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Science is not a religion. In classical belief systems, you accept without question. But science is based on experimentation and observation. Scientists are questioning. Scientific theories develop over time. But belief systems are not changed.

Science != Religion

I agree with you on part of science. Science is facts and hard evidance, so in sciend there is eithar truth or false answer. But religion is not blind belief, for some people that is. There are those who choose to be blind. But there is also questioning in religion, there is diferent understanding of same sentence. Religion is not something that you need to believe blindly, well that is what I think.

A person who begins to question the religion becomes an atheist over time. Because religious arguments and scientific arguments are in conflict with each other.
If one starts to question the religion, it will reject the religion . Because religions want their ideas to be accepted without questioning.

Science always encourages interrogation.

You are partially right, but in a way different than you think.

Some people don't believe in God, but they are very religious, even with a non-God formal religion. Examining science doesn't make them into atheists if they already are atheists.

Religious arguments and science arguments are not always in conflict. In the case where science fact proves God to exist, the basics of the existence of God are not in conflict between science and religion. See here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Science theory that suggests that God doesn't exist in the face of science fact (^^^) which shows that He does, will always remain theory. People who believe theory to be fact, when it is not known to be fact, have a religion going for themselves. So, yes. In this case science fact rules over science religion.

It definitely is time for believers in science theory to "interrogate" their science religion to see that it fails. Most other religions simply have points of belief that science has not determined to be false.

For example. The scientific age of the earth has not been proven. So when there is a conflict with a non-scientific, religious age of the earth, it's anybody's guess. When the non-proven scientific age of the earth is believed to be factual, there is science religion going there.

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Quote from: coin revolution on January 27, 2017, 11:49:45 AM

Science is not a religion. In classical belief systems, you accept without question. But science is based on experimentation and observation. Scientists are questioning. Scientific theories develop over time. But belief systems are not changed.

Science != Religion

I agree with you on part of science. Science is facts and hard evidance, so in sciend there is eithar truth or false answer. But religion is not blind belief, for some people that is. There are those who choose to be blind. But there is also questioning in religion, there is diferent understanding of same sentence. Religion is not something that you need to believe blindly, well that is what I think.

A person who begins to question the religion becomes an atheist over time. Because religious arguments and scientific arguments are in conflict with each other.
If one starts to question the religion, it will reject the religion . Because religions want their ideas to be accepted without questioning.

Science always encourages interrogation.

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Well, science is not religion and it doesn't just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion's virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.

Though it is true that Religion doesn't have substantial evidence in most cases, there will still be instances that Science itself will not be able to explain a questionable occurance. This would still boil down to the question, is there really something or someone who's higher than any of us?

Science and religion have a huge difference. They differ in a way of searching the truth. Science seek the truth by observation, experementation, empirical solution, and etc. Meanwhile in religion, it's not about the lack of evidence, they focused more on the bible. Religion has also evidence, however science have more evidence since science believes only in what they see.

If a religion uses as proof of the Bible, for me it is not proof. Indeed science proves any phenomenon empirically. It is not always something that you can touch. How many years, the Church denied that the earth is round?

yes church denied that the earth is round because the church only see it as a flat. but when someone try to research about the planets and the movement of the sun and the stars they might have an idea that the earth is circular. religion uses bible as a proof. science uses proofs or evidences also. so i think there is a falacy.

What is a little such examples? It seems to me that there were enough examples where it has been proven that the Bible is lying. You will believe a man who on several occasions lied to you?

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Quote from: Lacander on February 05, 2017, 05:33:36 AM

Quote from: jovs on February 05, 2017, 05:27:52 AM

Quote from: Flamma on February 04, 2017, 08:28:28 PM

Quote from: kerrisyrus235 on March 30, 2016, 06:12:37 PM

Well, science is not religion and it doesn't just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion's virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.

Though it is true that Religion doesn't have substantial evidence in most cases, there will still be instances that Science itself will not be able to explain a questionable occurance. This would still boil down to the question, is there really something or someone who's higher than any of us?

Science and religion have a huge difference. They differ in a way of searching the truth. Science seek the truth by observation, experementation, empirical solution, and etc. Meanwhile in religion, it's not about the lack of evidence, they focused more on the bible. Religion has also evidence, however science have more evidence since science believes only in what they see.

If a religion uses as proof of the Bible, for me it is not proof. Indeed science proves any phenomenon empirically. It is not always something that you can touch. How many years, the Church denied that the earth is round?

yes church denied that the earth is round because the church only see it as a flat. but when someone try to research about the planets and the movement of the sun and the stars they might have an idea that the earth is circular. religion uses bible as a proof. science uses proofs or evidences also. so i think there is a falacy.

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Quote from: jovs on February 05, 2017, 05:27:52 AM

Quote from: Flamma on February 04, 2017, 08:28:28 PM

Quote from: kerrisyrus235 on March 30, 2016, 06:12:37 PM

Well, science is not religion and it doesn't just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion's virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.

Though it is true that Religion doesn't have substantial evidence in most cases, there will still be instances that Science itself will not be able to explain a questionable occurance. This would still boil down to the question, is there really something or someone who's higher than any of us?

Science and religion have a huge difference. They differ in a way of searching the truth. Science seek the truth by observation, experementation, empirical solution, and etc. Meanwhile in religion, it's not about the lack of evidence, they focused more on the bible. Religion has also evidence, however science have more evidence since science believes only in what they see.

If a religion uses as proof of the Bible, for me it is not proof. Indeed science proves any phenomenon empirically. It is not always something that you can touch. How many years, the Church denied that the earth is round?

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Quote from: Flamma on February 04, 2017, 08:28:28 PM

Quote from: kerrisyrus235 on March 30, 2016, 06:12:37 PM

Well, science is not religion and it doesn't just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion's virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.

Though it is true that Religion doesn't have substantial evidence in most cases, there will still be instances that Science itself will not be able to explain a questionable occurance. This would still boil down to the question, is there really something or someone who's higher than any of us?

Science and religion have a huge difference. They differ in a way of searching the truth. Science seek the truth by observation, experementation, empirical solution, and etc. Meanwhile in religion, it's not about the lack of evidence, they focused more on the bible. Religion has also evidence, however science have more evidence since science believes only in what they see.

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Quote from: kerrisyrus235 on March 30, 2016, 06:12:37 PM

Well, science is not religion and it doesn't just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion's virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.

Though it is true that Religion doesn't have substantial evidence in most cases, there will still be instances that Science itself will not be able to explain a questionable occurance. This would still boil down to the question, is there really something or someone who's higher than any of us?

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Quote from: Karloff on February 04, 2017, 02:20:34 PM

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Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 12:49:37 PM

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Science constantly develops by denying itself. Scientific theories are based on experimentation and observation. Scientifically, all processes can be explained from BigBang.

We do not know what happened before BigBang. There are different theories for this. For example False vacuum
The theory of infinite universes, Quantum waves are currently only the theory. We can not test them experimentally.

But nobody argues that the earth came from the big Bang. It's called the big Bang THEORY. And the Church says that the earth was created by God. It is not correct. Religion is afraid of science. And afraid of educated people.

BigBang theory is an experimental theory. So BigBang can be proved at the cosmos we live in.
But we can not explain the Quantum Fluctuations at this time. It can be explained by some physical and mathematical theories on paper.

It's normal for religions to be afraid of science. Because the writers of the holy books and the scientific theories contradict each other.

Why are you afraid of educated people?

The Church is afraid of educated people because it is in their face is losing its supporters. The more educated people the less faithful. I am a supporter of science. In our time religion breeds fanatics and provokes a war.

In the 21st century, the influence of religions on the earth began to decline considerably. With the Internet and technology, people can access information faster.
To me, after entering the 22st century, religions will have completely disappeared.

I would not have argued. It would be nice to keep it that way. Unfortunately the governments of almost all States of the world support narcotic people by religious leaders. Of religion and state at the same time.

Because it is easier to keep people under control by using religion. As a political argument, you can put the people to sleep with religious rhetoric. You can motivate people to fight.

Throughout history, ruling people have used religion. But people will not be able to use religion as the level of knowledge increases.

From the moment they choose to believe in knowledge instead of religion, no one will fool them.

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Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 01:44:18 PM

Quote from: Mersedes on February 04, 2017, 12:59:09 PM

Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 12:49:37 PM

Quote from: ekaterina77 on February 04, 2017, 12:39:53 PM

Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 12:35:03 PM

Science constantly develops by denying itself. Scientific theories are based on experimentation and observation. Scientifically, all processes can be explained from BigBang.

We do not know what happened before BigBang. There are different theories for this. For example False vacuum
The theory of infinite universes, Quantum waves are currently only the theory. We can not test them experimentally.

But nobody argues that the earth came from the big Bang. It's called the big Bang THEORY. And the Church says that the earth was created by God. It is not correct. Religion is afraid of science. And afraid of educated people.

BigBang theory is an experimental theory. So BigBang can be proved at the cosmos we live in.
But we can not explain the Quantum Fluctuations at this time. It can be explained by some physical and mathematical theories on paper.

It's normal for religions to be afraid of science. Because the writers of the holy books and the scientific theories contradict each other.

Why are you afraid of educated people?

The Church is afraid of educated people because it is in their face is losing its supporters. The more educated people the less faithful. I am a supporter of science. In our time religion breeds fanatics and provokes a war.

In the 21st century, the influence of religions on the earth began to decline considerably. With the Internet and technology, people can access information faster.
To me, after entering the 22st century, religions will have completely disappeared.

I would not have argued. It would be nice to keep it that way. Unfortunately the governments of almost all States of the world support narcotic people by religious leaders. Of religion and state at the same time.

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Quote from: Mersedes on February 04, 2017, 12:59:09 PM

Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 12:49:37 PM

Quote from: ekaterina77 on February 04, 2017, 12:39:53 PM

Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 12:35:03 PM

Science constantly develops by denying itself. Scientific theories are based on experimentation and observation. Scientifically, all processes can be explained from BigBang.

We do not know what happened before BigBang. There are different theories for this. For example False vacuum
The theory of infinite universes, Quantum waves are currently only the theory. We can not test them experimentally.

But nobody argues that the earth came from the big Bang. It's called the big Bang THEORY. And the Church says that the earth was created by God. It is not correct. Religion is afraid of science. And afraid of educated people.

BigBang theory is an experimental theory. So BigBang can be proved at the cosmos we live in.
But we can not explain the Quantum Fluctuations at this time. It can be explained by some physical and mathematical theories on paper.

It's normal for religions to be afraid of science. Because the writers of the holy books and the scientific theories contradict each other.

Why are you afraid of educated people?

The Church is afraid of educated people because it is in their face is losing its supporters. The more educated people the less faithful. I am a supporter of science. In our time religion breeds fanatics and provokes a war.

In the 21st century, the influence of religions on the earth began to decline considerably. With the Internet and technology, people can access information faster.
To me, after entering the 22st century, religions will have completely disappeared.

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Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 12:49:37 PM

Quote from: ekaterina77 on February 04, 2017, 12:39:53 PM

Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 12:35:03 PM

Science constantly develops by denying itself. Scientific theories are based on experimentation and observation. Scientifically, all processes can be explained from BigBang.

We do not know what happened before BigBang. There are different theories for this. For example False vacuum
The theory of infinite universes, Quantum waves are currently only the theory. We can not test them experimentally.

But nobody argues that the earth came from the big Bang. It's called the big Bang THEORY. And the Church says that the earth was created by God. It is not correct. Religion is afraid of science. And afraid of educated people.

BigBang theory is an experimental theory. So BigBang can be proved at the cosmos we live in.
But we can not explain the Quantum Fluctuations at this time. It can be explained by some physical and mathematical theories on paper.

It's normal for religions to be afraid of science. Because the writers of the holy books and the scientific theories contradict each other.

Why are you afraid of educated people?

The Church is afraid of educated people because it is in their face is losing its supporters. The more educated people the less faithful. I am a supporter of science. In our time religion breeds fanatics and provokes a war.

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Quote from: ekaterina77 on February 04, 2017, 12:39:53 PM

Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 12:35:03 PM

Science constantly develops by denying itself. Scientific theories are based on experimentation and observation. Scientifically, all processes can be explained from BigBang.

We do not know what happened before BigBang. There are different theories for this. For example False vacuum
The theory of infinite universes, Quantum waves are currently only the theory. We can not test them experimentally.

But nobody argues that the earth came from the big Bang. It's called the big Bang THEORY. And the Church says that the earth was created by God. It is not correct. Religion is afraid of science. And afraid of educated people.

BigBang theory is an experimental theory. So BigBang can be proved at the cosmos we live in.
But we can not explain the Quantum Fluctuations at this time. It can be explained by some physical and mathematical theories on paper.

It's normal for religions to be afraid of science. Because the writers of the holy books and the scientific theories contradict each other.

Why are you afraid of educated people?

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Quote from: st0nefish on February 04, 2017, 12:35:03 PM

Science constantly develops by denying itself. Scientific theories are based on experimentation and observation. Scientifically, all processes can be explained from BigBang.

We do not know what happened before BigBang. There are different theories for this. For example False vacuum
The theory of infinite universes, Quantum waves are currently only the theory. We can not test them experimentally.

But nobody argues that the earth came from the big Bang. It's called the big Bang THEORY. And the Church says that the earth was created by God. It is not correct. Religion is afraid of science. And afraid of educated people.

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Science constantly develops by denying itself. Scientific theories are based on experimentation and observation. Scientifically, all processes can be explained from BigBang.

We do not know what happened before BigBang. There are different theories for this. For example False vacuum
The theory of infinite universes, Quantum waves are currently only the theory. We can not test them experimentally.

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Well, science is not religion and it doesn’t just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion’s virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.

Some scientists work on a specific science project for more than 30 years. And they still haven't found out if their project is accurate the way they hypothesize. Sounds like a lot of faith to me.

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Right, you say. Scientists can 30 years to conduct experiments until they 100% prove it to be true. All this time they do not claim that it is. I would understand believers who say that God probably is, but they claim there is a God without evidence.

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That is a textbook definition of delusion. Religion is a mental illness.

Everyone understands that religion is a mental illness, but I wonder why it's not responding state? Why are churches tax-exempt? I think that in the interests of the state to have more crazies. They are easier to manage!

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2017, 11:22:50 PM

Quote from: C0RE on February 03, 2017, 11:03:03 PM

Well, science is not religion and it doesn’t just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion’s virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.

Some scientists work on a specific science project for more than 30 years. And they still haven't found out if their project is accurate the way they hypothesize. Sounds like a lot of faith to me.

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Right, you say. Scientists can 30 years to conduct experiments until they 100% prove it to be true. All this time they do not claim that it is. I would understand believers who say that God probably is, but they claim there is a God without evidence.

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Quote from: v1ryspro on February 04, 2017, 11:05:05 AM

The afterlife does not exist.

Really? Considering you haven't died yet to know this, how do you know? Your just guessing.

Quote from: v1ryspro on February 04, 2017, 11:05:05 AM

You yourself say that the evidence of its existence is not. To believe this can only fanatics and children.

Afterlife I assume your talking about here.
I never said this, I said nobody knows what happens after our death (if anything). Fanatics and children? What are you talking about? Huh

Quote from: v1ryspro on February 04, 2017, 11:05:05 AM

How can you abandon the goods of this life in the name of non-existent life.

Lost me on this one? Huh

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2017, 11:22:50 PM

Some scientists work on a specific science project for more than 30 years. And they still haven't found out if their project is accurate the way they hypothesize. Sounds like a lot of faith to me.

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Christianity has been around for centuries and Christians still haven't figured out if it's the truth yet, let alone agree with each other. All they can do is just say it's the truth, but not actually put anything solid on the table. Sounds like a lot of faith to me. Blind faith.

In my understanding, blind faith is fanaticism.

I wouldn't say fanaticism. I mean many people believe something will happen after they die (afterlife for example), I wouldn't claim this as fanaticism.
Nobody knows what happens after our death (if anything), because we haven't died yet to find out. It's all blind faith.

The afterlife does not exist. You yourself say that the evidence of its existence is not. To believe this can only fanatics and children. How can you abandon the goods of this life in the name of non-existent life.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2017, 11:22:50 PM

Some scientists work on a specific science project for more than 30 years. And they still haven't found out if their project is accurate the way they hypothesize. Sounds like a lot of faith to me.

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Christianity has been around for centuries and Christians still haven't figured out if it's the truth yet, let alone agree with each other. All they can do is just say it's the truth, but not actually put anything solid on the table. Sounds like a lot of faith to me. Blind faith.

In my understanding, blind faith is fanaticism.

I wouldn't say fanaticism. I mean many people believe something will happen after they die (afterlife for example), I wouldn't claim this as fanaticism.
Nobody knows what happens after our death (if anything), because we haven't died yet to find out. It's all blind faith.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2017, 11:22:50 PM

Some scientists work on a specific science project for more than 30 years. And they still haven't found out if their project is accurate the way they hypothesize. Sounds like a lot of faith to me.

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Christianity has been around for centuries and Christians still haven't figured out if it's the truth yet, let alone agree with each other. All they can do is just say it's the truth, but not actually put anything solid on the table. Sounds like a lot of faith to me. Blind faith.

In my understanding, blind faith is fanaticism. It is human nature to question everything. This means that any statement must be proven to believe in him. All the rest is stupid fanatics.

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