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Quote from: BADecker on July 01, 2016, 10:38:18 AM

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But God's Word remains true. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove it. The vast numbers of Bible believers show it.

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Less than a third of the world is Christian, bible believers are the minority. Using your fallacious logic, that means the bible must be false because most of the world believes it's nonsense.

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These vast numbers of Bible believers were very few at the beginning of Christianity. God's mercy will endure forever with regard to all of them. But He won't wait forever for the rest of you. How do we know this? People die, the unbelievers to lock them into destruction, the believers to lock them into salvation.

That's okay if you don't understand this. But it's too bad you are headed in the direction you are.

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The fact remains, even before deducting all the Christians that pretend they are Christian, for example family expectations, social circles, threats of violence from other Christians, the numbers that realise the bible is a load of baloney *far* outnumbers the remaining that the penny hasn't dropped for them yet, if ever.

So applying *YOUR* logic, the bible is false.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 01, 2016, 09:39:33 AM

But God's Word remains true. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove it. The vast numbers of Bible believers show it.

Cool

Less than a third of the world is Christian, bible believers are the minority. Using your fallacious logic, that means the bible must be false because most of the world believes it's nonsense.

You didn't acquire the nickname "BADlogic" easily your know. You've really put the work in. Cheesy

These vast numbers of Bible believers were very few at the beginning of Christianity. God's mercy will endure forever with regard to all of them. But He won't wait forever for the rest of you. How do we know this? People die, the unbelievers to lock them into destruction, the believers to lock them into salvation.

That's okay if you don't understand this. But it's too bad you are headed in the direction you are.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 01, 2016, 09:39:33 AM

But God's Word remains true. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove it. The vast numbers of Bible believers show it.

Cool

Less than a third of the world is Christian, bible believers are the minority. Using your fallacious logic, that means the bible must be false because most of the world believes it's nonsense.

You didn't acquire the nickname "BADlogic" easily your know. You've really put the work in. Cheesy

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At my opinion science is not a religion, cause religion is phenomenon when people believing on different stuff without any proofs. Science can't live without proofs.

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Quote from: Cresciuanto on June 28, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

my personal view is that science is not a religion, but all religions are science at all. if we speak about Islam. Being Muslim I have a little knowledge about Islam. for example in Islam Allah says that discover the world as it is for your benefits. so every thing that science is discovering today are present there in Holly Quran. you can really find the answer of any problem in Holly Quran.

Really? Point me to the chapter that explains cancer and its cures. Celiac disease, no? How about HIV? Hearing loss?

Gravitational waves? Theory of relativity, Maxwell equations? No? How about electricity? Heart pacemaker? Personal computers?
HTML coding styles? Internet protocols: SMTP, HTTP, NNTP, FTP? How about bitcoin? Show us where in Quran, Allah is explaining bitcoin!!!

Maybe DNA sequences of animals that Allah created? Black holes? Supernovas? Black matter?

Please be specific. Just list the chapters that cover the above topics.

Oh come on. We, humans are very anxious. Qurans may have some the scientific terms of that time, that maybe irrelevant at the time, however the inception of research had begun a long time ago, form which quran, tripitaka, bibal, vedas, and many other had written.

May be those books are the research of the people of that time who created stories through it, or stories are made by the misheard of people. In a Hindu's religious book 'Mahabharata' there's a character whose symptoms of disease are similar of that of HIV-AIDS.

Even in that book there's a term of sex change which is portrayed in their own style of curse and whatsoever.

Even the bible has talked about the relativity term but somehow seems irrelevent to us but finds to accurate more or less.

The books that we read nowadays that deals with the term relativity and other scientific terms maybe the book that would seem irrelevent to the next generation because at their time, they would discover more and more and may find even big bang thoery and relativity are useless and are waste of time as we look at the religious books now.

But God's Word remains true. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove it. The vast numbers of Bible believers show it.

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Quote from: Cresciuanto on June 28, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

my personal view is that science is not a religion, but all religions are science at all. if we speak about Islam. Being Muslim I have a little knowledge about Islam. for example in Islam Allah says that discover the world as it is for your benefits. so every thing that science is discovering today are present there in Holly Quran. you can really find the answer of any problem in Holly Quran.

Really? Point me to the chapter that explains cancer and its cures. Celiac disease, no? How about HIV? Hearing loss?

Gravitational waves? Theory of relativity, Maxwell equations? No? How about electricity? Heart pacemaker? Personal computers?
HTML coding styles? Internet protocols: SMTP, HTTP, NNTP, FTP? How about bitcoin? Show us where in Quran, Allah is explaining bitcoin!!!

Maybe DNA sequences of animals that Allah created? Black holes? Supernovas? Black matter?

Please be specific. Just list the chapters that cover the above topics.

Oh come on. We, humans are very anxious. Qurans may have some the scientific terms of that time, that maybe irrelevant at the time, however the inception of research had begun a long time ago, form which quran, tripitaka, bibal, vedas, and many other had written.

May be those books are the research of the people of that time who created stories through it, or stories are made by the misheard of people. In a Hindu's religious book 'Mahabharata' there's a character whose symptoms of disease are similar of that of HIV-AIDS.

Even in that book there's a term of sex change which is portrayed in their own style of curse and whatsoever.

Even the bible has talked about the relativity term but somehow seems irrelevent to us but finds to accurate more or less.

The books that we read nowadays that deals with the term relativity and other scientific terms maybe the book that would seem irrelevent to the next generation because at their time, they would discover more and more and may find even big bang thoery and relativity are useless and are waste of time as we look at the religious books now.

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i think science is no a religion at all but it cannot be separated from religion. every religion do believe on science. but science does not work some time in religion. so i like to say that science is a part of religion but religion is not a part of science.

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I wouldnt consider science as a religion at all. Science is not based on any imaginary entity. A scientist would search for facts and if the facts found supported the opposite of his/hers theory's then they would accept this. Religion on the other hand even with solid proof will still not change their belief . The only people that considor science as a religion would be religious people because they seem to beleive that everyone has to have some sort of belief system.

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Quote from: ausbit on June 29, 2016, 03:13:41 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on June 28, 2016, 06:18:01 PM

Quote from: Cresciuanto on June 28, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

my personal view is that science is not a religion, but all religions are science at all. if we speak about Islam. Being Muslim I have a little knowledge about Islam. for example in Islam Allah says that discover the world as it is for your benefits. so every thing that science is discovering today are present there in Holly Quran. you can really find the answer of any problem in Holly Quran.

Really? Point me to the chapter that explains cancer and its cures. Celiac disease, no? How about HIV? Hearing loss?

Gravitational waves? Theory of relativity, Maxwell equations? No? How about electricity? Heart pacemaker? Personal computers?
HTML coding styles? Internet protocols: SMTP, HTTP, NNTP, FTP? How about bitcoin? Show us where in Quran, Allah is explaining bitcoin!!!

Maybe DNA sequences of animals that Allah created? Black holes? Supernovas? Black matter?

Please be specific. Just list the chapters that cover the above topics.

Oh come on. We, humans are very anxious. Qurans may have some the scientific terms of that time, that maybe irrelevant at the time, however the inception of research had begun a long time ago, form which quran, tripitaka, bibal, vedas, and many other had written.

May be those books are the research of the people of that time who created stories through it, or stories are made by the misheard of people. In a Hindu's religious book 'Mahabharata' there's a character whose symptoms of disease are similar of that of HIV-AIDS.

Even in that book there's a term of sex change which is portrayed in their own style of curse and whatsoever.

Even the bible has talked about the relativity term but somehow seems irrelevent to us but finds to accurate more or less.

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Quote from: StingrayX on June 29, 2016, 06:43:28 AM

When i think aboabout the facts and not terms, i would think : why this separation between Religion & Science ?

NORMALLY, both exist for the good of Humanity... So, a brave religious follower shouldn't have a contradictory point of view with good aiming Sciences... Also, a brave Scientist can easily be in harmony with the religious values as they present a moral support for him to continue in his way.

BUT, Humans want to find excuses to avoid the obligations of fellowing the right way when it forbids them from getting a "dirty" benefit.
SO, when benefits become more important than values, both Religion & Science become just a "dirty" tool to control ignorant people who don't have enough knowledge to make a proofed decision OR those people who will share benefits.

AND SO, what's the difference between these two words and between any other word if their output is related to the Human's use or abuse Huh

No it doesn't go that way, people who believe in religion choose to react with it's daily living according to what's written in the teachings they had in a bood, like for example if they'd been teach to hate people that are 3rd sex then they will do because that's been taught on them. While people who use to believe in science will study first if it's acceptable to do those things or not, and will give a reason why it's not and why it is.

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Quote from: ausbit on June 29, 2016, 03:13:41 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on June 28, 2016, 06:18:01 PM

Quote from: Cresciuanto on June 28, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

my personal view is that science is not a religion, but all religions are science at all. if we speak about Islam. Being Muslim I have a little knowledge about Islam. for example in Islam Allah says that discover the world as it is for your benefits. so every thing that science is discovering today are present there in Holly Quran. you can really find the answer of any problem in Holly Quran.

Really? Point me to the chapter that explains cancer and its cures. Celiac disease, no? How about HIV? Hearing loss?

Gravitational waves? Theory of relativity, Maxwell equations? No? How about electricity? Heart pacemaker? Personal computers?
HTML coding styles? Internet protocols: SMTP, HTTP, NNTP, FTP? How about bitcoin? Show us where in Quran, Allah is explaining bitcoin!!!

Maybe DNA sequences of animals that Allah created? Black holes? Supernovas? Black matter?

Please be specific. Just list the chapters that cover the above topics.

Oh come on. We, humans are very anxious. Qurans may have some the scientific terms of that time, that maybe irrelevant at the time, however the inception of research had begun a long time ago, form which quran, tripitaka, bibal, vedas, and many other had written.

So don't give these blanket statements that Quran has all (or even some) the scientific answers. Quran was written by Allah (aka Muhammad scribes), they were 6th century warmongers, pirates of the land routes, ruthless killers and pedophiles. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't feel bad though, Christian God was a 1st century carpenter and 1500-2500 BC goat herders. So expect the same type of wisdom from the Bible as you have in Quran. Jewish God goes back even further, so expect even less civilized wisdom.

Arab world was a center of the scientific world before ISLAM took over. It cannot recover since then.

Science will advance our world without your Gods. Whether you like it or not.

God is irrelevant to science. Well, maybe psychiatric researchers might be interested in study religious delusions, but for the rest of science, God is not even a question.

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Quote from: Cresciuanto on June 29, 2016, 11:47:51 AM

Quote from: ardentvolcanoes on June 29, 2016, 11:06:54 AM

no it is not a religion . it is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. and religion is the belief in and worship of a God or gods.

yes it is a fact that science is not a religion. science is the practical experimental study of every thing. but science cannot be separated from Religion. all religions refers scientific study about the facts.

Science is religion if science theory is considered to be science, and is believed as truth.

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Quote from: ardentvolcanoes on June 29, 2016, 11:06:54 AM

no it is not a religion . it is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. and religion is the belief in and worship of a God or gods.

yes it is a fact that science is not a religion. science is the practical experimental study of every thing. but science cannot be separated from Religion. all religions refers scientific study about the facts.

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Quote from: ardentvolcanoes on June 29, 2016, 11:06:54 AM

no it is not a religion . it is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. and religion is the belief in and worship of a God or gods.

But after that is science theory, which is not known to be fact just like many people don't know if God is fact or not. When people believe science theory to be fact, they are making science a religion for themselves. Since this includes many of the major scientists, science has become a religion.

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no it is not a religion . it is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. and religion is the belief in and worship of a God or gods.

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Quote from: af_newbie on June 29, 2016, 08:09:54 AM

Quote from: ausbit on June 29, 2016, 03:13:41 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on June 28, 2016, 06:18:01 PM

Quote from: Cresciuanto on June 28, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

my personal view is that science is not a religion, but all religions are science at all. if we speak about Islam. Being Muslim I have a little knowledge about Islam. for example in Islam Allah says that discover the world as it is for your benefits. so every thing that science is discovering today are present there in Holly Quran. you can really find the answer of any problem in Holly Quran.

Really? Point me to the chapter that explains cancer and its cures. Celiac disease, no? How about HIV? Hearing loss?

Gravitational waves? Theory of relativity, Maxwell equations? No? How about electricity? Heart pacemaker? Personal computers?
HTML coding styles? Internet protocols: SMTP, HTTP, NNTP, FTP? How about bitcoin? Show us where in Quran, Allah is explaining bitcoin!!!

Maybe DNA sequences of animals that Allah created? Black holes? Supernovas? Black matter?

Please be specific. Just list the chapters that cover the above topics.

Oh come on. We, humans are very anxious. Qurans may have some the scientific terms of that time, that maybe irrelevant at the time, however the inception of research had begun a long time ago, form which quran, tripitaka, bibal, vedas, and many other had written.

So don't give these blanket statements that Quran has all (or even some) the scientific answers. Quran was written by Allah (aka Muhammad scribes), they were 6th century warmongers, pirates of the land routes, ruthless killers and pedophiles. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't feel bad though, Christian God was a 1st century carpenter and 1500-2500 BC goat herders. So expect the same type of wisdom from the Bible as you have in Quran. Jewish God goes back even further, so expect even less civilized wisdom.

Arab world was a center of the scientific world before ISLAM took over. It cannot recover since then.

Science will advance our world without your Gods. Whether you like it or not.

God is irrelevant to science. Well, maybe psychiatric researchers might be interested in study religious delusions, but for the rest of science, God is not even a question.

If you ask me. I think those claims on DaVinci code has a point somehow. How science and religion compliment each other not exactly contradict each other.

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When i think aboabout the facts and not terms, i would think : why this separation between Religion & Science ?

NORMALLY, both exist for the good of Humanity... So, a brave religious follower shouldn't have a contradictory point of view with good aiming Sciences... Also, a brave Scientist can easily be in harmony with the religious values as they present a moral support for him to continue in his way.

BUT, Humans want to find excuses to avoid the obligations of fellowing the right way when it forbids them from getting a "dirty" benefit.
SO, when benefits become more important than values, both Religion & Science become just a "dirty" tool to control ignorant people who don't have enough knowledge to make a proofed decision OR those people who will share benefits.

AND SO, what's the difference between these two words and between any other word if their output is related to the Human's use or abuse Huh

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Quote from: Cresciuanto on June 28, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

my personal view is that science is not a religion, but all religions are science at all. if we speak about Islam. Being Muslim I have a little knowledge about Islam. for example in Islam Allah says that discover the world as it is for your benefits. so every thing that science is discovering today are present there in Holly Quran. you can really find the answer of any problem in Holly Quran.

Really? Point me to the chapter that explains cancer and its cures. Celiac disease, no? How about HIV? Hearing loss?

Gravitational waves? Theory of relativity, Maxwell equations? No? How about electricity? Heart pacemaker? Personal computers?
HTML coding styles? Internet protocols: SMTP, HTTP, NNTP, FTP? How about bitcoin? Show us where in Quran, Allah is explaining bitcoin!!!

Maybe DNA sequences of animals that Allah created? Black holes? Supernovas? Black matter?

Please be specific. Just list the chapters that cover the above topics.

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Well IMO science is not a religion. Religion is a hypothesis that don't need proof for believing. Science though is hypothesis but it investigate first using scientific method.

Agree, religon is based thru faith which means believing without concrete evidence, you just need to believe that's all. Why science is based thru hypothesis where you gather data and being scrutinized before it will be accept as fact.

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Quote from: bitbunnny on March 31, 2016, 05:54:38 AM

Science is not a religion, in any way. Science is based on facts and researches and religion is based on beleiving without asking questions.

However, both science and religion based on some hypothesis that disproved with time by more strong hypothesis. By more strong hypothesis I mean the one which more strictly connected to the facts. But they both based on believing that facts they represented are the truth. By this way, religion is protoscience and science is criticism of the religion. Although both they have something common and they are not opposites, but science genetically succeeds religion as more accurate approach to reality. See "The Logic of Scientific Discovery" by Karl Popper, my friend.

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