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What is most wrong and painful is the time and physical strength lost by the gambler. He could suffer a lot by losing brain power. Which means he would lose self control, and face more accumulated loses in the gambling session. Addicts don't regard wins, in my view, as serious as non addicts do, because when an addict wins he would focus on playing all his profits away. They'll hardly take profits as a result of a reduced brain power. The game is now participated against their will. The obligation available to them is gambling. That's why such people need consistent help.

At the same time, I believe that there is nothing more problematic for treatment than a drug addict and a ludomaniac in one person.  The fact is that psychiatry believes that their treatment should be according to the same program, but it should be two completely different approaches. And then it will be an effective and correct treatment. Because drug addiction is a disease of the body - it is a chemical reaction from which a person needs to be weaned. And ludomania is a disease of money perception, a complete depreciation of fiat.
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A hobby is an entertaining activity that someone does for pleasure in order to relax outside of his regular work and responsibilities. Hobbies varies depending on someone's interests and preferences, it could be any type of sport, games, movies, books and so on.

Gambling is not considered as a traditional hobby on its own because of the risks that it might cause like wasting money and getting addicted. Being it a chance based activity, many people can't consider it as a particular habit but I think that if a gambler learns how to gamble right and learns how to manage his habits gambling could come out as a really fun hobby.
Before talking about hobbies, I would like to make one thing clear the hobbies of rich and poor are different. If a poor person gambles, gambling can be a source of income and a hope for a better future. If a rich person gambles, he is doing it for fun and entertainment and he barely cares about losing the money being used for it.

I'm sorry but I can't agree with you. How gambling can be a source of income for a poor person can never be said for sure. If someone wins money by gambling once, he gambles twice the second time and loses double the money, leaving him destitute and empty-handed. This happened to my neighbor so for a poor person never gamble and win money he will become a millionaire with the attitude that his gambling will never be right his family will be in danger he will be in danger himself that day he will suffer so this kind of fun gambling or money Gambling for earning will never be right for him.
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A hobby is an entertaining activity that someone does for pleasure in order to relax outside of his regular work and responsibilities. Hobbies varies depending on someone's interests and preferences, it could be any type of sport, games, movies, books and so on.

Gambling is not considered as a traditional hobby on its own because of the risks that it might cause like wasting money and getting addicted. Being it a chance based activity, many people can't consider it as a particular habit but I think that if a gambler learns how to gamble right and learns how to manage his habits gambling could come out as a really fun hobby.
Before talking about hobbies, I would like to make one thing clear the hobbies of rich and poor are different. If a poor person gambles, gambling can be a source of income and a hope for a better future. If a rich person gambles, he is doing it for fun and entertainment and he barely cares about losing the money being used for it.

But if you look, you will see people with an average or low income gambling more, the main reason is that the things heard from people are based on lies that such and such a person earned so much money from gambling and becomes rich and induces them to gamble and in this temptation, they lose their present money as well

Yes, I know some people who have no compulsions who gamble just to pass the time and get pleasure and I also know people who have complete control over themselves and know how much money we should spend on gambling, I have also seen such people getting profit but mostly I have seen them lose by tempting people.
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April 28, 2024, 07:23:41 PM
Gambling can definitely be a hobby because there are many people who likes gambling and enjoy it when playing for fun.
But there is a slim line between calling it a hobby and getting addicted to it and there are gambling addicts who call it a hobby but are addicted to gambling itsead.
So we must understand that difference but for the topic of this post, yes, gambling can be a hobby.

An addict wouldn't come directly to say he's addicted. Within him he would think he's not addicted. They enjoy every single part of gambling and crave more of it. When participating in gambling as a hobby staying careful is the right thing doing. As you mentioned, gambling as a hobby has a thin line between addiction. When care is not taken the gambler would have a hard time escaping addiction.

Gambling as a hobby seem to be a daily gambling activity and the player needs to maintain a level of concentration while gambling, daily. What Is most relevant is getting the limits in place. Nothing else. Players who get carried away will find themselves struggle with addiction. While gambling can be a hobby it's a risk for a greedy gambling. Fun players can deal with it, and level it with few months of break. Taking a break is quite effective in recuperating the brain, during those times of rest.
I think not all addicts do enjoy their Gambling session because some of them are even tired of it maybe due to the frequent losses they do get from their gambling habits but something doesn't just sits well with them because no how hard they will try its still circles back and that's why it's said that some gambling cases needs extra hands to tackle because stopping and enjoying an addiction is two different things.

Yes, they don't enjoy their game and do focus mainly on staying active in the game the whole time, claiming to be interested in the game. Most players fail to understand they've lost so much money in the process. Also their mental stability also is affected in the gambling process. Such that when asked they'll say all is fine with them. Of course they're not meant to open up about their problem because they don't feel like having been addicted. Hence, when gambling people would begin to notice new changes in the person's life but he wouldn't care about it due to the focus they have on their games. And how all the addict's attention is glued to the game.

What is most wrong and painful is the time and physical strength lost by the gambler. He could suffer a lot by losing brain power. Which means he would lose self control, and face more accumulated loses in the gambling session. Addicts don't regard wins, in my view, as serious as non addicts do, because when an addict wins he would focus on playing all his profits away. They'll hardly take profits as a result of a reduced brain power. The game is now participated against their will. The obligation available to them is gambling. That's why such people need consistent help.
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April 28, 2024, 04:34:47 PM
But when people go to the movies, they lose money
They travel, they lose money
They buy books to read, they lose money
And when they gamble, they lose money too

It is not about the money lost, but the satisfaction they get from the money they are going to lose. A hobby is anything you enjoy doing always, it doesn't matter how much money you lose when doing it, even if it's gambling.  It is only left for you to limit the level at with you engage in the activity you love (your hobby) so it doesn't prevent you from being productive in other aspects of your life. Gambling can be a hobby to many people.
Correct, I don't know why a lot people are taking serious with loss in gambling, when they're actually giving away their money for other thing and didn't see that as loss!

Example, if you own a cat, you need to buy the foods and litter box, you might buy supplement or go to the vet when your cat sick, are those thing free? Huh

If someone say gambling is stupid games that only make you loss, I could say own a cat is stupid too since sooner or later your cat will die.

I think that gambling is stupid in the first place as you can start thinking before that gambling session and say to yourself,if I don't gamble this time I can have a plus hundred dollars more in my account supposing that 100 dollars is the amount you are willing to spend during that session.Now if we think like that it will be very difficult for most of us to keep gambling as a hobby as in the end it is a hobby that takes money out from you,unnecessary lost amounts,if people want to have gambling as a hobby all providers gives you through their website,I mean slot providers,give you the option to enjoy their games completely free of charge so why should anyone who says I have gambling as a hobby play with real money,I see no point in doing this,so the end is that gambling cannot be a hobby.
Why pay for a hobby when you can get the same rush for free? Completely makes sense. But it's not always about money

Consider that some people want risk, that delectable risk. They want the excitement of a triumph, that dopamine surge. A deep-seated psychological issue, you know? Free games don't touch that spot. Not everyone should blow their bank accounts. But aren't hobbies about finding your value? People collect stamps, right? No profit. Running shoes and race expenses cost others a fortune. They play differently and seek various highs

I cannot stress enough: responsible gaming is essential. Know your limits and leave when necessary - no negotiation. Could we all agree on that, regardless of how we get our kicks?
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April 28, 2024, 12:27:55 PM
But when people go to the movies, they lose money
They travel, they lose money
They buy books to read, they lose money
And when they gamble, they lose money too

It is not about the money lost, but the satisfaction they get from the money they are going to lose. A hobby is anything you enjoy doing always, it doesn't matter how much money you lose when doing it, even if it's gambling.  It is only left for you to limit the level at with you engage in the activity you love (your hobby) so it doesn't prevent you from being productive in other aspects of your life. Gambling can be a hobby to many people.
Correct, I don't know why a lot people are taking serious with loss in gambling, when they're actually giving away their money for other thing and didn't see that as loss!

Example, if you own a cat, you need to buy the foods and litter box, you might buy supplement or go to the vet when your cat sick, are those thing free? Huh

If someone say gambling is stupid games that only make you loss, I could say own a cat is stupid too since sooner or later your cat will die.

You can't really blame them, the society most of us live in view gambling in a negative way. Maintaining gambling as a hobby seems more like promoting an addiction to them. It is only common for those who live in such environments to see gambling as a game played by lazy irresponsible people just to waste money and come back home looking all miserable. The stereotype is really much though and that is why the few responsible gamblers amongst us have to change that narrative. "Gambling is my hobby and I will pay money to enjoy what i love whenever i have the time for it, i have a job which I take seriously and I also have a family I take care of". Not all gamblers are irresponsible and taking up gambling as a hobby is not a waste of resources either.
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April 28, 2024, 12:08:21 PM
full-time job? That's crazy! I'm just wondering, how often they get them winnings - that they decided to dedicate thier whole life innit? It's pretty much like a small scale business anyways; they gotta wager their home appliances along side when they run short of funds..hahahaha!!!
No. You are getting it wrong. It is not like they dedicate their whole existence to it. For those in this category, it is just like a 9 - 5. And mind you, they do not all wager. The ones I know of aren't addicted. It is only the addicts that wager personal effects. Those who take gambling as a career, have goals and plans just like you would on your regular jobs. Some of the them have YouTube channels where they discuss their gambling, strategies or whatever subject matter on gambling that interests their audience. Some of them have written books and put it on sale on Amazon, eBay and the other online book shops, some of the also have gambling podcasts too. It is not all gambling or betting it is both and other gambling activities that pays the bills.


we're talking about people who do this for a living. Its easy to picture some reckless stereotype, but a lot of professional gamblers... they're operating more like business owners. They're on YouTube, writing books, doing podcasts - building whole communities of people who want to learn. Its about mastering a system, not mindless luck. Just like with any business, there's knowledge, strategy, constant improvement involved. This isnt the image most have of gambling, but these folks blaze their own trails, take control of their lives... just like any entrepreneur out there
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April 28, 2024, 11:41:23 AM

It's because an addict will not focus on himself but in gambling alone. An addicted gambler is blinded by his gambling activities that he was not able to see what's really happening to himself. This can only be visible by the people that surround that certain addicted gambler.

Limiting oneself is really what we need. though, it is not easy to obtain due to the urge to continue gambling for some reason, such as taking back losses, being confident because of recent win, etc.. But yes, taking a break is needed, I also do practice this especially if I have a recent loss or if I know I have won enough.

That's right, an addict will not focus on himself, but he will only focus on the gambling games he sees there, and he can do all kinds of ways to gamble according to his heart. Yes, you are right, an addict cannot see what is good and what is bad for him, but most addicts see what at the beginning looks sweet and profitable, but in the end he will experience severe suffering because he does not have good boundaries in carrying out the gambling he likes.
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Personally I don't see how anyone would take a habit if losing money as a hobby and that woudl either be an excuse to keep up to with the habit or beign delusional, yeah I agree that gambling might be fun and can add thrill to a normal game but it can't be a hobby in my opinion and with the introduction of esportsbet app that has taken the losing to a whole new level and winning its now all about the money rather than fun cause I've never enjoyed any online casino game and its hardly entertaining to me.
People who gamble primarily for fun, gamble for fun, at one point become completely addicted to gambling, and once they become addicted to gambling, they never know the difference between right and wrong. Gambling is an addiction which is like a terminal cancer. Once addicted, their families suffer the consequences. Those who are addicted to gambling, if they win money once, they are desperate to win twice as much money the second time. Her family had to pay the price of Erin's life. So everyone should refrain from this kind of gambling so that their family can live well with their family. Gambling can never bring happiness or peace to anyone's life.
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April 28, 2024, 10:30:34 AM
But when people go to the movies, they lose money
They travel, they lose money
They buy books to read, they lose money
And when they gamble, they lose money too

It is not about the money lost, but the satisfaction they get from the money they are going to lose. A hobby is anything you enjoy doing always, it doesn't matter how much money you lose when doing it, even if it's gambling.  It is only left for you to limit the level at with you engage in the activity you love (your hobby) so it doesn't prevent you from being productive in other aspects of your life. Gambling can be a hobby to many people.
Correct, I don't know why a lot people are taking serious with loss in gambling, when they're actually giving away their money for other thing and didn't see that as loss!

Example, if you own a cat, you need to buy the foods and litter box, you might buy supplement or go to the vet when your cat sick, are those thing free? Huh

If someone say gambling is stupid games that only make you loss, I could say own a cat is stupid too since sooner or later your cat will die.

I think that gambling is stupid in the first place as you can start thinking before that gambling session and say to yourself,if I don't gamble this time I can have a plus hundred dollars more in my account supposing that 100 dollars is the amount you are willing to spend during that session.Now if we think like that it will be very difficult for most of us to keep gambling as a hobby as in the end it is a hobby that takes money out from you,unnecessary lost amounts,if people want to have gambling as a hobby all providers gives you through their website,I mean slot providers,give you the option to enjoy their games completely free of charge so why should anyone who says I have gambling as a hobby play with real money,I see no point in doing this,so the end is that gambling cannot be a hobby.
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April 28, 2024, 09:59:23 AM
Or it can be considered as a hobby when gambler does not feel disappointed when he loses. As long as it brings fun, gambler enjoys it, it makes him feel calm, it is a hobby. As soon as he starts bothering about money spent, but keeps doing it daily or regularly it is a job. But when gambler things only about playing and spends all money on it, it is an addiction.
True, if we consider a specific example: I am convinced that playing poker on weekends for small amounts carries more positives than negatives. Small bets spur interest and create the opportunity to get small winnings from gambling. It's like a little incentive that makes the game fun and exciting. I believe that in this format, gambling can become a pleasant entertainment without serious consequences. The main thing is to remember the measure and control your actions so as not to go into a deep bundle of excitement.
I am writing this based on my own experience and feelings.
I do agree with an example like that, and imagine you are doing that with friends, suddenly that is 10x even better. Imagine just getting 5-9 friends together every single weekend and gambling poker with all of them. It should be something that would make a big difference and it would make someone have both great social life because they are with so many friends, but also it would give them a morale boost as well.

These type of examples are very important, we should be considering something that could be very good if you know how to stop and when to stop, and yet if we can't stop and we become addicted then all kinds of games will be terrible for you. There are so many people who have done something wrong and we shouldn't really be considering it getting any better, just stop when you should.
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April 28, 2024, 09:02:22 AM
But when people go to the movies, they lose money
They travel, they lose money
They buy books to read, they lose money
And when they gamble, they lose money too

It is not about the money lost, but the satisfaction they get from the money they are going to lose. A hobby is anything you enjoy doing always, it doesn't matter how much money you lose when doing it, even if it's gambling.  It is only left for you to limit the level at with you engage in the activity you love (your hobby) so it doesn't prevent you from being productive in other aspects of your life. Gambling can be a hobby to many people.
Correct, I don't know why a lot people are taking serious with loss in gambling, when they're actually giving away their money for other thing and didn't see that as loss!

Example, if you own a cat, you need to buy the foods and litter box, you might buy supplement or go to the vet when your cat sick, are those thing free? Huh

If someone say gambling is stupid games that only make you loss, I could say own a cat is stupid too since sooner or later your cat will die.
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April 28, 2024, 08:46:56 AM
It's because an addict will not focus on himself but in gambling alone. An addicted gambler is blinded by his gambling activities that he was not able to see what's really happening to himself. This can only be visible by the people that surround that certain addicted gambler.

Limiting oneself is really what we need. though, it is not easy to obtain due to the urge to continue gambling for some reason, such as taking back losses, being confident because of recent win, etc.. But yes, taking a break is needed, I also do practice this especially if I have a recent loss or if I know I have won enough.
Addicted gamblers are the worst set of gamblers in the system, they've no regards for opinions but doing what they think is best for them, zero listening to advices. We need to focus on the activities that makes us happy, it doesn't matter if it's gambling or not, but as long as we enjoy doing it, we should embrace it and also set limits to the amount of losses expected. It's important to set boundaries because that will be the only promising element in the space. We should be able to hold our ground and become one of the very best in the system.


The best thing anyone who enjoys gambling can do for themselves is settling limits for it or they might end up being indebted to lots of people all for the sake of gambling. This also applies to other people who have other hobbies like travelling, reading, touring, going to the movies and many more. If there are no boundaries set, your hobbies might in turn make you miserable.

Personally I don't see how anyone would take a habit if losing money as a hobby and that woudl either be an excuse to keep up to with the habit or beign delusional, yeah I agree that gambling might be fun and can add thrill to a normal game but it can't be a hobby in my opinion and with the introduction of esportsbet app that has taken the losing to a whole new level and winning its now all about the money rather than fun cause I've never enjoyed any online casino game and its hardly entertaining to me.

But when people go to the movies, they lose money
They travel, they lose money
They buy books to read, they lose money
And when they gamble, they lose money too

It is not about the money lost, but the satisfaction they get from the money they are going to lose. A hobby is anything you enjoy doing always, it doesn't matter how much money you lose when doing it, even if it's gambling.  It is only left for you to limit the level at with you engage in the activity you love (your hobby) so it doesn't prevent you from being productive in other aspects of your life. Gambling can be a hobby to many people.
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April 28, 2024, 07:17:07 AM
Personally I don't see how anyone would take a habit if losing money as a hobby and that woudl either be an excuse to keep up to with the habit or beign delusional, yeah I agree that gambling might be fun and can add thrill to a normal game but it can't be a hobby in my opinion and with the introduction of esportsbet app that has taken the losing to a whole new level and winning its now all about the money rather than fun cause I've never enjoyed any online casino game and its hardly entertaining to me.
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April 28, 2024, 06:19:39 AM
It's because an addict will not focus on himself but in gambling alone. An addicted gambler is blinded by his gambling activities that he was not able to see what's really happening to himself. This can only be visible by the people that surround that certain addicted gambler.

Limiting oneself is really what we need. though, it is not easy to obtain due to the urge to continue gambling for some reason, such as taking back losses, being confident because of recent win, etc.. But yes, taking a break is needed, I also do practice this especially if I have a recent loss or if I know I have won enough.
Addicted gamblers are the worst set of gamblers in the system, they've no regards for opinions but doing what they think is best for them, zero listening to advices. We need to focus on the activities that makes us happy, it doesn't matter if it's gambling or not, but as long as we enjoy doing it, we should embrace it and also set limits to the amount of losses expected. It's important to set boundaries because that will be the only promising element in the space. We should be able to hold our ground and become one of the very best in the system.
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April 27, 2024, 11:11:37 PM
It's because an addict will not focus on himself but in gambling alone. An addicted gambler is blinded by his gambling activities that he was not able to see what's really happening to himself. This can only be visible by the people that surround that certain addicted gambler.

Limiting oneself is really what we need. though, it is not easy to obtain due to the urge to continue gambling for some reason, such as taking back losses, being confident because of recent win, etc.. But yes, taking a break is needed, I also do practice this especially if I have a recent loss or if I know I have won enough.
Such possibilities, they will not pay attention to others even with themselves even though it can happen because their focus is diverted only on gambling. It's true what you said with someone who is addicted to gambling is that they are already blinded by gambling so that they can ignore other things even for their own health. The thought that is distracted because of gambling can make them addicted and with that they will not care about the things around them that can happen when they are already addicted to gambling.
Maybe the key is to limit yourself from gambling, because with the limits set I think we will not do gambling excessively or maybe we can avoid gambling addiction. Maybe gambling can be done on the basis of a hobby, only I might be very vulnerable to problems, even with the limits set by ourselves.
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April 27, 2024, 11:05:01 PM

An addict wouldn't come directly to say he's addicted. Within him he would think he's not addicted. They enjoy every single part of gambling and crave more of it. When participating in gambling as a hobby staying careful is the right thing doing. As you mentioned, gambling as a hobby has a thin line between addiction. When care is not taken the gambler would have a hard time escaping addiction.

Gambling as a hobby seem to be a daily gambling activity and the player needs to maintain a level of concentration while gambling, daily. What Is most relevant is getting the limits in place. Nothing else. Players who get carried away will find themselves struggle with addiction. While gambling can be a hobby it's a risk for a greedy gambling. Fun players can deal with it, and level it with few months of break. Taking a break is quite effective in recuperating the brain, during those times of rest.
I think not all addicts do enjoy their Gambling session because some of them are even tired of it maybe due to the frequent losses they do get from their gambling habits but something doesn't just sits well with them because no how hard they will try its still circles back and that's why it's said that some gambling cases needs extra hands to tackle because stopping and enjoying an addiction is two different things.

Well I guess I should say here that I'm honestly one of those gamblers who has been addicted but now recovered and I will say that addiction is not a pleasant situation for me (personally), not because I'm bored with everything but because of the pressure of the results at the end of the session which mostly do not match what I expected which makes me always end the session with a lot of resentment which sometimes I quite often spend all the contents of my wallet just by running a session. And I would honestly say that when you get into the addiction phase, all you can think about is “keep gambling” and want to spend more time gambling which sometimes I don't care about what happens at the end of the session win or lose and maybe this is called “addiction”.
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April 27, 2024, 07:40:05 PM

An addict wouldn't come directly to say he's addicted. Within him he would think he's not addicted. They enjoy every single part of gambling and crave more of it. When participating in gambling as a hobby staying careful is the right thing doing. As you mentioned, gambling as a hobby has a thin line between addiction. When care is not taken the gambler would have a hard time escaping addiction.

Gambling as a hobby seem to be a daily gambling activity and the player needs to maintain a level of concentration while gambling, daily. What Is most relevant is getting the limits in place. Nothing else. Players who get carried away will find themselves struggle with addiction. While gambling can be a hobby it's a risk for a greedy gambling. Fun players can deal with it, and level it with few months of break. Taking a break is quite effective in recuperating the brain, during those times of rest.
I think not all addicts do enjoy their Gambling session because some of them are even tired of it maybe due to the frequent losses they do get from their gambling habits but something doesn't just sits well with them because no how hard they will try its still circles back and that's why it's said that some gambling cases needs extra hands to tackle because stopping and enjoying an addiction is two different things.

Well I guess I should say here that I'm honestly one of those gamblers who has been addicted but now recovered and I will say that addiction is not a pleasant situation for me (personally), not because I'm bored with everything but because of the pressure of the results at the end of the session which mostly do not match what I expected which makes me always end the session with a lot of resentment which sometimes I quite often spend all the contents of my wallet just by running a session. And I would honestly say that when you get into the addiction phase, all you can think about is “keep gambling” and want to spend more time gambling which sometimes I don't care about what happens at the end of the session win or lose and maybe this is called “addiction”.
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April 27, 2024, 06:31:19 PM
Gambling can definitely be a hobby because there are many people who likes gambling and enjoy it when playing for fun.
But there is a slim line between calling it a hobby and getting addicted to it and there are gambling addicts who call it a hobby but are addicted to gambling itsead.
So we must understand that difference but for the topic of this post, yes, gambling can be a hobby.

An addict wouldn't come directly to say he's addicted. Within him he would think he's not addicted. They enjoy every single part of gambling and crave more of it. When participating in gambling as a hobby staying careful is the right thing doing. As you mentioned, gambling as a hobby has a thin line between addiction. When care is not taken the gambler would have a hard time escaping addiction.

Gambling as a hobby seem to be a daily gambling activity and the player needs to maintain a level of concentration while gambling, daily. What Is most relevant is getting the limits in place. Nothing else. Players who get carried away will find themselves struggle with addiction. While gambling can be a hobby it's a risk for a greedy gambling. Fun players can deal with it, and level it with few months of break. Taking a break is quite effective in recuperating the brain, during those times of rest.
I think not all addicts do enjoy their Gambling session because some of them are even tired of it maybe due to the frequent losses they do get from their gambling habits but something doesn't just sits well with them because no how hard they will try its still circles back and that's why it's said that some gambling cases needs extra hands to tackle because stopping and enjoying an addiction is two different things.
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April 27, 2024, 06:28:47 PM
full-time job? That's crazy! I'm just wondering, how often they get them winnings - that they decided to dedicate thier whole life innit? It's pretty much like a small scale business anyways; they gotta wager their home appliances along side when they run short of funds..hahahaha!!!
No. You are getting it wrong. It is not like they dedicate their whole existence to it. For those in this category, it is just like a 9 - 5. And mind you, they do not all wager. The ones I know of aren't addicted. It is only the addicts that wager personal effects. Those who take gambling as a career, have goals and plans just like you would on your regular jobs. Some of the them have YouTube channels where they discuss their gambling, strategies or whatever subject matter on gambling that interests their audience. Some of them have written books and put it on sale on Amazon, eBay and the other online book shops, some of the also have gambling podcasts too. It is not all gambling or betting it is both and other gambling activities that pays the bills.

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