Is Islam a religion of Peace? - page 9.

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Quote from: upsidedown75 on February 17, 2016, 01:30:47 AM

Quote from: wine132 on February 16, 2016, 08:47:36 PM

if we can understand what is islam mean we will see islam is a religion of peace.

Yes, Islam is basically a religion of peace but some extremists whose needs are not meant either politically or religiously resort to extreme measures, this is the minority of people I am talking about not all the people of Islam followers.

Sorry, but which part of "Submit or die" you don't understand. Islam means "submit to Allah". Jihad is the missionary: "or die" part.

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Quote from: gregyoung14 on February 12, 2016, 06:48:25 AM

I think it is.. I'm sure it is. Every religion ought to be. Every God ideation ought to be peaceful. Perhaps it's how other Muslims live it out or the way other people sees Islam that makes the picture of peace in Islam obscured.

i dont think so.. every religion is a composed of brutal ideas over killing one another...

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Quote from: CreativeCarol on February 18, 2016, 04:18:17 PM

It usually if you truly believe it. Some people don't find Christianity to harvest that kind of quality. Same goes for being agnostic or atheist. It all depends on how the beholder sees it.

Nope.

Does not matter how the beholder sees this matter.

Mohammed did not split the moon apart.

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It usually if you truly believe it. Some people don't find Christianity to harvest that kind of quality. Same goes for being agnostic or atheist. It all depends on how the beholder sees it.

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Quote from: Tyrantt on February 16, 2016, 08:49:54 PM

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Quote from: Tyrantt on February 16, 2016, 02:34:27 PM

I find the most retarded reason to kill someone is for religion. I believe those people are specially retarded today.

And ironically most of the deaths have been caused by religion since the beginning of time.

Yes but today science has evolved as much, natural things like thunderstorm, solar and lunar eclipse and all of those things could be explained by science, so today to kill someone for religion is stupid. You can't compare humanity of today with the humanity of a couple hundred plus years ago...

not killing for the sake of religion is stupid.. all the things related to religion is stupid.. science can explain past so-called miracles..

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Quote from: Spendulus on February 17, 2016, 01:27:25 PM

What's actually happened is that we've exterminated all the truly violent and horrible religions, such as those that engaged in human sacrifice. But then it can't be said that "religion is peace." Because we are exterminators.

Well it's not because the religions no longer do human sacrifices that it's not written somewhere in their sacred texts ^^

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Quote from: youdamushi on February 17, 2016, 01:22:34 PM

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Quote from: redsun114 on February 17, 2016, 12:52:39 PM

If you look at every religion there is social unrest somewhere along the lines but overall there is peace in all religions, Islam is just one which happens to be in the limelight right now.

One more time.

No, there is not "peace in all religions."

If so then a religion that required human sacrifice or cannibalism would be a religion of peace.

It's more like no religion is a religion of peace....

Cause cannibalism is also in the Bible and the Torah as it's in the old testament. Not sure for the human sacrifice though ^^

What's actually happened is that we've exterminated all the truly violent and horrible religions, such as those that engaged in human sacrifice. But then it can't be said that "religion is peace." Because we are exterminators.

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Quote from: Spendulus on February 17, 2016, 12:58:38 PM

Quote from: redsun114 on February 17, 2016, 12:52:39 PM

If you look at every religion there is social unrest somewhere along the lines but overall there is peace in all religions, Islam is just one which happens to be in the limelight right now.

One more time.

No, there is not "peace in all religions."

If so then a religion that required human sacrifice or cannibalism would be a religion of peace.

It's more like no religion is a religion of peace....

Cause cannibalism is also in the Bible and the Torah as it's in the old testament. Not sure for the human sacrifice though ^^

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Quote from: Spendulus on February 17, 2016, 08:58:58 AM

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Quote from: upsidedown75 on February 17, 2016, 01:30:47 AM

Quote from: wine132 on February 16, 2016, 08:47:36 PM

if we can understand what is islam mean we will see islam is a religion of peace.

Yes, Islam is basically a religion of peace but some extremists whose needs are not meant either politically or religiously resort to extreme measures, this is the minority of people I am talking about not all the people of Islam followers.

This minority of people should not overwhelm your judgement of the muslim community as a whole, it is pure ignorance to judge the whole community by someone else's actions. But unfortunately this type of mis-judgement is only happening everyday all over the world.

That would depend on whether that militant minority was supported by a fair fraction of the total community. This is like saying "Should we judge a 70 year old Muslim lady because a 34 year old Muslim from her town blows up a cafe full of innocent tourists?"

Yes, if she supports his efforts.

Yes, judge the entire town, if they support his efforts.

So, if a country were, for example, using drones to murder people by the tens of thousands... 90% of which are not the intended target, but innocent civilians...

Do you not think Muslims have a good reason to be mad at the US?

Should Muslims be allowed to kill anyone who supports drone strikes?

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Quote from: redsun114 on February 17, 2016, 12:52:39 PM

If you look at every religion there is social unrest somewhere along the lines but overall there is peace in all religions, Islam is just one which happens to be in the limelight right now.

One more time.

No, there is not "peace in all religions."

If so then a religion that required human sacrifice or cannibalism would be a religion of peace.

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If you look at every religion there is social unrest somewhere along the lines but overall there is peace in all religions, Islam is just one which happens to be in the limelight right now.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 17, 2016, 05:06:11 AM

Quote from: Tyrantt on February 16, 2016, 08:49:54 PM

Yes but today science has evolved as much, natural things like thunderstorm, solar and lunar eclipse and all of those things could be explained by science, so today to kill someone for religion is stupid. You can't compare humanity of today with the humanity of a couple hundred plus years ago...

Religion has nothing to do with science though... Religion now is exactly the same as it was 1000 years ago.

Wow now that's something BADecker is not going to like ^^

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Quote from: neonshium on February 17, 2016, 06:55:58 AM

Quote from: upsidedown75 on February 17, 2016, 01:30:47 AM

Quote from: wine132 on February 16, 2016, 08:47:36 PM

if we can understand what is islam mean we will see islam is a religion of peace.

Yes, Islam is basically a religion of peace but some extremists whose needs are not meant either politically or religiously resort to extreme measures, this is the minority of people I am talking about not all the people of Islam followers.

This minority of people should not overwhelm your judgement of the muslim community as a whole, it is pure ignorance to judge the whole community by someone else's actions. But unfortunately this type of mis-judgement is only happening everyday all over the world.

That would depend on whether that militant minority was supported by a fair fraction of the total community. This is like saying "Should we judge a 70 year old Muslim lady because a 34 year old Muslim from her town blows up a cafe full of innocent tourists?"

Yes, if she supports his efforts.

Yes, judge the entire town, if they support his efforts.

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Quote from: upsidedown75 on February 17, 2016, 01:30:47 AM

Quote from: wine132 on February 16, 2016, 08:47:36 PM

if we can understand what is islam mean we will see islam is a religion of peace.

Yes, Islam is basically a religion of peace but some extremists whose needs are not meant either politically or religiously resort to extreme measures, this is the minority of people I am talking about not all the people of Islam followers.

This minority of people should not overwhelm your judgement of the muslim community as a whole, it is pure ignorance to judge the whole community by someone else's actions. But unfortunately this type of mis-judgement is only happening everyday all over the world.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 17, 2016, 05:06:11 AM

Quote from: Tyrantt on February 16, 2016, 08:49:54 PM

Yes but today science has evolved as much, natural things like thunderstorm, solar and lunar eclipse and all of those things could be explained by science, so today to kill someone for religion is stupid. You can't compare humanity of today with the humanity of a couple hundred plus years ago...

Religion has nothing to do with science though... Religion now is exactly the same as it was 1000 years ago.

Watch it now with those comments mister! BADecker might just come and slap you silly.

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Quote from: Tyrantt on February 16, 2016, 08:49:54 PM

Yes but today science has evolved as much, natural things like thunderstorm, solar and lunar eclipse and all of those things could be explained by science, so today to kill someone for religion is stupid. You can't compare humanity of today with the humanity of a couple hundred plus years ago...

Religion has nothing to do with science though... Religion now is exactly the same as it was 1000 years ago.

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Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 01:34:07 AM

Quote from: upsidedown75 on February 17, 2016, 01:30:47 AM

Quote from: wine132 on February 16, 2016, 08:47:36 PM

if we can understand what is islam mean we will see islam is a religion of peace.

Yes, Islam is basically a religion of peace but some extremists whose needs are not meant either politically or religiously resort to extreme measures, this is the minority of people I am talking about not all the people of Islam followers.

Sorry, but which part of "Submit or die" you don't understand. Islam means "submit to Allah". Jihad is the missionary: "or die" part.

To be fair, Christians have the same sort of murderous commands from God in the bible too...

Christians also claim to be a religion of peace... Just ignore that 300+ years of dark ages, crusades, inquisition, witch hunts, et al

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Quote from: youdamushi on February 16, 2016, 01:37:40 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on February 16, 2016, 11:39:59 AM

One should wonder why it is called "religion of peace"... and why no other religion is called that way.
It's simply wishful thinking, hoping someone will believe it.

My cat is very peaceful, and yet, I don't call him "cat of peace". Because it's not needed to make people believe it.
Dogs on the other hand often bite people, and yet dog owners feel the need to keep telling people it won't harm them.

Good question, I don't have any Idea of where it comes from! Who called it this way in the first place? ^^

Orwell maybe. You know: War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength etc.

it does have an Orwelian twist: Islam is peace, you have to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get to the peace part, or
maybe it means: It will be peace once everyone submits to it. I think maybe that is the true meaning of this phrase.

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Quote from: wine132 on February 16, 2016, 08:47:36 PM

if we can understand what is islam mean we will see islam is a religion of peace.

Yes, Islam is basically a religion of peace but some extremists whose needs are not meant either politically or religiously resort to extreme measures, this is the minority of people I am talking about not all the people of Islam followers.

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Quote from: Tyrantt on February 16, 2016, 08:52:22 PM

Quote from: wine132 on February 16, 2016, 08:47:36 PM

if we can understand what is islam mean we will see islam is a religion of peace.

So why can't we understand as someone else who sees it as a peaceful religion does? but I think we all see how it is.

Would it be because the acts and attempted acts of Islamic terrorism move from happening in other countries, then to 150 miles away, then 1200 miles away, then 450 miles away, then 300?

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