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legendary
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January 23, 2017, 04:12:51 PM
Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context.

Where do you people get such ideas?

Science is about finding the truth via evidence & experimentation, and correctly predicting future results (like cosmic background radiation)

Religion is about telling stories which are bullshit, have zero scientific merit, and are not capable of predicting anything

You're not looking at it from a fundamental perspective.
 
Both religion and science are systems of belief/faith. You believe in science, you believe in God.
Getting on a plane and while not fully understanding how it all works, requires what would qualify as 'faith'. Taking a pill when ill, requires faith in science because you have no idea how the chemicals work.

Both science and religion are systems of reason. Religion is not random, it follows a logic.

Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.



we first describe what is science and what is religion. Science is basing on the fact and has its own experiment to prove something. conducting a scientific experiment is a good thing to prove something that has to be proven. while religion, some are true and science also proved that some of the saids in the bible was true but some is just cant proved. they just believe it by faith.

Same with science theory. Science theory is not known to be factual. If it were, it would be science law and not science theory.

Anyone who believes that science theory is factual has a science religion in that belief.

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Science theories are validated by a direct observation.  No belief is required.

When science theories are validated by direct observation, they become science laws. If they are not validated, they remain theories, because the observations shows that they are wrong, or because the observation is insufficient. Therefore, there are no science theories that are validated by direct observation... only science laws... because they were always science laws, and it is our weak observation that made us think that they were theories.

Theories like Big Bang and Black Hole are theories that will never be able to be validated by direct observation... BB because there never will be any certain observation of it, and BH because the observation is always tainted by its incompleteness or by other possible explanations for what is observed. Both should be relegated to the realm of non-theories.

Believing these theories and other theories like them to be true, when there is no way to tell if they are true, is religion.

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January 23, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context.

Where do you people get such ideas?

Science is about finding the truth via evidence & experimentation, and correctly predicting future results (like cosmic background radiation)

Religion is about telling stories which are bullshit, have zero scientific merit, and are not capable of predicting anything

You're not looking at it from a fundamental perspective.
 
Both religion and science are systems of belief/faith. You believe in science, you believe in God.
Getting on a plane and while not fully understanding how it all works, requires what would qualify as 'faith'. Taking a pill when ill, requires faith in science because you have no idea how the chemicals work.

Both science and religion are systems of reason. Religion is not random, it follows a logic.

Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.



Religion is a system that demands that you as a reasonble person give up/surrender your reasoning ability. This logic that religion follows is full blown shit.

legendary
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January 23, 2017, 02:56:38 PM
Parts of science venture into philosophy and hypothesis that can't be substantiated.

Hypothesis that can't be substantiated are similar to religion.

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legendary
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January 23, 2017, 03:55:01 AM
Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context.

Where do you people get such ideas?

Science is about finding the truth via evidence & experimentation, and correctly predicting future results (like cosmic background radiation)

Religion is about telling stories which are bullshit, have zero scientific merit, and are not capable of predicting anything

You're not looking at it from a fundamental perspective.
 
Both religion and science are systems of belief/faith. You believe in science, you believe in God.
Getting on a plane and while not fully understanding how it all works, requires what would qualify as 'faith'. Taking a pill when ill, requires faith in science because you have no idea how the chemicals work.

Both science and religion are systems of reason. Religion is not random, it follows a logic.

Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.



we first describe what is science and what is religion. Science is basing on the fact and has its own experiment to prove something. conducting a scientific experiment is a good thing to prove something that has to be proven. while religion, some are true and science also proved that some of the saids in the bible was true but some is just cant proved. they just believe it by faith.

Same with science theory. Science theory is not known to be factual. If it were, it would be science law and not science theory.

Anyone who believes that science theory is factual has a science religion in that belief.

Cool

Science theories are validated by a direct observation.  No belief is required.
legendary
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January 22, 2017, 11:00:21 PM
Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context.

Where do you people get such ideas?

Science is about finding the truth via evidence & experimentation, and correctly predicting future results (like cosmic background radiation)

Religion is about telling stories which are bullshit, have zero scientific merit, and are not capable of predicting anything

You're not looking at it from a fundamental perspective.
 
Both religion and science are systems of belief/faith. You believe in science, you believe in God.
Getting on a plane and while not fully understanding how it all works, requires what would qualify as 'faith'. Taking a pill when ill, requires faith in science because you have no idea how the chemicals work.

Both science and religion are systems of reason. Religion is not random, it follows a logic.

Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.



we first describe what is science and what is religion. Science is basing on the fact and has its own experiment to prove something. conducting a scientific experiment is a good thing to prove something that has to be proven. while religion, some are true and science also proved that some of the saids in the bible was true but some is just cant proved. they just believe it by faith.

Same with science theory. Science theory is not known to be factual. If it were, it would be science law and not science theory.

Anyone who believes that science theory is factual has a science religion in that belief.

Cool
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January 22, 2017, 09:55:32 PM
Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context.

Where do you people get such ideas?

Science is about finding the truth via evidence & experimentation, and correctly predicting future results (like cosmic background radiation)

Religion is about telling stories which are bullshit, have zero scientific merit, and are not capable of predicting anything

You're not looking at it from a fundamental perspective.
 
Both religion and science are systems of belief/faith. You believe in science, you believe in God.
Getting on a plane and while not fully understanding how it all works, requires what would qualify as 'faith'. Taking a pill when ill, requires faith in science because you have no idea how the chemicals work.

Both science and religion are systems of reason. Religion is not random, it follows a logic.

Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.



we first describe what is science and what is religion. Science is basing on the fact and has its own experiment to prove something. conducting a scientific experiment is a good thing to prove something that has to be proven. while religion, some are true and science also proved that some of the saids in the bible was true but some is just cant proved. they just believe it by faith.
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January 22, 2017, 09:50:51 PM
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.          

Do you smoke your weed before or after reading from your holy book?

From the nonsense you posted, I conclude you are a Muslim.

Eternal masterpiece?  Shoot, the weed you are smoking is gooood.

Our universe the most hostile environment to life that you could imagine.  

Mwahahahahaha!   Talk about smoking weed.

Hostile environment!? Hehehe. How many species of life are there on earth? Thousands, maybe millions. Even if we set off all our nukes at strategic locations, at least many forms of microbes and plant life, and probably some animal life, would survive.

Shoot, the weed you are smoking really IS gooood.

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Once life has started, it may be virtually impossible to kill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1LQgNnD9Q




its true that once a life has started, it may be virtually impossible to kill. but the word impossible is now having its other meaning. like the animals that is before their just extinct but now they are gone. they dont exist anymore. but other extinct animals was sheltered and taken care off thats why they  still exist.
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January 22, 2017, 09:46:46 PM
Just what other sayings, religion is like science. What are we going to believe on, or trust on? We see other believe on facts, but others believe on what Gods sayings. We see a lot of religious group, like science, a lot of theory and fictions to be believe on. We cannot say that all kind of religion is true.
legendary
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January 22, 2017, 08:39:22 PM
Science, itself, is not a religion. It only becomes a religion when people believe science theories to be fact, when the fact that they are theories shows that they are not fact. The people have the science religion. Science doesn't.

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January 22, 2017, 05:58:26 PM
Am in middle ages science and religion, were always together, because scienciest were mostly monks in that ages. Nowadays science has its own way and guess for some fanatics, who works on their researches 24/7, it is a religion -)
legendary
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January 22, 2017, 02:53:01 PM
It's quite weird actually, I came from a Catholic university in where we have our own researchers and scientists who believes in the theory of Bigbang but they are all Catholics. It kind of contradicts what they really believe in. But for me I think it will not hinder you in science if you have faith in God. As long as you are not offending any other religion I think that is what really matters and you got to stick in what you belive in the most.

It's normal for me, not weird at all.
After all, great scientists like Einstein or Newton, believed in God.
Why?
They researched all great mysteries of the universe and realized that something great and powerful is behind everything.
I think that Science and religion should work together because Science explains external, material world and Religion internal, spiritual world.
For example, when in Bible it's said that Earth is created in 6 days, it doesn't mean literally 6 days with 24 hours.
In other place is said: ''In the eye of God 1 days is like 1 000 years and 1 000 years like 1 day''.
6 days of creation van be 6 periods in God's creation.
Religion can explain internal meaning and purpose of creation and science external effects of created world.


^^^ Well, if you or I had to make all the stuff that God made in 1 day of creation, that day would seem like more than a quadrillion years to us.

That language is figurative, since it talks from both sides. All that it means is that God is far greater than we are... and different.

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legendary
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January 22, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
It's quite weird actually, I came from a Catholic university in where we have our own researchers and scientists who believes in the theory of Bigbang but they are all Catholics. It kind of contradicts what they really believe in. But for me I think it will not hinder you in science if you have faith in God. As long as you are not offending any other religion I think that is what really matters and you got to stick in what you belive in the most.

It's normal for me, not weird at all.
After all, great scientists like Einstein or Newton, believed in God.
Why?
They researched all great mysteries of the universe and realized that something great and powerful is behind everything.
I think that Science and religion should work together because Science explains external, material world and Religion internal, spiritual world.
For example, when in Bible it's said that Earth is created in 6 days, it doesn't mean literally 6 days with 24 hours.
In other place is said: ''In the eye of God 1 days is like 1 000 years and 1 000 years like 1 day''.
6 days of creation van be 6 periods in God's creation.
Religion can explain internal meaning and purpose of creation and science external effects of created world.


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January 22, 2017, 08:24:30 AM
It's quite weird actually, I came from a Catholic university in where we have our own researchers and scientists who believes in the theory of Bigbang but they are all Catholics. It kind of contradicts what they really believe in. But for me I think it will not hinder you in science if you have faith in God. As long as you are not offending any other religion I think that is what really matters and you got to stick in what you belive in the most.
legendary
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August 29, 2016, 06:25:35 AM
Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.



Aren't you proving his point? True that science isn't set in stone. It changes to accommodate the latest findings. But religion doesn't change. People and society might change and choose to ignore one part or another of their religion. Most people certainly do. But that's it. Religion is as useless to understand and change the world now as it was in the past.

Again, you're missing my point, it doesn't matter whether religion changes or not, they are both built on assumptions.


Saying they are both built on assumptions and expecting that to mean "Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context" doesn't make sense. Your own description of science shows you know the attitude of science and religion when assumptions are challenged is different.

Believe it or not religion is not as "useless" as a lot of modern people tend to think.
For all of its might, science has one fatal flaw (described at the end of my last comment). Mathematics, the very building block of science, breaks down when handling infinities. That's where religion steps in to fill in the gap, God being infinite and all. Science and religion complement each other., they define each other. The links I'm alluding to here are obscure but very real. Science couldn't survive without some form of religion to push against.

Don't know about that. What I see is old religious beliefs hiding where science hasn't reached yet. But it's not like religion is providing any vital information. Or directing scientific thought. It's all normal human curiosity and intelligence that can be used in a number of ways. Some more useful, some less.

Science theory is not known to be fact. If it were fact, it would be science law.

Often science theory is called fact by scientists and others in consensus. Things like Big Bang Theory, Black Hole Theory, E=MC2, Theory of Evolution (which should not even be classified as a theory, because evolution has been proven mathematically impossible), etc., are not known to be fact, yet are often treated as though they are fact.

What is the situation when you consider and advertise things to be factual, while at the same time you don't know that they are factual? Isn't this what religion does? Look up the definition of "religion" in all its aspects. It fits what science is doing regarding a lot of science theory.

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legendary
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August 29, 2016, 02:04:57 AM
Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.



Aren't you proving his point? True that science isn't set in stone. It changes to accommodate the latest findings. But religion doesn't change. People and society might change and choose to ignore one part or another of their religion. Most people certainly do. But that's it. Religion is as useless to understand and change the world now as it was in the past.

Again, you're missing my point, it doesn't matter whether religion changes or not, they are both built on assumptions.


Saying they are both built on assumptions and expecting that to mean "Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context" doesn't make sense. Your own description of science shows you know the attitude of science and religion when assumptions are challenged is different.

Believe it or not religion is not as "useless" as a lot of modern people tend to think.
For all of its might, science has one fatal flaw (described at the end of my last comment). Mathematics, the very building block of science, breaks down when handling infinities. That's where religion steps in to fill in the gap, God being infinite and all. Science and religion complement each other., they define each other. The links I'm alluding to here are obscure but very real. Science couldn't survive without some form of religion to push against.

Don't know about that. What I see is old religious beliefs hiding where science hasn't reached yet. But it's not like religion is providing any vital information. Or directing scientific thought. It's all normal human curiosity and intelligence that can be used in a number of ways. Some more useful, some less.
legendary
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August 29, 2016, 01:41:38 AM
Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.



Aren't you proving his point? True that science isn't set in stone. It changes to accommodate the latest findings. But religion doesn't change. People and society might change and choose to ignore one part or another of their religion. Most people certainly do. But that's it. Religion is as useless to understand and change the world now as it was in the past.

Again, you're missing my point, it doesn't matter whether religion changes or not, they are both built on assumptions.

Believe it or not religion is not as "useless" as a lot of modern people tend to think.
For all of its might, science has one fatal flaw (described at the end of my last comment). Mathematics, the very building block of science, breaks down when handling infinities. That's where religion steps in to fill in the gap, God being infinite and all. Science and religion complement each other., they define each other. The links I'm alluding to here are obscure but very real. Science couldn't survive without some form of religion to push against.
legendary
Activity: 1135
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August 29, 2016, 01:15:25 AM
Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.



Aren't you proving his point? True that science isn't set in stone. It changes to accommodate the latest findings. But religion doesn't change. People and society might change and choose to ignore one part or another of their religion. Most people certainly do. But that's it. Religion is as useless to understand and change the world now as it was in the past.
legendary
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August 29, 2016, 01:06:55 AM
Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context.

Where do you people get such ideas?

Science is about finding the truth via evidence & experimentation, and correctly predicting future results (like cosmic background radiation)

Religion is about telling stories which are bullshit, have zero scientific merit, and are not capable of predicting anything

You're not looking at it from a fundamental perspective.
 
Both religion and science are systems of belief/faith. You believe in science, you believe in God.
Getting on a plane and while not fully understanding how it all works, requires what would qualify as 'faith'. Taking a pill when ill, requires faith in science because you have no idea how the chemicals work.

Both science and religion are systems of reason. Religion is not random, it follows a logic.

Both science and religion rely on assumptions.
No experiment/test in science can ever be truly conclusive. You can perform a test a million times and get the exact same result every time but there is absolutely no guarantee that on the million and one attempt, you'll get the expected result. Since there is no way to test something infinitely, science assumes a particular result to be true after a finite number of tests. That is why nothing in science is set in stone, theories that were once thought to be complete can still be improved upon as more tests are performed and new findings are uncovered.

hero member
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August 29, 2016, 12:33:11 AM
Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context.

Where do you people get such ideas?

Science is about finding the truth via evidence & experimentation, and correctly predicting future results (like cosmic background radiation)

Religion is about telling stories which are bullshit, have zero scientific merit, and are not capable of predicting anything
legendary
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August 29, 2016, 12:31:36 AM
Science and religion are essentially one and the same thing and can be used interchangeably in any context. They are the two faces of the same coin.
One face being aware of the other is what gives rise to individual identities.
Basically, everyone has a unique personal balance of the two, that unique balance is what gives a person his/her unique identity.
No two person can ever experience the exact same balance.

For example:  balance1/person1: Science (77.8745%) - Religion (22.1255%).
It is possible for another person to outwardly appear to have to the same balance but only if a limit is set to the number of decimal places.
If no limit is set, then at some point, if you keep increasing decimal places, a divergence is guaranteed to occur. Hence unique identities.
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