Topic: Is PrimeDice really (provably)fair? - page 10. (Read 32424 times)

That doesn't proves their site is fair.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3011813
http://v20.nl/primedice/

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3013086

What are you missing?  You need the client seed, server seed, and daily secret.

If you have all three of those, you should be able to independently generate the same roll that the site gave you.

What more do you want?

I got info of my bet from stunna but he failed to prove that his site is "provably fair".

Oh, I did

>implying either of our time is worth something.

Satoshidice and Coinroll can only be verified at least 24 hours after the game. So do a lot of other non dice sites.

I'm not the owner, but I've already given you the proof. You simply refuse to see it.

You should read what my rating says and I have proof of sending money. I need proof from him that his site is fair to remove that negative feedback.

Now stop crying and don't waste my time and yours. I have given it to stunna because he's owner and he the one that needs to clear all doubts and accusations.

I am not going to give reply to anyone else except stunna now.

You are right, the trust system is there for a reason, so you shouldn't be offended if everyone were to neg rep you now stating, "Makes false claims about scamming without proof"

I said I don't know server seed because i played that game 2 days ago and it's not on "My Bets" now.


Yes it's their fucking fault because i didn't generated that client/server seed, I'm not a pro gambler that changes seeds etc on every bet.



Verify when? 24 hours after playing game?

You're not supposed to know the secret until later. The server seed changes and it is publicly displayed in front of you before you bet. You can also change the client seed, and it allows a large enough number of values that don't compute to any range of numbers you think the site can focus on. And even if it did, you simply bet high instead of low or the other way around.

The secret has been committed since the start of the day.

The server seed has been committed since your last roll. You can see it.

Client seed is something you can change. High or Low roll is something you can pick.

Providing your own randomly generated string guarantees that PD can not be able to precompute an image that results to a loss.

Add those all up and tell me it is not fair? The site does not even care how much your bet is. The roll is determined on the seeds alone.


And it's their fault you don't know what client seed you used?

Provably Fair Gaming means you can verify each bet to ensure you always get a fair deal. Modern cryptographic algorithms such as the SHA512 hash algorithm computes the fair random number.

What you think and believe in, may not coincide with the mathematical certainty right in front of your eyes, but if a 1 in 2^512 odds of the calculation being computed wrong or having an intentional collision isn't good enough for you, I don't know what is.

I've played enough of all the dice sites combined to personally see 7 losses in a row on 90%.

Do you know Trust system is there for a reason and I am free to use it and if stunna was a good guy he should have posted proofs already in this thread that his site is fair. (Look at the original date of this thread).


Ps: I'm not the only guy who thinks his site is not fair.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/any-sympathy-for-an-ex-gambler-who-lost-215-btc-280711

This is a forum. I'll speak where I would like to.
Can I prove his site is 100% provably fair? No, nor do I really care. When I play a game in any casino i am prepared for losses. I get the idea behind it however, and support the provably fair world. There are many people however that have won a good amount of btc on primedice. I've won myself. So if anyone is suggesting there is foul play involved then they must actually choose which people they wish to fuck over.

Another point- It's a constant work in progress. If people were skeptical about primedice's methods or provably fairness, then why not get in direct contact with Stunna? He's a nice guy and I'm sure would work with anyone. To leave neg trust because you have a (imo bad) hunch that there is foul-play is a bit childish and disrespectful.

Anyways, I don't really come here to argue, so good day

Can you prove that his site is provably fair? and i didn't got lost money due to his server seed thingy. If you can, please do now, otherwise please mind your own business.
Oh and his site isn't the first site where I did betting or lost/won money.

Then you should also read that I have written, he needs to prove that his site is 100% provably fair and I will remove my negative feedback.


Ps: My last post was https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3014004

I have a positive word for PrimeDice.
I tried several times to use the freeroll the website offer and with my method I reached 0.007 BTC many times, so imo PrimeDice is quite fair, or my strategy is very lucky.
Yes I know, you can expect giant losses on the automated bet but if you do low streaks you ca avoid them.

I give you an example. I usually go for these small strikes of 10 or 15 hits:
1.4x, roll over 10K bets +35% on wins and -25% on loss.
In this case these can happen:
You loose the first it and it ends
You start rolling good and it goes up to 30K
You roll it and you have 2 bad rolls going up with just 14K

So, I think what people need is a strategy to cover the losses.

I don't care about all those negative posts, I love PrimeDice and I can confirm I would play it all day long, and no, my account is not hacked for saying this.

I did read the entire thread, and if you are wondering what I mean by respect you need only to refer to your last post. Thanks

I think you should read whole thread, every single comment and then post your reply.
and what the fuck you mean by being not "respectful".

I agree with HollowIP words that of course all user want fair system but you can't accused the site until you have strong solid proof that they are unfair

If the game have 90% win and 10% lose but you still lose 5 streak or more, that are not impossible to happen. There are still 10% chance to lose , not 0% chance to lose .

Oh come on, that is just childish.

90% chance win, 10% chance loss.

1/10th chance to lose. You got unlucky.

Sometimes I play a lotto with a 1/10 chance to win and magically win. Sometimes I play a lotto with 1/10 chance to lose, and magically lose. All these lottos are without house edge too btw.
I assume you wouldn't complain if you had won a 10% roll, because well then you'd be a winner and not a loser.

Should we test primedice on provably fair? Yes, of course, just like every other site- but that doesn't mean we should not be respectful.

The only reason to change the seed every spin is to allow for instant check of the result without waiting 0-24h until the secret gets released. Or is PD still using clientseed - 24h server secret - one time roll secret?

I've wagered that 0.48 something btc 2 days ago, and i have played many free games after that
so i don't remember client/server seed nor Bet ID. Stunna needs to provide it along with my all bets history and prove that his site is 100% fair. (username: ems  user id 470)

Also I know there's chance of loosing money and i moved on after losing that money but i then saw this thread and I thought to post about it here.

Also this only happened when I wagered above 1$. When i was playing free bets it was normal like it should be.