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June 03, 2016, 11:36:27 AM
Science and Religion, both are important in the beginning of life but in entirely different ways and perspective. It all depends on how you see things and how you believe in things. Science is all about experiments, tests, hypothesis. You have to see everything, every angle in order to believe it. But in Religion, you just have to have faith for you to believe in things.

The science you can see and use is not religion. It is the science theory that is believed to be truth when it is not known to be truth that is religion.

God built the things that you can see and use. God also has told us many things in the Bible, things that we cannot see you use. Faith has to do with believing God.

Btw, one of the things that we cannot see for a fact is, what is going to happen in the next second. So, we are constantly living in faith just to live.

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But that doesn't prove any of your god.
And time goes forward because of high entropy. Higher entropy requires lesser energy. Nothing related with god or faith thing.
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June 03, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
Hm .it was to far Science to religion. I think science is based on histories mostly and the evolution of the things and matter ,religion only is inserted when it comes to other topics that human is the based .


Do you believe the universe was created from nothingness? The universe is expending... Cool. Into what? Another nothingness. If that's true, how do you define nothingness?

How thick, how close is the "space" between the edge of the universe (our whole reality) and the nothingness it is expending into?


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June 03, 2016, 11:07:25 AM
Hm .it was to far Science to religion. I think science is based on histories mostly and the evolution of the things and matter ,religion only is inserted when it comes to other topics that human is the based .
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June 03, 2016, 11:05:20 AM
Even Mathematics is a human referential system. We created it, it is human, its "universality" stems from referring every new proof to its axioms


Is everything based on a belief construct?


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June 03, 2016, 11:02:25 AM
Even Mathematics is a human referential system. We created it, it is human, its "universality" stems from referring every new proof to its axioms
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June 03, 2016, 10:44:39 AM
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         








Hmm... Sounds like for our brain (consciousness), science is a religion.


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June 03, 2016, 10:12:07 AM
Science is not.
Scientism is.
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June 02, 2016, 07:41:29 PM
For me, Science is not a religion. Science is all about studies, hypothesis, experiments, etc. before believing while religion is believing without even a solid proof that a God exist. That's why science is not a religion but it is opposite of religion  Grin
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June 02, 2016, 12:29:40 AM
In my own opinion, Science is not a religion. Science is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment while religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Science is about study before believing while religion is having faith without proof. Thats why it's different.
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May 28, 2016, 05:35:11 PM
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         



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Is science based on how one should feel?


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May 28, 2016, 04:20:48 PM
There is no relation between Science and Religion. Thanks

Since science has a whole has lot in it that is not known to be fact...

... yet many people believe much of the unknown to be fact...

... science has become a religion for them.

Why? Because believing this science takes faith, rather than understanding it by knowing that it is fact.

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May 28, 2016, 07:36:22 AM
There is no relation between Science and Religion. Thanks
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May 28, 2016, 05:55:27 AM
no science do not believe in any religion.yes there are similarities between science and religion but science do not believe on GOD and miracles about which religions tell us


Yes science to follow the scientific proofs that must be proved. But talking about of miracles of God, on how God did something and how God created the whole
universe, science is always on the side of by giving theories.
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May 28, 2016, 05:41:12 AM
no science do not believe in any religion.yes there are similarities between science and religion but science do not believe on GOD and miracles about which religions tell us
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May 27, 2016, 04:25:51 PM
Science is just another belief system, and like any belief system it can be abused. Before anyone starts flipping out I am not denying science has value or saying it is not valid. The problem with science is it is a fact that most people do not KNOW anything about it. Science is based on empirical data, IE first hand observation via the senses. This can take many forms and come via many different types of instruments. Most people never personally conducted any of these experiments to verify the validity of any of this data, they are simply accepting second hand information from others who have. As a result most science is simply just a collection of beliefs. You believe the scientist that collected the data did so correctly. You believe they don't have ulterior motives. You believe the peer reviews of said studies are accurate and not doctored. You believe the journals that publish them do not have ulterior motives.  

Since most people don't have the knowledge or resources to replicate these experiments themselves, what most people call science is just a string of beliefs. In sort, unless you have witnessed it with your own senses, you are just practicing another belief system. As a result science can be manipulated and have many of the same flaws of any other belief system, especially considering the fact that there is still a lot that science still does not claim to know. This is important to understand, because without this knowledge one can fall into many of the same traps that plague religious believers by blindly just swallowing what others have told you and accepting it as fact rather than a possible unknown.

Wow.. Nailed it!

Science is just another belief system that happens to have some facts that everybody would agree on, same as any other religion.

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Sorry but that is totaly wrong.
Science doesnt need faith to work. That people are willing to accept x without proof and fact checking doesnt make science a belief system - logical fallacy here.

I know that anybody on planet earth except the mentally challenged can research and understand any scientific fact with just enough time and discipline.


Well, is science theory part of science or not?

Do people believe that science theory is fact or not?

If science theory is fact, then why is it not called science fact?

The point is, science theory is not known to be fact. Yet there are many people who believe some of science theory to be true. Not only do they believe it, but they go around telling other people that it is true and real and factual when they don't know that it is true and real and factual.

Why do they believe this way? They believe based on faith.

A good example of this is that many people in NASA say that Big Bang is real when it is just a theory. The theory doesn't say it is real, and it doesn't say that it is not real. We don't know via science if BB is real or not.

When people act like Big Bang is real, believing it to be so, they have a Big Bang religion going for themselves, because nobody knows if it is real or not.

Science may not have always been like this. There may have been a time before science theory that science was based in complete fact. But now that it is partly based in theory (unknowns), science is religion.

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May 27, 2016, 01:03:10 PM
Science is just another belief system, and like any belief system it can be abused. Before anyone starts flipping out I am not denying science has value or saying it is not valid. The problem with science is it is a fact that most people do not KNOW anything about it. Science is based on empirical data, IE first hand observation via the senses. This can take many forms and come via many different types of instruments. Most people never personally conducted any of these experiments to verify the validity of any of this data, they are simply accepting second hand information from others who have. As a result most science is simply just a collection of beliefs. You believe the scientist that collected the data did so correctly. You believe they don't have ulterior motives. You believe the peer reviews of said studies are accurate and not doctored. You believe the journals that publish them do not have ulterior motives.  

Since most people don't have the knowledge or resources to replicate these experiments themselves, what most people call science is just a string of beliefs. In sort, unless you have witnessed it with your own senses, you are just practicing another belief system. As a result science can be manipulated and have many of the same flaws of any other belief system, especially considering the fact that there is still a lot that science still does not claim to know. This is important to understand, because without this knowledge one can fall into many of the same traps that plague religious believers by blindly just swallowing what others have told you and accepting it as fact rather than a possible unknown.

Wow.. Nailed it!

Science is just another belief system that happens to have some facts that everybody would agree on, same as any other religion.

Cool

Sorry but that is totaly wrong.
Science doesnt need faith to work. That people are willing to accept x without proof and fact checking doesnt make science a belief system - logical fallacy here.

I know that anybody on planet earth except the mentally challenged can research and understand any scientific fact with just enough time and discipline.
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May 27, 2016, 12:50:44 PM
Science and religion were exactly different. Science is of true facts which has got evidence. Science is something innovative which is been developed and in some cases go in search of proof.
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May 26, 2016, 01:26:52 PM
Science and Religion, both are important in the beginning of life but in entirely different ways and perspective. It all depends on how you see things and how you believe in things. Science is all about experiments, tests, hypothesis. You have to see everything, every angle in order to believe it. But in Religion, you just have to have faith for you to believe in things.

The science you can see and use is not religion. It is the science theory that is believed to be truth when it is not known to be truth that is religion.

God built the things that you can see and use. God also has told us many things in the Bible, things that we cannot see you use. Faith has to do with believing God.

Btw, one of the things that we cannot see for a fact is, what is going to happen in the next second. So, we are constantly living in faith just to live.

Cool
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May 26, 2016, 12:18:38 PM
Science and Religion, both are important in the beginning of life but in entirely different ways and perspective. It all depends on how you see things and how you believe in things. Science is all about experiments, tests, hypothesis. You have to see everything, every angle in order to believe it. But in Religion, you just have to have faith for you to believe in things.
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May 06, 2016, 12:33:27 AM
Science is just another belief system that happens to have some facts that everybody would agree on, same as any other religion.

Science is not a belief system... it is an evidence system

Science shows you the evidence, and you are free to believe whatever you like

Science has proven itself to be reliable, time after time... it is capable of predicting future events, which religion is not

Wrong! Science has become a probability belief system. Remember Quantum Theory? > Probability Theory. > Theory theory. Science is all wrapped up in believing it is true because it might be. Religion!

This only shows that you fail to understand science... science is about what you can prove... not what 'might' happen... wow

I have never met someone so willfully ignorant that they will mislead people on purpose

Is ignorance bliss, as they say?

If scientists think something like you seem to, and people believe the scientists, no wonder the world is in as much trouble as it is. Wake up and see that believing science theory as truth is based on probability, which is not known to be truth.

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