it is misleading and disingenuous to act as if you were providing an escrow service when you really are not.

Shadow_Runner

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Quote from: BiPolarBob on September 14, 2015, 03:18:05 PM

Quote from: Shadow_Runner on September 14, 2015, 02:57:32 PM

That is QS PO box. It is registered under a US citizen with a US address. Stop trying to protect him QS doesn't live in Canada. Use SE to figure out more info! Pretending to be a lawyer helps! My dox will be up tonight or tomorrow. Just waiting on some info on who lives at the address on QS ID

Good to see you taking a stand against deceptive people.

"To refrain from imitation is the best revenge" -- Marcus Aurelius

I never said anything about that. I hate Quickseller is what I have said.

I'm all for being the bad guy, you just better not pretend to be the good guy.

Also wondering why you edited Quicksellers address out of your quote. That was worth the extra effort? Same as coming over into my thread? AND SENDING ME PRIVATE MESSAGES?

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